^ moron,

The Iraqi's were being asked if we should leave now. Barack Obama says we should start leaving immediatley (his word) and be totally gone in 16 months (aside from a "small" contingent of troops of unknown number). They seem to be talking about the same thing, unless you suppose that the Iraqi's were suggesting we teleport our troops out of the country ala Star Trek.

Now, maybe in 16 months the Iraqis may be ready for us to leave. I hope they are. But that's exactly why we need to stay flexible on these things. Saying we will be out in 16 months, period (as Obama's camapign has said even though they're backing away from it now), is not very productive.

I agree with Obama v. 2006. Setting an artifical time-table for withdrawal impairs our abilities to help the Iraqis now and ties our hands in future. Maybe Obama v. 2009 will be more reasonable than the current version Obama Vista.

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7/21/2008 9:18:53 AM

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"unless you suppose that the Iraqi's were suggesting we teleport our troops out of the country ala Star Trek. "

We are talking about Obama here. Anything is possible.

7/21/2008 9:23:18 AM

al-Maliki <3's Obama

7/21/2008 9:50:21 AM

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"^ Don't put words in the Iraqi's mouths. This poll was conducted only in Feb, so the greatest gains from the surge had already been taken into account. That leads me to believe that the respondents are looking for a total end to the volence in Iraq, not just down to 80% of pre-surge levels as they currently are. Or are you just saying whatever it takes to get the conclusion you want? Iraq is going to shit, so we should leave. Or maybe it's going so good that we should leave?"

lol no offense, but like what is the end game scenario for you? because it sounds like you are saying if it goes well we should stay, and if it goes bad we should stay

7/21/2008 10:54:03 AM

^ my position is not the reverse of your position (apparently withdrawal no matter the circumstances). I think we have a responsibility to stay in Iraq until the Iraqi people have established a stable political power that can maintain security on its own. I would like to see an event-based time-line for withdrawal based on violence indicators and political progress.

If Iraqis want us out sooner, I would be happy to oblige. Indeed, I wouldn't mind it if the issue was put to a vote sometime next year (though I doubt that would ever happen).

Despite my opposition to invasion, my primary motivation for staying is that I believe we owe it to the Iraqi people, but I also believe that a secure and stable Iraqi is in our long-term security interests.

[Edited on July 21, 2008 at 11:35 AM. Reason : ``]

7/21/2008 11:30:50 AM

Monday, July 21.

7/21/2008 3:41:38 PM

^ you do realize that this only Obama's 2nd trip to Iraq since the invasion, yes?

"Silly old McCain, goofing off while Obama is in a war zone!!!" I wonder what Obama was doing during one of McCain's 8 trips to Iraq that was so important? E-mailing his BFF Scar-Johanson E! tells me. But now I'm sure you'll say that it really doesn't matter.

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7/21/2008 3:55:39 PM

7/21/2008 4:00:27 PM

thats racist.

7/21/2008 4:05:20 PM

Is there not a single decent graphic design person in all of right-wingdom?

7/21/2008 4:07:04 PM

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7/21/2008 4:15:08 PM

7/21/2008 4:16:46 PM

LOOK HOW TALL HE IS

HE'S PERFECT

7/21/2008 4:18:44 PM

Is there not a single decent politician in all of left-wingdom?

7/21/2008 4:19:17 PM

I think socks wishes he was back in Iowa during the primaries with his girl! lol.

So what, I've listened to the national anthem without my hand over my heart. OMG TERRORIST. If this was a pledge of allegience it'd be a different matter. This is old news.

7/21/2008 4:22:03 PM

holy christ you caught john mccain looking at his watch

alarm the lefties

7/21/2008 4:23:25 PM

Actually he was indeed asleep at that State of the Union address.

7/21/2008 4:29:03 PM

Actually Barack Obama is indeed a muslim. See?

7/21/2008 4:30:26 PM

Well shit...then that must mean that Bush is an ice wizard. Man, these politicans just aren't what they seem - can't trust them!

7/21/2008 4:34:02 PM

he was looking at his watch as far as im concerned .. not that it matters at all .. and he's not islamic

gg mccain

[Edited on July 21, 2008 at 4:35 PM. Reason : asdf]

7/21/2008 4:34:39 PM

Indeed! GG John McCain!

A Stronger Leader for a Stronger America!

7/21/2008 4:35:49 PM

HE'S GONNA EAT YOUR FACE.

7/21/2008 4:37:18 PM

OR







i think that answers itself

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7/21/2008 4:37:35 PM

the guy in the first pic doesn't look like he's going to last too much longer, i'd rather go for the happy black couple in the second pic, at least they're not interracial.

7/21/2008 4:39:30 PM

^ But they are muslim!



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7/21/2008 4:40:28 PM

7/21/2008 4:41:07 PM

lol. Sorry but you can catch that on video TKE, it's what really happened. Maybe he was dreaming of his rolex in his dreams, who knows?

