^^It's because the HIGHEST POSSIBLE score is 7.9 for Win7. 5.9 was the highest possible score for Vista AFAIK.

What those numbers mean is that either card will deliver the maximum possible graphical experience in Windows 7. Windows perf index is not a benchmarking application, it's a way to see the overall capabilities of your system as it pertains to windows. And the reason they get the same gaming graphics score is because they use the same core, so they have the same feature capabilities for gaming.

^RAID arrays and SSD scores much higher. And multi-cpu + multi-core setups will max out the processor. memory is maxed out by speed + amount (16gb if I recall correctly)

1/24/2009 9:30:01 PM

yea, i realize it's not a benchmarking tool, but a single-core gpu vs. a dual-gpu card? same score? does windows not benefit by multi-gpu's? is it only based on features/core alone? i mean cpu is higher because of more cores, why isn't that a factor in graphics? also a 7,200rpm hard vs. a 10,000rpm hard drive, again no difference?

anyhow, it's not important, just wish they'd tell us how they calculate it, fwiw, it never made sense in Vista either.

[Edited on January 24, 2009 at 9:38 PM. Reason : .]

1/24/2009 9:37:16 PM

i wonder how it will do with my laptop.

hmmmm.

1/24/2009 9:45:19 PM

Quote :

"Processor Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T7500 @ 2.20GHz 5.5 5.0 Memory (RAM) 2.00 GB 5.5 Graphics NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT 5.7 Gaming graphics 887 MB Total available graphics memory 5.0 Primary hard disk 12GB Free (68GB Total) 5.2 "

macbook pro..

1/24/2009 10:45:48 PM

Quote :

"does windows not benefit by multi-gpu's?"

is that a joke

1/25/2009 12:00:18 AM

clearly i was talking about gaming in windows since both got a 7.9 in aero experience, why did both get 6.0 in gaming in windows when clearly there's a difference in games between the 8800 and the 9800GX2

1/25/2009 1:47:07 AM

I'd imagine it's a shortcoming of the perf tool. I very highly doubt that it even has the ability to recognize single versus multi gpu cards... since there are only a handful of them

1/25/2009 2:01:50 AM

ah, but you forget about SLI/Crossfire

1/25/2009 2:15:44 AM

There is no reason they can't tell us nerds the actual score. Why must they sugar-coat it and cap the actual number they determine?

*sigh* They never learn.

1/25/2009 3:03:59 AM

Quote :

"NOD32 64bit is working fine for me. "

anybody tried the 32bit one? I should have installed 64bit of windows 7 but didn't for whatever dumbass reason and I don't have time right now to change it.. I can't get NOD32 32bit to install, it just gives the installer error as soon as I launch it. I tried the compatibility mode crap and that didn't help any.

Symantec's antivirus for windows 7 is a fat bloated cow so that's not an option as far as I'm concerned.. I'm trying AVG's version now

1/26/2009 10:14:50 AM

the pandora sidebar app doesn't seem to work on windows 7

1/26/2009 10:23:32 AM

http://blog.pandora.com/faq/#1369

not sure how to fix this in 7, but i haven't done much research.

[Edited on January 26, 2009 at 10:33 AM. Reason : .]

1/26/2009 10:33:17 AM

Quote :

"ah, but you forget about SLI/Crossfire"

I haven't seen anyone post a sli/crossfire configuration score yet. But that is different than a multi-gpu card.

1/26/2009 12:56:24 PM

so regarding the pandora gadget. Seems that the sidebar app is still the thing that runs the gadgets, its just not a sidebar anymore.

Kill sidebar.exe if its running
run c:\program files(x86)\windows sidebar\sidebar.exe
add the pandora gadget.

again the fault is with flash, not windows or pandora.

1/26/2009 2:49:45 PM

x86? I have 32bit

1/26/2009 2:56:10 PM

oh. Do you have flash installed?

in IE 8?

[Edited on January 26, 2009 at 3:00 PM. Reason : a]

1/26/2009 3:00:00 PM

Quote :

"I haven't seen anyone post a sli/crossfire configuration score yet. But that is different than a multi-gpu card."

well my point was, in the "gaming" category under windows, there's a drastic difference between single-core gpu's and single-core gpu's, just like a single card vs. SLI/Crossfire. if it recognizes one difference they should recognize the other difference, since both make a huge impact in the gaming category... anyhow just blabbing about it, just a discrepancy, not worried about it. i know how my rig performs in reality.

[Edited on January 26, 2009 at 3:11 PM. Reason : .]

1/26/2009 3:10:44 PM

^maybe you have already, but if not, definitely submit that as feedback. You have a very valid point and it's one of those things that the team may not even have thought about.

