I have a set of the non wrap around Hogues.
I don't like them as much as the factory grips.
The Hogue rubbers are thicker than factory. They are almost as wide as the decocker hump. I've never seen the wood ones, so I don't know if the rubber grips are any thinner.

I wouldn't mess with the wood unless you've had at least a little woodworking experience.

If I were you, I'd just sell the wood grips and buy a set of the rubbers to try.
I'll trade you my rubber grips for your wooden ones

Have you tried putting skateboard grip tape on the front strap? That made all the difference in the world to me.

1/30/2008 3:59:30 PM

if the hogues are thicker than stock, then i will just get a set of used stock grips.

i'll keep the wood if i ever want to sell the gun.

[Edited on January 30, 2008 at 11:53 PM. Reason : i'll try the grip tape suggestion]

1/30/2008 11:52:57 PM

I found the wood grips to be too big for me as well, as I have small hands. The stock grips however feel right at home

1/31/2008 8:39:59 AM

I love the factory grips, but HATE the decocker hump.
Adding skateboard grip tape to the front strap helps me get over the hump issue.
I would loooove to have a 225. It's like the 228 but single stacked, so it doesn't have a big hump.

1/31/2008 10:11:14 AM

I've got some Pachmeyer grips on my MkII if i recall correctly...could be Hogue

but as far as "should i sand them down or sell ...." just take it into a gun store and be like "i'm looking for some new grips" and see what they have, feel them for yourselves, etc

the only 'work' i'd recommend doing on grips would be if you have a rear stock safety like on an XD and you put a rubber grip over the stock you might need to cut a piece of rubber off the back so the grip safety can work...i definitely wouldnt sand down any wood grips though

[Edited on January 31, 2008 at 10:55 AM. Reason : .]

1/31/2008 10:54:14 AM

I have had hogues and pachmayrs for my 1911s, pachmayr is slimmer and firmer than hogue. pachmayr generally makes one with a thumbrest and one without. the ones without are or almost are factory thickness, generally.

1/31/2008 11:06:39 PM

I just found out that Hi-point makes 9mm, .40, .45 that cost $169.

I'm thinking about getting the 9mm or .45 if no one objects.

Car gun if you will.

[Edited on February 1, 2008 at 3:07 AM. Reason : At that price point, I can afford to keep them everywhere.]

2/1/2008 3:07:21 AM

i was going to say, shoot for that price you can have one in the car, nightstand, end table, kitchen, laundry room........ haven't heard much about them... who around here sells?

2/1/2008 6:42:45 AM

You mostly find Hi Points (not to be confused with the Brownign Hi Power) in cheaper gun stores and pawn shops.

I've fired one, a 380 ACP, and it worked.
The sights really sucked and the trigger sucked too, but it worked.
I've heard about some parts breakage, but I don't know what parts. Supposedly their pistol based carbines are fairly good guns.

I think they're one of the fugliest guns out there, but that's just my opinion.
It's be interesting to see if anyone has a Hi Point with high round count to see how they hold up.

2/1/2008 9:13:22 AM

so i have a yugo sks, and its not extracting the empty case. i shoot it once, and it jams. i have to kick the bolt back to get the case out.

i've cleaned/lubed it but it still does it. any ideas on what to check...or do i just need to take it to a gunsmith? (and which one)

2/1/2008 9:31:44 AM

Is the bolt cycling and the brass isn't coming out? Or, is the bolt not moving at all?

If the bolt moves but the brass doesn't come out then you need a new extractor and extractor spring.
If the bolt doesn't move then something's wrong with your gas system. Check to make sure it's completely clean, check if the piston rod is bent, check the gas port hole to make sure it isn't obstructed.

I hate the idea of bringing a gun to a gunsmith.
We should be able to fix 95% of our problems on our own, its just needs a lil figuring out.

2/1/2008 9:53:14 AM

it actually seems like the bolt seizes up or something...i can't really tell if the bolt moves at all after firing, but when i look at it after firing the bolt is locked in the forward position, and i have to put the stock on the ground and kick down on the bolt to get it to open up so i can pull out the case (or maybe it flies out, cant remember right now)

2/1/2008 10:50:01 AM

dp

2/1/2008 11:05:21 AM

If it's that hard to open the bolt then the bolt probably never cycled.

What kind of ammo?
Could be an ammo problem.

You said you cleaned and oiled the gun. Did you clean out the chamber really well?
If you chamber is real dirty then it can cause the brass to stick and will make it hard to open.
Tear the gun completely down and clean it real well. Get a nylon 40 cal bore brush, put some cleaning oil on it, and brush the chamber real well.
Put cleaning patches on the brush and brush the chamber til it's clean.
Check for a bent piston rod or any other damage to parts.
Lightly oil everything that moves (very lightly on the gas system) and put it all back together.

