392 Suspended 2488 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "you missed the point" |
no I didn't
the similarity is obvious, as is the fact that I saw it, and from what I've posted in this thread
my opinion is that the risk coming from a responsible and qualified worker who might happen to do drugs
isn't great enough to justify a company bothering with drug testing job applicants
or employees with good job performance and no "issues" on the job
but that for insurance companies, the risk is substantial enough to take into account (for obvious reasons)
don't forget that I've pointed out that some companies are compelled to test by the government or ignorant bigotry
Quote : | "[being] in agreement with paying a higher [health insurance] premium for your drug use [is] a LOSER move" |
why is that a loser move?
I'm also in agreement with paying a higher premium on my auto insurance because of speeding tickets
iow, I'm honest and understand how the system works, even if I don't agree with all of it
Quote : | "Ive got 392 figured out. He posts the stupidest, most non-sensical thing he can think of, gets a rise out of the person he is debating with, then posts the next stupidest thing he can come up with to further skew the argument, preventing any rationale discourse" |
like I said about benz,
I challenge anyone (open-minded towards drugs,) to [re-]read the whole thread and come to that conclusion
Quote : | "he is now advocating cocaine use as being no big deal and 'recreational.'" |
when used responsibly, yes, it is
(as for myself, I don't like the high very much, so I don't do it but once every year or so)
Quote : | "Another perfect example of why weed will never be legalized...douches like this guy will just take the next 'step' in their drug use and claim it is harmless, much like they do now with weed." |
nice slippery slope there....
^^ ^^^
[Edited on November 29, 2007 at 5:35 PM. Reason : 8]11/29/2007 5:28:53 PM |
benz240 All American 4476 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "(as for myself, I don't like the high very much, so I don't do it but once every year or so)" |
and i'm sure you put that on your health insurance app. btw, that's falsification of information, and if they were to do a tox screen on you if you came to the hospital, and you were positive, you'd lose any reimbursement for the visit and would be bankrupt in about 10 seconds11/29/2007 5:33:22 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148450 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "because honesty is the best policy
if you have to lie to your employer, you should look elsewhere for work
unless you're ok with embracing the idea of yourself as a lying criminal, that is " |
yeah you'll have a lot better chance of getting a job if you're an honest criminal and if you come right out and admit the illegal drugs you regularly ingest]11/29/2007 5:35:13 PM |
392 Suspended 2488 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "and i'm sure you put that on your health insurance app" |
I did
^ that's what I'm saying
(again, not counting if the company is testing because the g0vt is compelling them to or because they're ignorant bigots)11/29/2007 5:41:47 PM |
benz240 All American 4476 Posts user info edit post |
11/29/2007 7:21:36 PM |
DROD900 All American 24658 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "WHAT YOU GOT IN YOUR BOOKBAG MAN?!?
I GOTTA SEE WHATS IN THAT BAG MAAAAAAAAAN" |
11/30/2007 8:37:08 AM |
Jeepin4x4 #Pack9 35774 Posts user info edit post |
^read the morning crew thread 11/30/2007 8:37:43 AM |
peakseeker All American 2900 Posts user info edit post |
well, they arent gonna tell you firsdt thing in teh morning, in case there is some "problem". Theyll wait till the end of the day though so you wont have to be shamed in front of all the others 11/30/2007 8:45:45 AM |
Jeepin4x4 #Pack9 35774 Posts user info edit post |
nah this company will tell us first thing. 11/30/2007 8:46:41 AM |
pilgrimshoes Suspended 63151 Posts user info edit post |
ive got 392 figured out
all he says is
ignorant bigots ignorant bigots ignorant bigots ignorant bigots ignorant bigots ignorant bigots ignorant bigots ignorant bigots ignorant bigots 11/30/2007 9:21:17 AM |
benz240 All American 4476 Posts user info edit post |
then why not put the same on your job app, if they were to ask for it? yet again you are missing the obvious, but i don't blame you - it's the drugs, man11/30/2007 9:26:54 AM |
392 Suspended 2488 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "all he says is
ignorant bigots" |
would you prefer "prejudiced ignoramuses"?
I'm just using the most accurate term appropriate for what I'm trying to express
It's not like I'm calling people "doo doo heads" or something...
Quote : | "then why not put the same on your job app, if they were to ask for it? " |
yeah, why not?
are you agreeing with me?
didn't you see my above post saying that you should disclose that kind of information before being tested?
or are you even reading the thread?