1/26/2009 4:11:05 PM

Quote :

"there's a drastic difference between single-core gpu's and single-core gpu's"

Actually, there isn't. lol

1/26/2009 4:48:28 PM

yea, typo, my bad, meant multi-gpu

1/26/2009 5:10:00 PM

http://blogs.chron.com/techblog/archives/2009/01/5_things_you_need_to_know_about_windows_7.html

-Think i'm going to try it on my netbook.

[Edited on January 27, 2009 at 3:39 PM. Reason : .]

1/27/2009 3:36:56 PM

WHY DOES WINDOWS 7 PUT MY FUCKING COMPUTER TO SLEEP EVEN THOUGH I TELL IT NEVER TO IN THE POWER SETTINGS?

1/29/2009 9:01:36 PM

I've had Windows 7 freeze solid on my 2x now. Once randomly while surfing the web, and once while using a USB serial adapter.

1/29/2009 9:09:57 PM

I've had that happen a few times lately as well. Weird though, everything locks, including the pointer, but any audio that was playing continues. If a video is playing, the audio continues, video freezes.

1/30/2009 11:21:43 AM

same thing happening to me.. happened 4 times this morning while in acrobat pro making a form..

well, maybe a little different..for me both of my monitors just go black and nothing will work. last time i got the BSOD to come up finally but usually it just goes black and i have to hold down power until it cuts off

1/30/2009 12:00:55 PM

just a suggestion, if you are running beta video drivers, roll them back to whatever the last WHQL Vista driver was.

I have nothing to support it, but rumblings of "why are people running beta drivers on a beta os" are circulating. If you are running the out-of-the-box video drivers, then I guess you're just fucked

Oh, also, Quicktime seems to cause quite a few graphical glitches (especially when using iTunes as the media player)

1/30/2009 1:38:28 PM

http://www.tgdaily.com/html_tmp/content-view-41263-108.html

Quote :

"Windows 7 beta UAC completely vulnerable to malware An almost unbelievable flaw in Windows 7 beta and Microsoft's User Account Control (UAC) feature - the one designed to keep all of the annoying messages seen in Vista away from its users - allows its protection to be defeated by any malware which happens to infect the system. The malware needs only to send a series of false keystrokes from a Visual Basic script to activate the UAC dialog, move the slider bar to the disable position, and then save the changes. After that, the program can access protected functions or even reboot the system, thereby gaining full total system access on restart."

1/30/2009 3:48:07 PM

Microsoft official hints at April for Windows 7 RC release
http://www.neowin.net/news/main/09/01/30/microsoft-official-hints-at-april-for-windows-7-rc-release

Quote :

"The blog also hints at a RTM and business launch of Q3 2009. According to the blog Michael Bohlin, a Windows product manager, was questioned over Windows 7 availability. The blogger also states "the cut of all internal guesses here in the office right now is October 3 at 11.10" for the RTM date. Windows chief Steven Sinofsky posted a blog entry today to put to rest any rumours of a beta 2 for Windows 7 and confirm the next release will be the near final release candidate."

1/30/2009 9:15:39 PM

WHY DOES WINDOWS 7 PUT MY FUCKING COMPUTER TO SLEEP EVEN THOUGH I TELL IT NEVER TO IN THE POWER SETTINGS?

1/31/2009 11:25:58 AM

Another issue I had once is with Firefox. I'd have a yotube playing in a background tab, and after closing the tab, the youtube audio kept playing.

1/31/2009 11:28:59 AM

I have that issue with firefox 3.1 beta 2 on vista sometimes, don't think it's a windows 7 thing.

1/31/2009 12:12:57 PM

i have two codes, one of which i haven't used yet. it'll still work anytime during the duration of the beta correct?

1/31/2009 2:47:30 PM

CD Keys never expire.

1/31/2009 3:06:42 PM

This is directly from MS:

Quote :

"By now, we hope that you have installed and activated the Windows® 7 Beta. Remember that you need to activate the product within 30 days or you will experience reduced functionality."

What dat mean?

1/31/2009 9:37:11 PM

that means after you install it, you need to activate it. different than a cd key

1/31/2009 10:46:30 PM

oh damn, what a dumbass. i guess they don't speak engrish where i'm from.

[Edited on January 31, 2009 at 11:25 PM. Reason : also, my critical reading skillz, not so much.]

1/31/2009 11:24:40 PM

wow. Fuck Microsoft. Any good will I had towards this product just flew out the window with this announcement.

http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/03/windows-7-skus-announced-yes-your-worst-nightmare-has-come-to/

Quote :

"# Windows 7 Starter (limited to three apps concurrently) # Windows 7 Home Basic (for emerging markets) # Windows 7 Home Premium (adds Aero, Touch, Media Center) # Windows 7 Professional (Remote Desktop host, Mobility Center, Presentation mode) # Windows 7 Enterprise (volume license only, boot from virtual drive, BitLocker) # Windows 7 Ultimate (limited availability, includes everything)"

3 concurrent apps? That shit better be free.

