no chance that will happen.

That would cross the line from provocation to an outright declaration of formal state on state warfare.

6/6/2010 1:28:21 PM

Iran now offers military escort as well. Only Israel can prevent this war. Is the United States military capable of fighting in a third front?

6/6/2010 4:08:51 PM

So wait, are we still arguing that Israel does not have the right to police its own borders?

6/6/2010 4:12:45 PM

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"no chance that will happen. That would cross the line from provocation to an outright declaration of formal state on state warfare."

agreed.

Turkey and/or Iran would have to accept the consequences if they choose to arm escorts. I wonder how accepting Turkey or Iran would be to similar circumstances.

6/6/2010 4:14:20 PM

We'll find out. Israelis are organizing a counter flotilla to aid Kurds in Turkey. Of course, Turkey is not blockading the Kurds, so the ships will dock, pay the necessary custom fees and be welcomed.

6/6/2010 4:19:37 PM

^is that a serious post? lol if it is (not at you but at Israel)

6/6/2010 4:22:46 PM

When looking for evidence of Turkey sending an armed escort, mostly I just found a bunch of blogs that all linked to just one article, here:

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/turkey-threatens-action-israel-on-alert/116743-2.html

Maybe IBN is credible, I don't know. The quality of the English on its website makes me wonder, though.

As for Iran, I've found things saying that they are "willing to" provide an escort and that their navy is "ready to" if called upon to do so. That's about it. My guess is that none of the aid organizations would accept help from Iran, which isn't exactly the most popular country on Earth right now.

Come to that, I don't think they'll accept any armed escort terribly close to Israel. I don't think the aid groups are itching to start a war.

And it's important to point out that with the Kurds thing, the idea is merely being considered by students. If they attempt it, I'll be shocked. They are also not part of the Israeli government. Let's bear this in mind.

In addition to posting a bunch of far-out, largely unsubstantiated stories about impending war, he also seems to think that the Turks don't take the Kurdish issue seriously. All told he is not very bright.

6/6/2010 4:32:30 PM

Unlike you, I was smart enough to not join the military.

6/6/2010 4:58:12 PM

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"I don't think the aid groups are itching to start a war."

jesus christ. the people behind the latest "aid group" would be more than thrilled if an all out war against Israel were to break out

6/6/2010 5:31:36 PM

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"the people troll behind the latest "aid group" "post" would be more than thrilled if an all out war against Israel were to break out other users took him seriously"

6/6/2010 5:33:20 PM

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"the [s]people behind the latest [s]"aid group" would be more than thrilled if [s]an all out war against Israel were to break out other users took him seriously I, Golovko, am a terrorist."

[Edited on June 6, 2010 at 5:37 PM. Reason : s]

6/6/2010 5:36:24 PM

Hmm false

strikethrough fail ITT.

[Edited on June 6, 2010 at 5:39 PM. Reason : .]

6/6/2010 5:39:29 PM

i, too, know how to use CrazyCode to do interesting things.

6/6/2010 5:40:08 PM

^"I, too" would indicate that Solinari does as well in this case he does not. Look more carefully.

6/6/2010 5:41:19 PM

good point. I know how to use CrazyCode better than Solinari.

6/6/2010 5:46:55 PM

close enough is good enough

[Edited on June 6, 2010 at 6:48 PM. Reason : fixing crazy code errors is like killing hamas "peace" activists... u tire of it eventually]

6/6/2010 6:47:54 PM

noobs cant strikethrough

6/6/2010 8:40:24 PM

cant strikethrough just fine

6/6/2010 9:29:49 PM

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6/6/2010 9:43:48 PM

Fuck yes! Helen Thomas gets dropped by her agent. I hope her employer quickly follows suit.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/onmedia/0610/Thomas_gets_dropped_by_agency.html#

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"It is with a heavy heart that Nine Speakers, Inc. announces its resignation as the agent for Helen Thomas, Dean of the White House Press Corps. Ms. Thomas has had an esteemed career as a journalist, and she has been a trailblazer for women, helping others in her profession, and beyond. However, in light of recent events, Nine Speakers is no longer able to represent Ms. Thomas, nor can we condone her comments on the Middle East. Nine Speakers will continue to enthusiastically represent all of our other current and future clients."

