He should have had one of these:

1/12/2011 6:45:23 AM

WE HAVE TO GO DEEPER.

1/12/2011 8:13:59 AM

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:GlTtdrxGOoIJ:palmettostatearmory.com/1750.php+ar-15+%22you+lie%22&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

They pulled the page after some blogs caught wind of it.

Palmetto State Armory company selling limited edition AR-15 lower receivers with "You Lie" engraved in them.

1/12/2011 9:49:56 AM

^ their logo reads

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"Palmetto State Armory -- Desperta Ferro! Awake The Iron!"

i love the way they feel the need to follow the latin phrase with the english translation.

because South Carolina gun toting rednecks are far too stupid to ever look anything like that up. if you dont translate it for them they'll assume its some Communist Party slogan declaring allegiance to the Pope.

1/12/2011 11:22:13 AM

http://www.azcentral.com/community/ahwatukee/articles/2011/01/11/20110111gabrielle-giffords-arizona-shooting-resignations.html

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"Gabrielle Giffords' Arizona shooting prompts resignations "

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" Miller said when he was a member of McCain's campaign staff last year has been criticized by the more conservative party members who supported Republican opponent J.D. Hayworth. The first and only African-American to hold the party's precinct chairmanship, Miller said he has been called "McCain's boy," and during the campaign saw a critic form his hand in the shape of a gun and point it at him. "I wasn't going to resign but decided to quit after what happened Saturday," Miller said. "I love the Republican Party but I don't want to take a bullet for anyone." "

wow.

1/12/2011 12:43:36 PM

memorial service on at 8pm

no clue if the major networks will be covering any of it... i'm watching on cspan 1 so i don't have to listen to pundits and tools

[Edited on January 12, 2011 at 8:10 PM. Reason : +]

1/12/2011 7:56:57 PM

memorial service or pep rally

1/12/2011 8:32:31 PM

How long is this gonna go on???

I'm tryna watch Modern Family.

1/12/2011 9:01:24 PM

Alright does anyone else find this totally ackward and disrespectful to the people that died? It's like
Def Comedy Memorial up there

1/12/2011 9:11:57 PM

it's definitely more a celebration of life than a memorial service and yes very very akward


I, too, wish i was watching modern family instead

1/12/2011 9:13:33 PM

Yeah, marko's pep rally description was pretty accurate.

[Edited on January 12, 2011 at 9:14 PM. Reason : OMG, HE'S STILL TALKING.]

1/12/2011 9:14:21 PM

the precedent for all the flipping clapping started as soon as first guy got up there

CUT IT OUT

1/12/2011 9:14:51 PM

Wait...like what the Democrats did when this guy died?

1/12/2011 9:15:49 PM

If there are rain puddles in Heaven, Christina is jumping in them today.

Okay, back to Modern Family and Cougar Town...

1/12/2011 9:20:06 PM

I cut it off 2 minutes in to the 10 minute applaud for Obama. Seriously. I have been to a couple memorial services inn my life time and there has never been cheering or applauding.

Cheering does not equal celebration of life.

1/12/2011 9:27:56 PM

i think that the clapping, the meandering length and the "opening of the eyes" will be the recycled talking points

hooray

but it will eventually wander back down to everyone trying to interpret the political leanings of a crazy person and hyping the blame game back up

[Edited on January 12, 2011 at 9:49 PM. Reason : zzzzzzzz]

1/12/2011 9:41:23 PM

If only this had happened in October 2012

1/12/2011 9:47:09 PM

was Sarah Palin there?

no?

guilt complex, mayhaps?

1/12/2011 10:59:04 PM

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"The loss of these wonderful people should make every one of us strive to be better. To be better in our private lives, to be better friends and neighbors and coworkers and parents. And if, as has been discussed in recent days, their death helps usher in more civility in our public discourse, let us remember it is not because a simple lack of civility caused this tragedy -- it did not -- but rather because only a more civil and honest public discourse can help us face up to the challenges of our nation in a way that would make them proud. We should be civil because we want to live up to the example of public servants like John Roll and Gabby Giffords, who knew first and foremost that we are all Americans, and that we can question each other’s ideas without questioning each other’s love of country and that our task, working together, is to constantly widen the circle of our concern so that we bequeath the American Dream to future generations."

I thought that part of the President's speech worked well. To call for aspiring to more civility without getting entangled in matters of blame.

1/13/2011 12:18:46 AM

^Yeah, that's all good except for the "bequeath" part.

It was just weird. I wasn't even paying attention to the darn thing until I heard "bequeath" come over my TV. And it was like, "What?"

1/13/2011 12:29:29 AM

Yeah, I get that it was supposed to be the intersection of talking about leaving a better future for the next generation with bequeathing being leaving something to someone, and using words appropriate to the somber yet hopeful context, but I agree that it felt like it stuck out.