[Edited on February 1, 2008 at 1:19 PM. Reason : btw - I'll give you $100 for it. It doesn't work anyway ]

2/1/2008 1:16:39 PM

Hi Points are garbage. Dont bet your life on one working or even worse having one blow up in your hand.

2/1/2008 2:28:48 PM

Back to the reloading thing - I just got a .40 that I want to do some reloading for. Does it matter what dies you get? ie, Can I buy the cheap entry Lee setup and then get any kind of dies?

2/1/2008 3:28:06 PM

Almost all dies are threaded the same, but check to make sure before you buy.
Some brands of dies require using the manufacturer's shell holder.
Using all Lee products makes it easier.
There's nothing wrong with Lee dies as long as you're not trying to compete in benchrest rifle.
In handguns you can't tell the difference in die quality. In rifles you can, but I can still load ammo with Lee dies that shoots 3/4 inch at 100 yards in my 308Win.

For a basic setup I'd pick a LEE Classic Cast or Classic Turret press, a cheap balance scale, Lee Pro Auto Disc powder measure, and a LEE 4 die carbide 40S&W die set.
Their cheaper presses are flimsy. The Classic Cast and Classic turrets are built stronger than more expensive presses.

2/1/2008 4:25:06 PM

just make sure you dont get dillon dies if you dont have a dillon press

they only work with each other

2/1/2008 4:58:30 PM

Yeah, that's it.
Dillon's the odd ball.

2/1/2008 5:02:17 PM

yugo sks can also suffer from gas leaking around that cutoff for the launcher. I have one that does this. it will not cycle. the fix is a new valve, there are several on the market for $20 that will replace your worn one. if the bolt is tight you might have some case laquer in there, the steel case ammo has this. some of it is worse than others. clean it and see what happens. and look for soot all over the joint between the gas tube and the gas block. you might have two problems at once.

2/3/2008 10:41:45 PM

well ran the first couple hundred rounds through the P229, wow, I'm very impressed with it. Easy to shoot, great grip, rebounds to a great position, very manageable recoil. Even the wife became very comfortable with it. It was funny to see a group of 4 younger women come into the range and rent a gun and shoot... they were all taking pictures and shit... they seemed to have a good time. Also dialed in my P85 and ran a couple hundred rounds through it and it made me remember why I love that gun so much. I'm going to rent the 1911 the next time I go as I've never shot one... I'm almost afraid to as I'll want to pick on up. I am however going to try to talk myself into picking up one of the Mossburg 500's that they have there. Anybody got comments about that one?

2/3/2008 11:09:48 PM

Hey, I still take pics and video at the range


Mossberg 500s are great shotguns.
I have a 500 and a Remington 870 Express and both are great.
The 870 is milled a tiny bit cleaner and cycles a tiny bit smoother, but there's no real world difference between the two.
The ergos on the 500 are actually better imo and they come in 5+1 instead of the remington's 4+1. That makes it a little nicer for home defense, but you can't add capacity like you can with the 870.

What model 500s do they have? (barrel length, accessories, etc)

2/4/2008 12:02:11 AM

i wasn't meaning anything about them taking the pictures, it just reminded me of a bar scene rather than a range scene, but they were all pretty cool and said that they had never as much as held a gun before and they thought it'd be a fun thing to do on a saturday afternoon. It was pretty neat. I had meant to bring my camera but had forgot it at home.

I didn't look too much at what they had I just saw them on the wall and noticed the price. They were the 500 cruiser and i'm not sure if they had the 18.5 or the 20" barrel on them, retail was looking like in the 250-275 range. Shoot I didn't even pay attention to what gauge they were. I want to say they were the 6 shot 12ga. But I'd love to find this, just out of looks alone...

2/4/2008 12:36:13 AM

It needs a shoulder stock
You can shoot a shouldered shotgun much much more effectively than one with a pistol grip.
I don't think the 500 goes well with a pistol grip because the safety is on top of the reciever.
A rem 870, with its safety behind the trigger, would do much better with a pistol grip...but pistol grips still suck

That 500 still looks basass.
It's the tactical cruiser. You can add a mag extension to that one. It's actually more like a lightweight 590.
All the other 500 models have barrel lugs that screw onto the front of the mag tube. The 590 has a rem 870-like barrel lug and mag cap.

2/4/2008 2:03:57 AM

I have one of the 500s pictured above and I use it at work about once a week. Having said that I would seriously not recommend this weapon for home defense or anything like it. I don't use mine as an offensive weapon, it is more a tool to get a job done. When used in conjunction with a hard backstop, like a trauma plate it is controllable and usable but I don't see a need for it in civilian applications. however owning it because it looks cool, well it does look pretty cool.

