I actually dont think Pittsburgh is a good team, no

And according to those ratings, NC State is 73rd...below Duke (and William & Mary)

So pick one. Either we're a worse team than Duke or we lost to a terrible Duke team. Regardless, TOB better get his ass in gear

[Edited on October 14, 2009 at 11:25 PM. Reason : ]

10/14/2009 11:25:10 PM

this season for me has gone from.. hmm. what if we win 8 or 9 games

to.. yeh let's just win enough to get to a bowl game

to.. waaaaaaaaaat

10/15/2009 11:01:39 AM

Here we go....

10/17/2009 6:43:02 PM

He's still credible right now. If Archer is still the DC on Dec. 1st then I will begin questioning.

10/17/2009 6:44:43 PM

paul johnson
cutcliffe?

10/17/2009 6:45:37 PM

Quote :

"He's still credible right now. If Archer is still the DC on Dec. 1st October 18th then I will begin questioning. "

10/17/2009 6:46:48 PM

god i wish we could get rid of him and then write Tommy Tuberville a blank check.

10/17/2009 6:48:31 PM

amen beer. Oct 18th at the latest. Grow some balls TOB....Grow some damn balls......

10/17/2009 7:05:51 PM

he's gonna drive this team into the ground because he doesn't want to get rid of his friend

10/17/2009 7:08:21 PM

at least make archer do pushups for points everytime the other team scores on his defense.

10/17/2009 7:09:23 PM

I have lost some of my faith in TOB

I never thought I would say that.

10/17/2009 7:09:41 PM

TOB is a military man. I agree. For every loss, I want to see HIM do sprints.

10/17/2009 7:11:35 PM

I don't think there is much chance of getting rid of Archer in the middle of the season. It would be impossible to get a quality candidate to replace him right now.

10/17/2009 7:13:51 PM

^ Agreed.

But, for the end of the season, join the cause

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=155934968838&ref=nf

10/17/2009 7:15:00 PM

we don't need a mid-season replacement. nobody would be better than archer

10/17/2009 7:15:34 PM

http://www.wolfpackclubtravel.com/nc-state-football/wolfpack-ireland-trip.php

10/17/2009 7:16:06 PM

^^^^Quality candidate? We just need a "slightly above terrible" replacement. Anyone would be better than Archer. Who's a hire that would be worse? Would his replacement let our opponents score 70 points per game?

[Edited on October 17, 2009 at 7:20 PM. Reason : -]

10/17/2009 7:20:43 PM

i've never hated being so right before.


and the sad thing is some people are going to defend tob just for the sake of.

archers bad but its still tom obriens team. Its not like our offense is unstopable either...The only way we ever win is if the other team loses or RW pulls God-mode.

10/17/2009 7:25:34 PM

Quote :

" It would be impossible to get a quality candidate to replace him right now."

A drunken bum with autism could do a better job than Archer.

10/17/2009 7:42:17 PM

Quote :

"I actually dont think Pittsburgh is a good team, no And according to those ratings, NC State is 73rd...below Duke (and William & Mary) So pick one. Either we're a worse team than Duke or we lost to a terrible Duke team. Regardless, TOB better get his ass in gear"

10/17/2009 8:43:30 PM

[quote]this season for me has gone from.. hmm. what if we win 8 or 9 games

to.. yeh let's just win enough to get to a bowl game

to.. waaaaaaaaaat[quote]

to... where is the switch to turn off sports at this sad excuse for a college.

10/17/2009 9:14:20 PM

what hurts the most is the fact that we've played such an incredibly weak schedule. If we had a tough schedule like Miami we could at least say "well the schedule was impossible" but we've played 5 very shitty teams thus far and 2 pretty decent teams. we have one more non-shitty team left on our schedule. There was no excuse for more than 4 losses coming into the season. Now it looks like we might not get more than 4 wins.

10/17/2009 9:26:12 PM

still regressing

"pack your bags! pack your bags! we don't wantcha!"