I also felt this part was well worded:

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"On Saturday morning, Gabby, her staff and many of her constituents gathered outside a supermarket to exercise their right to peaceful assembly and free speech. They were fulfilling a central tenet of the democracy envisioned by our founders –- representatives of the people answering questions to their constituents, so as to carry their concerns back to our nation’s capital. Gabby called it “Congress on Your Corner” -– just an updated version of government of and by and for the people. And that quintessentially American scene, that was the scene that was shattered by a gunman’s bullets. And the six people who lost their lives on Saturday –- they, too, represented what is best in us, what is best in America."

Which was followed by eulogizing those who died, and then this:

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"Our hearts are broken by their sudden passing. Our hearts are broken -– and yet, our hearts also have reason for fullness. Our hearts are full of hope and thanks for the 13 Americans who survived the shooting, including the congresswoman many of them went to see on Saturday. I have just come from the University Medical Center, just a mile from here, where our friend Gabby courageously fights to recover even as we speak. And I want to tell you -- her husband Mark is here and he allows me to share this with you -- right after we went to visit, a few minutes after we left her room and some of her colleagues in Congress were in the room, Gabby opened her eyes for the first time."

I thought it was good that he highlighted the heros in that incident. I knew there would be some religious imagery in the speech too, which there was, but I was really looking for him to say something that wasn't just bowing your head to pray, but also rising to the occasion as well. This is the part that I feel best met that criteria:

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" For the truth is none of us can know exactly what triggered this vicious attack. None of us can know with any certainty what might have stopped these shots from being fired, or what thoughts lurked in the inner recesses of a violent man’s mind. Yes, we have to examine all the facts behind this tragedy. We cannot and will not be passive in the face of such violence. We should be willing to challenge old assumptions in order to lessen the prospects of such violence in the future. But what we cannot do is use this tragedy as one more occasion to turn on each other. That we cannot do. That we cannot do. As we discuss these issues, let each of us do so with a good dose of humility. Rather than pointing fingers or assigning blame, let’s use this occasion to expand our moral imaginations, to listen to each other more carefully, to sharpen our instincts for empathy and remind ourselves of all the ways that our hopes and dreams are bound together."

1/13/2011 12:56:31 AM

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"But what we cannot do is use this tragedy as one more occasion to turn on each other. That we cannot do. That we cannot do."

This.

1/13/2011 1:39:37 AM

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"was Sarah Palin there? no? guilt complex, mayhaps? "

Not your best work

1/13/2011 12:19:56 PM

:|

1/13/2011 12:34:12 PM

Holy shit, The Onion has become pretty cruel lately:

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"Shooting Suspect Released After Not Breaking Any Arizona Laws"

http://www.theonion.com/articles/shooting-suspect-released-after-not-breaking-any-a,18809/

1/13/2011 1:13:45 PM

Before anyone starts complaining about the t-shirts that were passed out to attendees being some kind of political whoring by Obama: The college was planning the event to begin with and later invited Obama. The t-shirts and plans to distribute them were the college's doing.

[Edited on January 13, 2011 at 1:49 PM. Reason : .]

1/13/2011 1:48:45 PM

Another chimes in on Krugman

"The origins of Loughner’s delusions are clear: mental illness. What are the origins of Krugman’s?"

Love it

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/256935/massacre-followed-libel-charles-krauthammer

1/13/2011 4:31:23 PM

^there are plenty of mentally ill people, the toxic political environment that has gone on for years can push some of them over the edge

to say that mental illness alone was responsible for a guy targeting a politician is pretty naive

1/13/2011 6:52:59 PM

actually it looks like he was obsessed with her ever since he felt she didnt answer his question.

But keep blaming the "toxic political environment" if you will.

You remind me of this guy, although he admits the truth in the end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv5woNs9WRE

1/13/2011 9:27:47 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9kfcEga0lk

1/13/2011 9:56:54 PM

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"to say that mental illness alone was responsible for a guy targeting a politician is pretty naive"

and your evidence for this would be... seems like mental illness, alone, would be a sufficient cause. Plenty of mentally ill people have done some pretty crazy and terrible things in history without any prodding from anyone else

1/14/2011 11:42:07 AM

^evidence? Evidence is a mental illness to some.

1/14/2011 5:57:10 PM

after 8 pages of normal people being disgusted with the increase in violent rhetoric from
partisan hacks, TSB teabaggers have finally arrived to lead each other in a circle jerk.

winks and nudges and mutual cockgrabbing shall continue henceforth.




[Edited on January 14, 2011 at 6:49 PM. Reason : ]

1/14/2011 6:32:12 PM

Tea baggers have not become experts at absolving themselves from all responsibility

glenn beck blaming government for slavery among others come to mind

1/14/2011 6:38:32 PM

meanwhile, for those of us who are not hate filled, Glenn Beck worshipping moonbats.