2/4/2008 6:25:04 AM

Quote :

"It needs a shoulder stock"

yep, and ATI makes a nice telescoping one with a pistol grip for that gun

If you're here in Raleigh theres a place called Jims Guns where you can get a 500 persuader (8 shot,pistol grip, 20") for $250, or a tricked out 5 shot cruiser (18") for $300...comes with the ATI stock, shell holder, and the strap around the fore-end.

2/4/2008 6:48:21 AM

picked up my HK P30 from Jim's gun shop on saturday. I bought it online and he did the FFL for me. He has good prices overall and has a number of Ruger MIII and 22/45 pistols, AR-15s, and Mossbergs. He also does FFL for $20 which is a lot cheaper than any of the gun shops around here.

This gun is awesome. I don't really know if I want to shoot the walmart ammo through it though. What is anyone's experience in terms of how clean/consistant the Winchester white box 9mm 115gr 100 rnd value packs are, they are ~$15? What about the 100 rnd Remingonton JHP 115gr that they sell for ~$20?

2/4/2008 8:03:11 PM

like fumbler said earlier, THERE IS NOTHING WRONG with the ammo they sell at wal-mart. it's the same quality ammo like they would sell at dicks. i like both brands of ammo and use them reguarly. my 229 shoots them both perfectly. i used both the Rem JHP and the WWB target ammo and found them to be decently clean and feed well. i wouldn't use either of them as a self-defense round though.

did you happen to buy the p30 with the rear decocker? i'm still debating on whether or not to get one.

i'll probably go smaller though if the price is the same.

[Edited on February 4, 2008 at 8:24 PM. Reason : f]

2/4/2008 8:16:52 PM

Yup, doesn't matter where you buy it.

In 9mm, just about all the ammo from major manufacturers is relatively clean.
If you want real clean shooting ammo, then buy Winchester's WinClean or Remington's BEC (brass enclosed base). They're loaded with cleaner burning powders.
Honestly though, it makes no difference.
The extra powder residue doesn't harm the gun. You'd have to shoot many hundreds, maybe thousands, of rounds in one sitting before powder residue will gum up the action.
You'd be cleaning and oiling the gun more often than that. At least I hope so...you did drop $texas on an HK.

Ammo manufacturers make "clean" versions of their ammo is because some ranges have environmental concerns and will only let their customers shoot factory loaded "clean" ammo.

In the thousands and thousands of rounds of Winchester white box I've shot I've never had a dud.
It's always consistent with pretty good accuracy.
I've shot a few hundred, maybe a thousand, rounds each of cheap Remington and CCI Blazer Brass 9mm and have never had a problem with either of those brands.

Now, I will say that CCI Blazer Brass in 45ACP is messy. It spits flakes of powder residue all over your arms. Still, I haven't had an ammo malfunction with it, cheap Win, or cheap Rem.

[Edited on February 4, 2008 at 9:13 PM. Reason : BTW, I'm jealous. I always wanted a P2000]

2/4/2008 9:08:48 PM

does anyone carry the clean versions of winchester or remington locally? I have looked at davi's and dicks, and no one seems to be stocking much variety of ammo due to the price. does walmart ever have these?

2/4/2008 10:06:37 PM

i have used the walmart target ammo as well in both 9mm and .40, no problems ever and I have shot plenty through the 9 and the couple hundred through the .40 were all fine too... same stuff you buy elsewhere, just cheaper.

2/4/2008 10:18:13 PM

Walmart usually stocks WinClean in the common calibers. Sometimes they stock the Remington/UMC stuff (it's called "leadless")...Now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure they stopped carrying the Rem because I remember buying shittons of it on sale. They dont put stuff on sale unless it's the end of a season (handgun shooting doesn't have a season), they stop carrying it, or it's discontinued.

Gun stores usually don't carry a real wide range of cheap ammo.

Try Lawmen's.
I don't know if they have WinClean, but they stock Speer Lawman ammo. It's regular FMJ but it's typically cleaner than other bulk ammo. Speer also makes the Lawman Clean-Fire loaded with TMJ bullets (plated lead, not normal jacketted). That's one I've never tried, but it's probably real clean. I dunno if Lawmen's carries that.

2/4/2008 11:18:07 PM

http://www.ammoman.com

2/5/2008 8:09:40 PM

i want one.

also sig has their .22LR conversion for the 226.



is the sig 556 rifle worth it?

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helical bolt flutes? sweeet.



piston upper ar-15? sweeet.



.22lr knife gun? i want one.



[Edited on February 5, 2008 at 11:22 PM. Reason : a]

2/5/2008 11:16:32 PM

Quote :

"piston upper ar-15? sweeet."

http://www.lwrifles.com/

2/5/2008 11:24:01 PM

so. wolf ammo in a tin? ran across it on cabelas and its considerably cheaper than other brands, or even the other wolf rounds. is it worth trying it (9mm) since it only comes in 900 and up?