This after Helen's outrageously offensive remarks that native-born Jewish people should move to Germany and Poland!

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"Asked what Jews in Israel should do, Thomas says “go home.” Asked where that home is, she replies: “Poland. Germany. And America and everywhere else.” "

6/6/2010 10:24:02 PM

hearing her ask questions is akin to listening to fingernails on the chalkboard

6/6/2010 10:30:13 PM

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"I don't think the aid groups are itching to start a war."

I think that's exactly what this particular lynch mob had in mind.

6/7/2010 12:26:06 AM

6/7/2010 2:27:07 AM

You cease being an aid group when you decide to bring harm to others.

6/7/2010 2:38:47 AM

^^ what exactly is the point there?

That Israel can’t do anything wrong, until the numbers of arab palestinians drops?

6/7/2010 2:43:20 AM

The point is that if the Israelis are trying to commit genocide, then they really suck at it.

6/7/2010 2:50:30 AM

Israel is just another terrorist rogue nation that abides by no international laws.

6/7/2010 3:39:22 AM

^

6/7/2010 7:03:26 AM

^^

Also, let's look at Solinari's latest:

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"This after Helen's outrageously offensive remarks that native-born Jewish people should move to Germany and Poland!"

Of course, if she wanted to keep her job, she shouldn't have said that.

But, what about Palestinian Arabs who were kicked out and are living in refugee camps in Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan, where they have given birth to 2 new generations?

What about those who were born there? Don't they have the right to live in homes and areas where there parents and grandparents were kicked out from? Is that fair?

So, in light of that, yes, native-born Jews should move out and go back to Europe (or USA, or Madagascar, etc) and give the land back to people that used to live just a few decades ago where they are living, and are still alive and many still have land deeds.

If someone doesn't see the injustice in that, well, then s/he is a terrorist [sympathizer] because there is no greater terrorism than throwing out half a nation from their land.

6/7/2010 7:13:58 AM

Helen points out that Israel is a Western colony and people get really pissed. Big surprise.

6/7/2010 12:22:05 PM

First hand account of the "peace activists" behavior:

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"As you know, it was my unit and my friends who were on the ship. My commander was injured badly as a result of the “pacifist’s” violence. I want to tell you how he was injured so you can tell the story. It shows just how horrible and inhuman were the activists. My commander was the first soldier that rappelled down from the helicopter to the ship. When he touched ground, he got hit in the head with a pole and stabbed in the stomach with a knife. When he drew out his secondary weapon–a handgun, (his primary weapon was a regular paintball gun- “tippman 98 custom”), he was shot in the leg. He managed to fire a single shot before he was tossed from the balcony by 4 Arab activists, to the lower deck (a 12 feet fall). He was then dragged by other activists to a room in the lower deck were he was stripped down by 2 activists. They took off his vest, helmet, and shirt, leaving him with only his pants and shoes on. When they finished they took a knife and expanded the wound he already had in his stomach. They cut his ab muscles horizontally and by hand spilled his guts out. When they finished, they raised him up and walked him on the deck outside. He was conscious the whole time. If you are asking your self why they did all that here comes the reason. They wanted to show the soldiers their commanders’ body so they will be demoralized and scared. Luckily, when they walked him on the deck, a soldier saw him and managed to shoot the activist that was walking him down the outside corridor. He shot him with a special non lethal bullet that didn’t kill him. My commander managed to jump from the deck to the water and swim to an army rescue boat (his guts still out of his body and now in salty sea water). That was how he was saved. The activists that did this to him are alive and now in Turkey and treated as heroes."

6/7/2010 12:31:55 PM

Plenty of horror stories going around on both sides. The other day a British activist claimed that IDF soldiers were executing people on the boat. Some activists had gunshot wounds to the back of their heads, reportedly.