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" Sarah Palin is no Ronald Reagan by Paul Begala, CNN Contributor (CNN) -- What is one to make of Sarah Palin's defensive, bitter, self-centered speech in response to the mass killings in Arizona? It may well work, in that dog-whistle way the former Alaska governor has, with some ultra- conservatives. But the speech is one more piece of evidence (as if we needed one) that Palin, even at a time when Americans are crying out for healing and unity, is a strikingly polarizing figure. When she first burst on the national scene, I watched her convention speech and could not imagine Ronald Reagan delivering it. She was sarcastic and caustic and harsh -- everything Reagan was not. I felt the same thing watching her post-Arizona video presentation. The Gipper was a tough partisan and a strong conservative, but he had a sunny, optimistic worldview and a resilient, Teflon manner that slipped punches, drawing in even those who disagreed with him, and driving Democrats to distraction. Reagan understood the biblical wisdom that "A soft answer turneth away wrath, but grievous words stir up anger." Palin seems hell-bent on using the most grievous words (including the calumny "blood libel") to stir up still more anger: the one thing we already have a surplus of. Palin's speech goes on for 1,141 words, yet she never mentions the names of the victims (except a reference to Rep. Gabrielle Giffords). Reagan's Challenger speech is just 650 words, and includes heartfelt and personal tribute to all seven of the astronauts who died. The famously prolix President Clinton mourned the 168 Americans murdered by right-wing terrorists in Oklahoma City with just 918 words. But it's just not fair to compare Palin to Reagan or Clinton. They were giants; she is a pygmy. The timing is wrong, the tone is wrong and the tenor is wrong. Palin talks way too much about herself: how she learned of the shooting, how she reflected on what happened, how she has been puzzled. She lectures us about personal responsibility, about civic engagement, about spirited debate, sharing her views of history and political science and blah, blah, blah. With a defensiveness that is perhaps understandable, she reminds us that she wisely disavowed violence during a speech in Arizona during the 2010 campaign. But she fails to acknowledge that she did so because three days earlier -- as congressional Democrats were receiving death threats -- she had released the now-infamous map putting Giffords' district and others in cross hairs and urged her followers to "Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!" Of course, this is not to say that Palin's rhetoric -- or anyone else's -- had anything to do with this massacre. But her selective recall is self-serving. Palin could have done something big here. She could have acknowledged that, while bull's-eyes are common political graphics, perhaps in retrospect she should have heeded Giffords' concerns and changed the map. She could have risen above those who unfairly attacked her, saying that she understands how in a time of pain and confusion people sometimes say hurtful things. She could have called for earlier intervention and better mental health care. She could have even shocked the world and said no one needs a 33-round gun magazine for either self-defense or hunting. (Then again, perhaps Palin is the only one who does. Anyone who misses a caribou five times with a high-powered rifle is no hunter.) Most of all, Palin could have spoken to us as the devoted mother of five who felt the pain of the parents who lost their child, and of the children who lost their parents in that savage attack. In fact, the words of comfort she did offer felt almost like an afterthought: Oh, yeah, sorry about all those people who were shot ... but did you hear the nasty things the liberals are saying about me? She desperately needed someone to tell her, "Sarah, I know the attacks on you sting, but don't you really want to focus on the attacks that killed six Americans and wounded 13 more?" This was no Mama Grizzly protecting her cubs. This was a bitter, self-centered politician protecting her hide. --http://edition.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/01/13/begala.palin.reagan/ "

[Edited on January 14, 2011 at 6:55 PM. Reason : ]

1/14/2011 6:53:03 PM

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"after 8 pages of normal people being disgusted with the increase in violent rhetoric from partisan hacks"

I agree that encouraging a higher level of debate in politics is generally a good thing. Not sure I buy all these Glenn Beck made me do it claims:



Just saw this:

http://www.slate.com/id/2280794/

"Friendly Firearms
Gabrielle Giffords and the perils of guns: How an armed hero nearly shot the wrong man."