Quote : | "yet again you are missing the obvious, but i don't blame you - it's the drugs, man" |
quite obviously to anyone reading this thread, you are the one missing the obvious
and shit, apparently you don't even have drugs to blame -- you're just naturally stupid11/30/2007 9:41:26 AM |
benz240 All American 4476 Posts user info edit post |
then you should also be ok with getting tested. /thread 11/30/2007 9:57:05 AM |
392 Suspended 2488 Posts user info edit post |
^except that there is still no legitimate reason to test, so, no 11/30/2007 10:03:04 AM |
benz240 All American 4476 Posts user info edit post |
it's the same reason you use to justify writing about your drug use in your job apps. the same reason why you smoke weed and eat crack. no one will understand you man, just face it 11/30/2007 10:07:55 AM |
392 Suspended 2488 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "it's the same reason you use to justify writing about your drug use in your job apps" |
writing about drug use in a job application (or speaking about it at a job interview,)
is a voluntary act of disclosure that honest and responsible people may make
while a mandatory drug test is an act of compelled force to reveal private information about one's body chemistry
that the individual subject to testing is perfectly capable of disclosing in the first place
thereby not needing testing
thereby making the testing an untrusting act of investigative suspicion of actual guilt
very different
you are dumb11/30/2007 10:23:07 AM |
benz240 All American 4476 Posts user info edit post |
how many times
did you eat lead paint
as a child 11/30/2007 10:25:16 AM |
Jeepin4x4 #Pack9 35774 Posts user info edit post |
just found out the results havent even come in yet. so that sucks 11/30/2007 11:01:10 AM |
GREEN JAY All American 14180 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "btw, that's falsification of information, and if they were to do a tox screen on you if you came to the hospital, and you were positive, you'd lose any reimbursement for the visit and would be bankrupt in about 10 seconds " |
except they can only give you tests that you authorize. and the insurance company isn't privvy to the results of the test due to doctor patient confidentiality, they can only see that you had the test. i smoke pot sometimes and i told my doctor about it. its a fucking health thing. the doctor isn't going to turn you in for using drugs when all they do is hand out drugs11/30/2007 11:13:30 AM |
Jeepin4x4 #Pack9 35774 Posts user info edit post |
i wonder if i could call lapcorp and ask what my results were. or do they send it off to another company who then reports to us? 11/30/2007 12:04:01 PM |
Skwinkle burritotomyface 19447 Posts user info edit post |
Don't you think they would be suspicious about you being so eager to get the results? 11/30/2007 12:06:14 PM |
Quinn All American 16417 Posts user info edit post |
^
It doesnt change them so it shouldnt matter what they "feel" 11/30/2007 12:07:02 PM |
Jeepin4x4 #Pack9 35774 Posts user info edit post |
hahaha true 11/30/2007 12:07:38 PM |
furikuchan All American 687 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "writing about drug use in a job application (or speaking about it at a job interview,)
is a voluntary act of disclosure that honest and responsible people may make" |
So, if you were to openly disclose drug use at an interview or on a job application, and you were denied the job on that basis, is that legitimate, or discriminatory?11/30/2007 12:11:47 PM |
Str8BacardiL ************ 41754 Posts user info edit post |
Some of the logic in this thread baffles me.
Being honest on a job application will not help you at all unless you are trying to get a job with the Salvation Army or something. The rest of the business world wants employees who either do not have problems or do not bring their problems to work.
Listing how you casually smoke pot but think they should not worry about it because you are responsible is not going to help you get a job anywhere. Job applications are places to only list your best qualities and act ridiculously enthusiastic about working. Not a place to list what you do in your personal time. 11/30/2007 12:23:52 PM |
Wyloch All American 4244 Posts user info edit post |
Haven't read the whole thread, but I contend that industry comes into play.
I'm in the middle of the road as far as dividing personal life from work. But where I work, I fully support an even-less-than-zero tolerance policy. To work at a nuclear power plant you've got to be comfortable with a complete grilling of and invasion into your personal life upon hiring. And I'm fine with that. 11/30/2007 1:39:04 PM |
392 Suspended 2488 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "So, if you were to openly disclose drug use at an interview or on a job application, and you were denied the job on that basis, is that legitimate, or discriminatory?" |
both
it's legit because the company asked, and the question was voluntarily answered
(or the information was voluntarily disclosed without being asked)
but it's discriminatory (not illegally) in the sense that they are discriminating
you know? like the definition of the word "discriminate"
what wouldn't be legit is if they forced you to answer the question, should you not want to
but we're assuming that the applicant is honest, and preempts any question or test by voluntary disclosure
and besides, unless the employer volunteered the information, you wouldn't know why you were denied the job
Quote : | "Being honest on a job application will not help you at all unless you are trying to get a job with the Salvation Army or something." |
I never said it would be helpful in general, just the "right thing to do" morally
I mean, only a dumbass would think it wouldn't hurt their "chances" of employment in most large companies
Quote : | "The rest of the business world wants employees who....do not have problems" |
we're assuming the drug use is responsible, and therefore not a problem. remember?