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"A Stronger Leader for a Stronger America!"

Nice glamour shot socks. Did they use formaldehyde for that one?

7/21/2008 4:41:46 PM

i love how this thread is derailing. lol.

7/21/2008 4:44:36 PM

I don't seek the presidency on the presumption I'm blessed with such personal greatness that history has anointed me to save my country in its hour of need. I seek the office with the humility of a man who cannot forget my country saved me.

7/21/2008 4:45:22 PM

lol, all these old war pictures mean nothing in terms of how well he'd suit to take the presidency. Stop linking them...that was before any of us were born so it only makes him seem older dude.

Seeing you link them with zeal and gusto makes me laugh though, becuase that's the only the refuge or leverage you can dig up to give him some imperative to the presidency. Meanwhile America is going to shit and there's much more relevant issues here. That's why he'll lose this November.

7/21/2008 4:47:35 PM

J-J-J-John McCain, Rescue Ranger!

I wonder what he keeps in those cheeks? Lobbyist money?

7/21/2008 4:48:22 PM

Exactly, let's vote for McCain because he was tortured, not because of any of his platform?

If you're pimping him out on that line of thinking then he's a worthless candidate (which he is not, by the way). You should stop trying to promote him, you're actually detracting from him.

7/21/2008 4:48:42 PM

dont hate because while mccain was a pow, osama was leisurely supporting the chicago democratic machine

dont give me that nonsense you ungrateful piece of shit

7/21/2008 4:50:44 PM

AT LEAST HE HAS A PLATFORM

7/21/2008 4:51:25 PM

RESPECT HIS SERVICE

UNLESS HIS NAME IS JOHN KERRY, THEN MOCK IT

7/21/2008 4:52:55 PM

sorry frat boy, that doesn't compute to what constitutes a good president. the fact that you think so makes you an idiot.

7/21/2008 4:55:11 PM

we know everything about john mccain, dating back to his years at Annapolis all the way to his last term as senator


we dont know shit about obama's history, other than the scandelous background of socialist/marxist mentoring and vast links to the most corrupt political machine known to modern politics .. you dont even have a full term to back him up

SCANDELOUS

7/21/2008 4:58:03 PM

Here's what I know about John McCain's history at Annapolis

Finished fifth-to-last in his class, only graduated because his dad was an admiral, might have accidentally blown up his ship

7/21/2008 5:01:39 PM

did i mention

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"background of socialist/marxist mentoring and vast links to the most corrupt political machine known to modern politics"

7/21/2008 5:01:52 PM

Damn you're right he's Marxist

I guess that's why he's so close with Harpo Inc.

7/21/2008 5:03:25 PM

haha wow. Kainen started this little tizzy of irreverent propaganda posting and now demand we discuss the issues? hahah sorry.

John McCain has fought bravely for his country in Vietnam. As a US Senator he has led the way on important issues such as Global Warming, Immigration Reform, and Campaign Finance Reform. And as a candidate he proposes a revolutionary solution to America's Health Care problem, while Obama is spouting Democratic talking points from 1993.

JOHN MCCAIN A STRONG LEADER FOR A STRONGER AMERICA!!


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7/21/2008 5:04:36 PM

suspend

7/21/2008 5:06:00 PM

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""background of socialist/marxist mentoring and vast links to the most corrupt political machine known to modern politics""

7/21/2008 5:06:45 PM

^ you only wish AP.

7/21/2008 5:07:11 PM

suspend actionpants for being a moron

7/21/2008 5:07:27 PM

Electing a president isn't just about overriding suspician and fear dude.

Obama's been vetted as much as any presidential hopeful in the history of this country nearly, so what you know out there is all the dirt and shit that could have been slung at him. Partially because he's young and so charismatic, partially because he's the first minority candidate ever to be taking seriously for this. His middle name and ethnic background doesn't help him in the suspicion department.

I choose a president because of their stances for one but not just their platform - important are their intelligence, capability to tackle micro and macro-sized problems we face, versatility, and ability to understand what America needs with the correct context. Quite frankly, McCain has a huge and well known temper, doesn't like others to disagree with him with a short fuse, thinks he's right about everything, is slow, old, doesn't know how the internet works and admits he doesn't know the foggiest about computers....I mean shit. You are the president of America until 2012 and you are an idiot with computers and the internet. FUCKING SCARY.

7/21/2008 5:08:10 PM

^ deep issues "Obama is young and charismatic. McCain is old and bad with computers!"

7/21/2008 5:09:51 PM

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""background of socialist/marxist mentoring and vast links to the most corrupt political machine known to modern politics""

7/21/2008 5:10:02 PM

goddamit socks, your picture size of the mcsame just ruined the boarders of this thread. DOWNSIZE

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7/21/2008 5:10:10 PM

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7/21/2008 5:10:58 PM