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"Arizona already lets people carry concealed weapons without requiring permits. The legislature is considering two bills to expand this right, and as Slate's David Weigel reports, the Arizona Citizens Defense League is preparing legislation that would require the state to offer firearms training to politicians and their staff. The bill is tentatively titled the Giffords-Zimmerman Act in honor of the wounded congresswoman and her slain aide. "When everyone is carrying a firearm, nobody is going to be a victim," argues the state's top pro-gun legislator. Beyond Arizona, at least two members of Congress say they'll bring guns while traveling their districts. The new poster boy for this agenda is Joe Zamudio, a hero in the Tucson incident. Zamudio was in a nearby drug store when the shooting began, and he was armed. He ran to the scene and helped subdue the killer. Television interviewers are celebrating his courage, and pro-gun blogs are touting his equipment. "Bystander Says Carrying Gun Prompted Him to Help," says the headline in the Wall Street Journal. But before we embrace Zamudio's brave intervention as proof of the value of being armed, let's hear the whole story. "I came out of that store, I clicked the safety off, and I was ready," he explained on Fox and Friends. "I had my hand on my gun. I had it in my jacket pocket here. And I came around the corner like this." Zamudio demonstrated how his shooting hand was wrapped around the weapon, poised to draw and fire. As he rounded the corner, he saw a man holding a gun. "And that's who I at first thought was the shooter," Zamudio recalled. "I told him to 'Drop it, drop it!' " But the man with the gun wasn't the shooter. He had wrested the gun away from the shooter. "Had you shot that guy, it would have been a big, fat mess," the interviewer pointed out. Zamudio agreed: I was very lucky. Honestly, it was a matter of seconds. Two, maybe three seconds between when I came through the doorway and when I was laying on top of [the real shooter], holding him down. So, I mean, in that short amount of time I made a lot of really big decisions really fast. … I was really lucky. When Zamudio was asked what kind of weapons training he'd had, he answered: "My father raised me around guns … so I'm really comfortable with them. But I've never been in the military or had any professional training. I just reacted." The Arizona Daily Star, based on its interview with Zamudio, adds two details to the story. First, upon seeing the man with the gun, Zamudio "grabbed his arm and shoved him into a wall" before realizing he wasn't the shooter. And second, one reason why Zamudio didn't pull out his own weapon was that "he didn't want to be confused as a second gunman." This is a much more dangerous picture than has generally been reported. Zamudio had released his safety and was poised to fire when he saw what he thought was the killer still holding his weapon. Zamudio had a split second to decide whether to shoot. He was sufficiently convinced of the killer's identity to shove the man into a wall. But Zamudio didn't use his gun. That's how close he came to killing an innocent man. He was, as he acknowledges, "very lucky.""

Glad things didn't go down that way.

1/14/2011 6:59:16 PM

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"Not sure I buy all these Glenn Beck made me do it claims:"

i can't see your video at work but let me say one thing:

nobody with any goddamned sense is saying "Glenn Beck [or Sarah Palin] made [the killer] do it".

not me, not anyone else here.

You may find some dipshit who does thinks that, but if you try to broad brush it as being somehow equivalent to anyone who says anything critical about the level of violent discourse, then you're missing your goddamned sense as well.

1/14/2011 7:10:38 PM

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"if you try to broad brush it as being somehow equivalent to anyone who says anything critical about the level of violent discourse"

I'm not. The video which you were unable to watch has some specific examples that I was refering to. But your point is taken.

1/14/2011 8:19:28 PM

^^joe_schmoe

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"crazy or not, you cant say hes apolitical. on the contrary, he's quite wrapped up -- consumed by -- contentious constitutional issues of the exact sort being discussed by the tea party and libertarian groups. and now, he appears to have acted on teh "Lock and Load" rhetoric professed by the more extremist proponents of those groups. "

swing and a miss

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"not me, not anyone else here"

lol

1/14/2011 9:10:02 PM

joe_schmoe

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"You may find some dipshit who does thinks that"

found one

1/14/2011 9:11:35 PM

Gun Owner Who Showed Restraint, Good Judgment Is Apparently an Argument Against Gun Ownership
http://reason.com/blog/2011/01/12/gun-owner-who-shows-restraint

1/15/2011 12:17:24 PM

You know, I thought the same thing. The authoritarian left tries to paint gun owners as reckless vigilantes that shoot first and ask questions later.

1/15/2011 12:22:37 PM

Some are, some aren't. As wrong as they are about them being unsafe and "criminals waiting to happen", you are in trying to paint them all as safe and law abiding. Some just aren't. I have no problem with gun ownership, I've considered purchasing one myself, but please don't attempt to respond to one generalization by presenting your own.

1/15/2011 4:08:13 PM

1/15/2011 6:01:43 PM

^^ I didn't see any generalization shown other than the original vigilante one drawn by Supplanter. pay attention

^ that should clearly go in its own thread

[Edited on January 15, 2011 at 6:41 PM. Reason : ]

1/15/2011 6:41:35 PM

You must not have read the link.

1/15/2011 6:47:05 PM

yeah, still not really a generalization.

1/15/2011 6:52:17 PM

Contrary to stereotypes, legal gun owners tend to be sticklers about safety. For example, I received about a dozen emails and Facebook messages from gun owners chastising me for our October 2010 cover, which shows a woman violating gun safety rules by having her finger on the trigger.

1/15/2011 6:53:09 PM

that's not a generalization.

1/15/2011 7:04:43 PM

1/15/2011 11:44:21 PM