Quote : | "Listing how you casually smoke pot but think[ing] they should not worry about it because you are responsible is not going to help you get a job anywhere." |
again, I never said it would
it just makes you an open and honest person who refuses to act like you're doing anything wrong, cause you aren't
[Edited on November 30, 2007 at 1:58 PM. Reason : ]11/30/2007 1:56:59 PM |
DROD900 All American 24658 Posts user info edit post |
MAKE IT STOP!!!!!!!!! 11/30/2007 1:57:52 PM |
392 Suspended 2488 Posts user info edit post |
20 PAGES!!!! 11/30/2007 1:59:20 PM |
zxappeal All American 26824 Posts user info edit post |
This is just my personal opinion, mind you...
But I think that you, 392, have wasted an awful lot of time and energy typing a bunch of entirely useless shit. You clearly have too much time on your hands. 11/30/2007 2:00:07 PM |
baonest All American 47902 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "drug use .. responsible" |
those two words just dont go together.
and yes, i mean illegal drugs
11/30/2007 2:00:40 PM |
Jeepin4x4 #Pack9 35774 Posts user info edit post |
GUISE! GUISE! I JUST WANT TO KEEP MY JOB. THAT IS ALL. 11/30/2007 2:02:06 PM |
quagmire02 All American 44225 Posts user info edit post |
^ not bad enough to quit teh drugz, apparently!!!1
11/30/2007 2:04:58 PM |
Str8BacardiL ************ 41754 Posts user info edit post |
http://www.careerbuilder.com 11/30/2007 2:09:50 PM |
ViolentMAW All American 4127 Posts user info edit post |
i can't even read this thread because of 392 11/30/2007 2:11:52 PM |
Str8BacardiL ************ 41754 Posts user info edit post |
does that user blocking thing still work? 11/30/2007 2:13:17 PM |
392 Suspended 2488 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "drug use .. responsible" |
Quote : | "those two words just dont go together.
and yes, i mean illegal drugs " |
gee, I've never heard that one before....
gun use .. responsible
vehicle use .. responsible
alcohol .. responsible
fireworks .. responsible
nice, try bigot
but guess what, you can use [illegal] drugs responsibly
if your loser [ex-]friends couldn't, that just means they're not responsible
get a clue
^^ why? did I spell something wrong?
or are you just a closed-minded bigot?
^ closed-minded closed-minded closed-minded closed-minded closed-minded closed-minded fuck you
[Edited on November 30, 2007 at 2:15 PM. Reason : n]11/30/2007 2:15:08 PM |
DROD900 All American 24658 Posts user info edit post |
11/30/2007 2:23:26 PM |
392 Suspended 2488 Posts user info edit post |
11/30/2007 2:24:43 PM |
Jeepin4x4 #Pack9 35774 Posts user info edit post |
if i fail im moving to johnson city tennessee 11/30/2007 2:30:25 PM |
BigMan157 no u 103354 Posts user info edit post |
sounds like a plan 11/30/2007 2:32:53 PM |
zxappeal All American 26824 Posts user info edit post |
Is Johnson City where all the folks with the big peckers live? 11/30/2007 2:34:26 PM |
Jeepin4x4 #Pack9 35774 Posts user info edit post |
its where the coolest bar ever is
http://www.electriccowboy.com/johnsoncity/ 11/30/2007 2:35:46 PM |
pwrstrkdf250 Suspended 60006 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "so, who wants to go party!" |
11/30/2007 2:37:44 PM |
baonest All American 47902 Posts user info edit post |
haha
drug use...responsible
haha
sure.
guns arent illegal
alcohol isnt illegal
vehicles arent illegal
fireworks arent illegal
drugs are.
and when they become legal. then i might change my mind
is bigot another word for fag0t?
[Edited on November 30, 2007 at 2:44 PM. Reason : lemme guess, speeding is also illegal. oh and so is having sex the wrong way, oh and littering] 11/30/2007 2:38:37 PM |
bbehe Burn it all down. 18402 Posts user info edit post |
Out of curiousity, if you do pass the drug test, what are you going to do?
Option 1: Woot, I can smoke all I want because they won't draw my name again
Option 2: Woot, I can smoke all I want because I beat the test
Option 3: Perhaps its time for me to drop a habit that I should have dropped in college. 11/30/2007 2:39:49 PM |
baonest All American 47902 Posts user info edit post |
oh no
392 will come in here.
better not reply
[Edited on November 30, 2007 at 2:40 PM. Reason : ] 11/30/2007 2:40:25 PM |
baonest All American 47902 Posts user info edit post |
hey guys i am a responsible murderer, i kill only bad people.
and a responsible drug dealer, i dont deal to little kids. 11/30/2007 2:47:50 PM |
Jeepin4x4 #Pack9 35774 Posts user info edit post |
^^^i dont smoke pot.
[Edited on November 30, 2007 at 2:49 PM. Reason : you people] 11/30/2007 2:49:40 PM |
Str8BacardiL ************ 41754 Posts user info edit post |
11/30/2007 2:51:34 PM |