TOB's all time record:

TOB All-Time Versus Temple, Rutgers, UConn, I-AA Schools, and any non-BCS program other than BYU or Boise State:
46 Wins
5 Losses

TOB All-Time Versus All Other Schools:
50 Wins
67 Losses

Tom O’Brien all-time against the AP Top 25:
12 wins
29 losses

Tom O’Brien all-time against teams that finished the season in the AP Top 25:
4 wins
27 losses

[Edited on October 17, 2009 at 10:42 PM. Reason : .]

10/17/2009 10:40:43 PM

I'd almost rather suck asshole than just eek by a 5-6 or 6-5 season though, at least at prompts change.

Obama should be our coach. I mean the fucking guy watched a college football game and won the heisman.

10/17/2009 11:24:07 PM

TOB got his ass fucking handed to him by a first year coach today. Some no named asshole ran for nearly 300 yards and scored 5 TDs on us? Fuck me running.

10/17/2009 11:27:12 PM

It will all come down to the UNC game. I'm convinced.

10/17/2009 11:45:03 PM

^^^^ damn

10/17/2009 11:46:31 PM

Folks on PP making the case that amato was better than TOB


Largest Margin of Loss since start of 2000 season:
1) 44, 58-14 loss to FSU in 2000 (Amato)*** National champions
2) 37, 37-0 loss to Maryland in 2007 (TOB)
3) 34, 34-0 loss to South Carolina in 2008 (TOB)
4) 32, 52-20 loss to BC on Saturday (TOB)
5) 31, 41-10 loss to S. Florida in 2008 (TOB)


Amato failed to recruit QB, OL, and assistants who could stay. During rivers, he had some damn good offensive players.

10/17/2009 11:51:29 PM

I wonder what Chuck would've done with RW.

10/18/2009 12:33:34 AM

oh right, he did recruit a good QB in wilson.

10/18/2009 12:38:21 AM

:yawn:

10/18/2009 12:41:33 AM

Can we bump my TOB = Herb thread?

10/18/2009 2:04:34 AM

O'Brien not fazed by losing
Oct 18, 2009

http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/story/146822.html

I think we've pinpointed a big part of the problem. Can we just clean house already?

All those who support canning O'Brien, Fowler, and much of the Athletics Department leadership post aye.

10/18/2009 6:15:49 AM

http://raleigh.craigslist.org/spo/1426210259.html

10/18/2009 7:09:15 AM

^^That makes me very worried that we're not considering firing Mike Archer.

10/18/2009 7:50:10 AM

Quote :

"WORSE THAN AMATO"

10/18/2009 7:54:34 AM

Quote :

"Folks on PP making the case that amato was better than TOB"

Aren't these the same people that got Amato run outta here?

grass is always greener on the other side

10/18/2009 9:38:00 AM

On defense, I don't even know what to say. The fact that our DBs stay ten yards off the WR's on a 4th and short show just how incompetent the staff on that side of the ball is.


I understand that its the coordinator, but lets see who hired the coordinator...

getting close to not credible as every week passes.

10/18/2009 9:52:39 AM

You guys are just being ridiculous. This guy came here with absolutely nothing and he's done a good job moving us in the right direction.

Our defense just absolutely blows this year and we will get a new coordinator to fix that.

There is no way anyone can argue this guy is worse than Amato with a straight face.

Remember the time we were down by a touchdown to VT and Amato kicked a FG to cover the spread instead of trying to win the game? That guy was unbelievable

10/18/2009 12:13:21 PM

^ x 7

That's just another shitty Tysiac article with a deliberately incendiary title.

Quote :

"[...]a reporter told O'Brien that he had received e-mail during the game critical of the coach. "I can't be concerned with that," O'Brien said. "I've got to be concerned with coaching the football team.""

What the fuck else is TOB supposed to say?

Are sports writers so lazy now they don't even bother to come up with their own questions? "Hey coach, can you answer these emails I got?"

[Edited on October 18, 2009 at 12:19 PM. Reason : ]

10/18/2009 12:19:13 PM

Oh fuck, who told hooksaw about sports talk

10/18/2009 12:25:32 PM

Quote :

" This guy came here with absolutely nothing and he's done a good job moving us in the right direction."