Fact remains: the blockade is illegal and immoral. If the people on the boat did this, then it's fucking horrific. It doesn't magically make the blockade legal or moral. Sorry.

6/7/2010 12:36:46 PM

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"This after Helen's outrageously offensive remarks that native-born Jewish people should move to Germany and Poland!"

almost 90% percent of israel is composed of ashkenazi jews or converts (you know, the ones from germany and poland), not those that are said to have descended from abraham.

[Edited on June 7, 2010 at 1:10 PM. Reason : pp]

6/7/2010 1:10:13 PM

Plenty of non-Jewish immigrants to Israel in the past few decades, including large waves from Russia and Africa.

6/7/2010 1:12:01 PM

If I had a choice of where to immigrate to...it would not be the middle east

6/7/2010 1:15:44 PM

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"If I had a choice of where to immigrate to...it would not be the middle east"

Yes, if YOU had that choice.

6/7/2010 1:17:22 PM

"Boy, I'd never pick cucumbers for THAT pay!"

You don't say.

6/7/2010 1:17:48 PM

yes, I prefer not immigrating to regions of the world that are constantly at war

6/7/2010 1:18:00 PM

You don't live in Africa or ex-Soviet states either.

6/7/2010 1:20:45 PM

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"almost 90% percent of israel is composed of ashkenazi jews or converts (you know, the ones from germany and poland), not those that are said to have descended from abraham."

This stat is so so so very wrong.

The overwhelming majority of Israeli citizens, both Jewish and not, are Arab. European Jews, coming from European cultures, didn't have nearly the amount of children as the ones coming from Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, etc, and they continue to have children at a much higher rate.

6/7/2010 4:39:39 PM

^ No idea how I missed that quote. 90% Ashkenazi lol ...

6/7/2010 4:55:22 PM

6/7/2010 5:38:11 PM

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""

terrorist
• noun - a person who uses violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

Quote :

" First hand account of the "peace activists" behavior: "

Legitimate source, please. All I could find were blog posts.

[Edited on June 7, 2010 at 6:23 PM. Reason : .]

6/7/2010 6:20:19 PM

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"terrorist • noun - a person who uses violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims."

Well I guess that defines Israel pretty well.

6/7/2010 6:32:30 PM

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"Legitimate source, please. All I could find were blog posts."

6/7/2010 6:49:52 PM

^
I'm looking for a source of the claim that someone was disemboweled. Not a heavily edited Israeli Defense Force youtube video.

6/7/2010 6:54:14 PM

We've all seen this game. A demand for proof that ends up requiring a time machine and teleporter

6/7/2010 6:57:05 PM

notice anything different about these 2 photos?




Here's a hint:



Photo cropping thanks to Reuters...would you consider Reuters a legitimate source?



looks like this guy was stabbed in the gut...but this picture doesn't show a full on disemboweling, so I guess its still not legitimate

6/7/2010 7:00:09 PM

^
You still haven't given me a source. You just showed me two pictures from some random hosting website.

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" We've all seen this game. A demand for proof that ends up requiring a time machine and teleporter "

I asked where you found the story you posted. Don't remember?

6/7/2010 7:14:59 PM

some random hosting website, eh?

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"Reuters has published the picture at right from the "activists". As Johnson notes, "One picture cropped to remove a knife might be explained as incompetence or a simple mistake. But now we have two pictures from the “peace activists” that were cropped by someone at Reuters to remove knives in the hands of the activists, as they attempted to take soldiers hostage. The picture is a cropped version of this photo from the IHH website. (IHH is the Islamist group whose members rioted aboard the Mavi Marmara)."

You know, some people might think you actually don't care about a legitimate source, because you won't believe them anyway.

I show you pictures of an IDF officer stabbed in the stomach aboard the Mavi Marmara, and you just ignore it.

Further, if a source like Reuters which is generally considered a legitimate news source has already been shown to have cropped pictures to cover up IDF officers being stabbed, what exact legitimate sources would you accept?

6/7/2010 7:17:46 PM