2/3/2009 4:29:37 PM

duuuude.

Starter Edition is for OEM only.

everyone's upset about SIX versions, when in reality there's only THREE that will be in RETAIL channels:

# Windows 7 Home Premium
# Windows 7 Professional
# Windows 7 Ultimate

the rest are for customized solutions... i actually think that it's a misprint, as with Vista, Starter Edition was for emerging markets, and Home Basic was for OEM

[Edited on February 3, 2009 at 4:39 PM. Reason : .]

2/3/2009 4:34:13 PM

That's still bullshit. "Oh here's a crippled OS. If you want to do anything at all with it you can enter your credit card here and upgrade for the low low price of $199"

Fuck that.

2/3/2009 4:36:29 PM

yea, but considering it's OEM only, chances are people aren't going to buy it. if they do, they'll probably have this girls problems (/message_topic.aspx?topic=555284)

2/3/2009 4:43:57 PM

None of us will ever see Starter or Home Basic in the US.

The reason they offer these is in 3rd world countries, it provides an affordable solution. They cannot afford to pay the license cost for Premium versions, and Microsoft cannot just cut the cost of certain SKUs to emerging markets because of ANTITRUST regulations. If you want to blame someone for crippled SKUs blame the European Union.

The only options you are going to see in the US are the ones Prospero points out. And the only real "decision" for consumers purchasing OEM PC's is going to be between Home Premium or Pro. Ultimate is pretty much going to be a retail-only deal.

2/3/2009 5:49:29 PM

Second Windows 7 beta UAC security flaw: malware can silently self-elevate with default UAC policy
http://www.istartedsomething.com/20090204/second-windows-7-uac-flaw-malware-self-elevate/

Quote :

"Important: The advice to every Windows 7 beta user is to set your UAC setting to “high”. This will make sure granting privileges are only in the control of your own mouse clicks and should prevent a malicious application from exploiting this and the previous flaw. Again, the balance between usability and security comes under the spotlight. In Microsoft’s defense, some people have also argued UAC is not a “security boundary”, a vague term in my books. I argue because UAC is designed to enforce privileges (processes cannot jump to any privilege they want) and control privileges (prompts for privilege changes) it is a security feature. If a security feature can be maliciously and silently bypassed or turned off, I would consider that a security flaw."

[Edited on February 4, 2009 at 2:09 PM. Reason : ,]

2/4/2009 2:07:45 PM

I'm having some really weird things happen when unplugging/plugging back in my monitor on my laptop.. the taskbar basically ends up empty no matter what I have open. I can alt+tab and after I select a program that way it re-appears on the taskbar. Having to do that for every program with as many as I keep open is pretty annoying. Has happened twice today when I took my laptop to a meeting then plugged it back in when I got back..

2/4/2009 2:49:51 PM

My Windows 7 will not come up. I ran my XP dual-boot a few times and now 7 will try to run and goes into autorecovery mode and then.....nothing. It says it can't run. WTF!

2/8/2009 9:00:03 PM

Quote :

"Prospero"

http://i.gizmodo.com/5147989/microsoft-admits-defeat-will-patch-windows-7-security-hole

Quote :

"ScHpEnXeL"

so do you press windows+p to access multi monitor on your desktop?

hasn't happened to me, but i'd send in a feedback.

Quote :

"Nighthawk"

had that happen on my first install on the laptop. can't explain it. now running vista 64 and windows 7 dual boot. seems to work fine.

2/8/2009 10:27:40 PM

Quote :

"so do you press windows+p to access multi monitor on your desktop? hasn't happened to me, but i'd send in a feedback."

i haven't used windows+P. i just plug it in and it remembers my settings as far as making it an extended desktop, etc. i dunno why it does that with the icons. i'll submit it though tomorrow.

2/8/2009 10:30:36 PM

anyone having a problem opening torrent files in firefox?

won't associate in the applications under - tools/options/applications.

no way to manually associate like past versions of firefox.

any suggestions?

works fine for vista and IE8 in w7.

2/9/2009 2:14:33 AM

^^Happens to me with resume from hibernate, and when I plug in an external display. It's a known issue, but definitely submit it.

2/9/2009 2:36:57 PM

what's with this 3 apps limit for netbooks version? is it gonna be like a dirt cheap version of the OS?

2/9/2009 4:27:22 PM

there isn't a "netbooks" version. Theres a poor country version with the 3 app limit. All versions have the netbook friendly stuff.

2/9/2009 4:28:44 PM