All those nfl guys like pressley, young, morgan, irving, brown, and really good college players like our whole dline, michel, johnson, sutton, neal, eugene, baker, spencer, bowens, williams is much more than nothing. Not only was he left with nfl talent, he was left with a lot of good talent all around. Maybe everywhere except oline. We were picked as a sleeper to win the conference his first year because of the honeymoon effect with all the talent we had and this year because we brought back lots of talent and the best qb. Then you guys always say the experts know nothing. well how is it that a bunch of guys on here know more about football than the experts? why should I take your word over professionals? or even bc fans?

Quote :

"Our defense just absolutely blows this year and we will get a new coordinator to fix that."

Even if our defense did actually suck people wise, we still should be able to find a way to stop duke, bc or wake. A staff can't concede early in the season that our defense sucks and we'll fix it next year. Adjustments have to be made during the season. All the blame can't be placed on the coordinator either. If a head coach has absolutly nothing to do with half of the game then he is a terrible head coach anyway.

Thats like if the economy went into a depression and obama said "its not my fault, just a bad treasury department, we'll replace them in 2012." and expected to be re-elected.

Quote :

"Remember the time we were down by a touchdown to VT and Amato kicked a FG to cover the spread instead of trying to win the game? That guy was unbelievable "

Debateable. There was still loads of time left in the game and we had 4th and long against a great defense. Get the 3 now and let your best defense in the country get the ball back with a chnace to win.

Even if you tie the game in that situation, your best case scenario is ot but you're only going to send the other team into 2-minute mode and likely give up a fg with no time left anyway but with the lead they would likely still sit on the ball.

10/18/2009 12:32:42 PM

Quote :

"sutton, neal"

LOL at calling Jimmie Sutton and JC Neal NFL caliber players. Neal tackled like his replacements do and Sutton lost his job as a senior to a freshman DeAndre Morgan.

How do you block a user again?

10/19/2009 12:20:27 AM

"she" said ... nfl caliber players as well as other good players.


easy tiger

Quote :

"All those nfl guys like pressley, young, morgan, irving, brown, and really good college players like our whole dline, michel, johnson, sutton, neal, eugene, baker, spencer, bowens, williams"

[Edited on October 19, 2009 at 12:47 AM. Reason : it was in the first sentence]

10/19/2009 12:46:40 AM

Quote :

" Remember the time we were down by a touchdown to VT and Amato kicked a FG to cover the spread instead of trying to win the game? That guy was unbelievable"

Remember the time OBrien lost a game that was close enough where he had to make a coaching decision like that? Oh wait, he gets his ass blown out by 20+ every other game

Amato is a clown but he once won 11 games, something TOB cant claim. And sure, he had Philip Rivers. TOB had Matt Ryan and now has Russell Wilson, still hasnt hit the double digits

10/19/2009 1:39:08 AM

Did you really just compare Russell Wilson to Matt Ryan and gasp Philip Rivers?

10/19/2009 1:47:34 AM

I'm saying that the copout for Amato is "well, he had Rivers"

And that's fine. Chuck WAS a bad coach who inherited a QB and road his success for a few years before it it all fell apart after he left. He still managed to not fuck things up bad enough to get 11 wins during Philip's junior year

TOB can't even use a good QB as a crutch. He bolted from BC after Ryan's junior year, inherited Wilson here and still hasn't broke double digits. Are Wilson or even Ryan as good as Philip in my opinion? Fuck no, but a shitload of teams win 10+ games with worse QBs than either of them every year. And before we get into that retarded "OMG WE DESERVE CHAMPIONSHIPS" argument, I'm not even asking for Obrien to get 10 wins with Wilson. I sure as hell am asking for more than one division 1 win with him, though

[Edited on October 19, 2009 at 2:04 AM. Reason : 2am ugh]

10/19/2009 2:03:55 AM

i didn't know wilson played defense

10/19/2009 7:12:42 AM

I also get tired of the "Amato had 11 wins one year" speech. It would be far more impressive if 2 of those wins hadn't been over 2A schools.

10/19/2009 10:40:52 AM

Quote :

"still hasn't broke double digits."

What an easy thing to do

10/19/2009 10:41:49 AM