2/6/2008 12:27:03 AM

Wolf is fine.

I personally avoid it because I like to keep my brass for reloading.
Also, most Wolf is lacquer coated steel, meaning you get a lot of lacquer build up that can gum up your chamber or breech. For plinking that's no big deal...it just means a little more cleaning.
Wolf does make a plastic coated steel case now. I havent heard any feedback on that though.

^^^I personally don't think a 556 is worth the $texas considering ARs work just fine.
Now if they made them in 308...

The 226-22 is a cool idea. I wonder if it'd fit a 228/229.
As much as I'd like a conversion for my Sig or 1911 I just couldn't justify one. You can get a new 22 for the same price (or cheaper for a 22/45 or some Buckmarks) and have two guns instead of one and a half. Most semiauto 22s are more accurate than most conversion kits.

[Edited on February 6, 2008 at 2:03 AM. Reason : I wish the state paid me $texas . I still havent gotten my 2 yr raise that was due in sept]

2/6/2008 1:59:47 AM

http://www.gunsandammomag.com/ga_handguns/hkp30_082907/

Quote :

"I wonder if it'd fit a 228/229."

they are coming out with an kit for the 229. so sayeth the sig rep.

[Edited on February 6, 2008 at 2:10 AM. Reason : eh]

2/6/2008 2:07:43 AM

^ hrm... now there's a thought....

2/6/2008 6:22:22 AM

Wolf ammo is fine, just a bit dirty and I've found most of the 7.62x39 Wolf loadings are strictly mediocre in the accracy department, at best.
The 5.45x39 and .223 Wolf loadings (both bullet weights) is typically pretty accurate stuff.

After you shoot an assload of Wolf through an AK or SKS, your action is full of little metal shavings and that red cannalure/primer sealant stuff.

It's gotten aggrivatingly expensive though, I remember when Wolf was under $100 per 1k rounds in most calibers.
Oh, and whatever powder those cagey ass Russians use in almost all of their ammo stinks like hell and burns your eyes, sort of like Aguila .22LR.

[Edited on February 6, 2008 at 11:26 AM. Reason : b]

2/6/2008 11:25:25 AM

My only gripe with the Wolf ammo in the steel cases seem to shorten the life of the extractors. The lacquer is a pain to clean and I wos tolfd that the newer stuff is coated with something else, perhaps Teflon?

The Sig 556 is fantastic. Just know that when you buy one in comes with no sights.

2/6/2008 11:48:41 AM

http://www.nrahab.com/?p=1054

that's cool.

[Edited on February 6, 2008 at 2:46 PM. Reason : f]

2/6/2008 2:46:04 PM

.22LR unit for 226 available in 2 weeks, and 220/229 available in 5 weeks. Dealer pricing ~$250.


[Edited on February 6, 2008 at 3:19 PM. Reason : you're right, i might as well get another gun.]

2/6/2008 3:18:26 PM

Quote :

"Oh, and whatever powder those cagey ass Russians use in almost all of their ammo stinks like hell and burns your eyes, sort of like Aguila .22LR."

To me, it smells like pasta.

As far as the steel goes, I believe the alloy they use is much softer than extractors or barrels. I haven't seen much wear in my SKS, but then again, I haven't fired much more than 300 rounds through it.

2/6/2008 10:30:08 PM

so what about a holster. i dont have a concealment permit yet, so ill worry about that when i do, but for now what about a harder paddle holster with an adjustable angle. has anyone had any experience with fobus?

2/6/2008 10:32:30 PM

The Ruger LCP looks like a nice weapon. If the construction is as good as their other firearms, I have no reason to doubt its reliability. The mere fact they went through the engineering to make a reliable rear feeding subcompact pistol means that they probably fired thousands of rounds though the prototypes.

2/6/2008 10:36:19 PM

Quote :

".22LR unit for 226 available in 2 weeks, and 220/229 available in 5 weeks. Dealer pricing ~$250. "

Good, Then I can sell my Mosquito

2/6/2008 10:51:26 PM

Is it me, or does the SIG 556 look remarkably like a G3 or FAL except in .223?

2/6/2008 11:04:08 PM

Quote :

"The Ruger LCP looks like a nice weapon."

it's a direct kel-tec copy. kel-tec's are shitty guns, so i can only assume this is too.

Quote :

"Good, Then I can sell my Mosquito"

if the conversion kit isn't too expensive, i'll get it, but if those idiots at sig charge more than $300, they can screw themselves.

[Edited on February 7, 2008 at 12:49 AM. Reason : r]

2/7/2008 12:48:34 AM

set em up!

2/7/2008 8:55:36 AM