longo got a six year, multi-million deal. andrus is not 21. not sure where all these random numbers are coming from.

lester, romero and gallardo all signed to multi-year, multi-million deals last year before they were eligible for arbitration (yes, at a slightly higher age, but not by much). granted, they are pitchers, so more valuable to lock up early than a middle infielder, but it's still not unheard of (nor do i think it's a terrible idea, regardless of how often teams actually do it... see how well it has worked out for tampa).

[Edited on October 20, 2011 at 10:54 PM. Reason : ^^ forgot about tulo. braun's a good example as well.]

10/20/2011 10:52:57 PM

god damn it i fucking hate tony la russa so fucking much

10/20/2011 10:53:42 PM

fuck yeah. dumbass just managed his way out of a win.

10/20/2011 10:57:30 PM

His 21-year-old season was last year.

Longoria signed his deal after his 24-year-old season. Huge difference. Longo finished 6th in MVP voting that year. Andrus OPS was .643 last year!

You're suggesting that they sign him to a deal now, when there's no incentive to? How would that possibly save money when he hits free agency? High risk, zero reward. If it's "not unheard of", name that last 22 year-old Venzualean to have his entire arbitration period bought out. Braun was also 25. Tulo was 23, but might be the best hitting SS of all-time. Both are franchise players, Andrus is not.

10/20/2011 10:59:24 PM

the more they show that throw from center field the worse it looks.

10/20/2011 11:01:53 PM

both braun and longoria had less mlb experience. i'm not saying they have to give dude 8 years at $40 million, but he's a damn good shortstop that they'd be smart to lock up for a while. no, he's not hitting 30 homers a year like tulowitzki, but he's got a great glove, steals bases and scores runs. and he's likely just going to get better before he hits free agency, thus the reward is to lock him up before his price increases (same thing the rays did with longoria).

who cares that he's venezuelan or younger? the point is not age or nationality, but time until he's eligible for free agency.

10/20/2011 11:05:21 PM

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"Longoria signed his deal after his 24-year-old season."

thought he signed that deal in 2008 when he was only 21?

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"but might be the best hitting SS of all-time"

a-rod was probably putting up better numbers at the same age

10/20/2011 11:05:57 PM

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"they'd be smart to lock up for a while"

They've got him for three years and he'll be getting a good raise this offseason. They also have Jurickson Profar in the minors who should be ready by the time Andrus hits free agency.

Again, zero incentive.

[Edited on October 20, 2011 at 11:09 PM. Reason : You're right about Longoria. But he's still immensely more valuable than Andrus]

10/20/2011 11:08:13 PM

at some point the cardinals need to realize that feliz isn't throwing strikes, no matter what tim mccarver says

10/20/2011 11:09:53 PM

haha fuck you la russa. dickhead.

10/20/2011 11:11:42 PM

^^^^ yeah he was 22, and he definitely did not finish 6th in mvp voting that year either.

[Edited on October 20, 2011 at 11:12 PM. Reason : a]

10/20/2011 11:12:16 PM

Longoria's 22 was still > Andrus' 22

There is no comparison

10/20/2011 11:14:23 PM

Loved seeing Arthur Rhodes pitch with the game on the line TLR!

10/20/2011 11:16:17 PM

oh yeah, now i remember saying that andrus is better than longoria at 22. my bad.

10/20/2011 11:20:32 PM

Well, he'd have to be reasonably close to consider signing him to such a stupid deal.

10/20/2011 11:21:40 PM

what'd be really ironic is TLR moving the game away from the whole closer mentality thing considering he's the one who's largely responsible for it in the first place. good thing this shit has permeated the game for the last 20 fucking years.

10/20/2011 11:21:56 PM

Why all the la russa hate? I didn't watch baseball from 98-2006.

10/20/2011 11:26:42 PM

because he is credited with having a "cerebral" approach to the game, but all he does is overmanage the shit out of situations and gets tons and tons of praised heaped on him for it. he was a big part of MATCHUPS becoming a thing and is largely the reason why you see 4 and 5 pitchers per game and why games are starting to take fucking forever due to all the pitching changes. everyone was sucking his dick this morning in the media for what happened last night, but his exact same bullshit cost the cardinals a game in st louis after motte gave up a bloop and a standard single.

his pitching strategies often ignore the problems of extremely small sample sizes and the fact that even the best hitters in the game will fail 7 out of 10 times. when his shit works, he's a genius. when it doesn't, no one says a thing.

[Edited on October 20, 2011 at 11:34 PM. Reason : .]

10/20/2011 11:32:52 PM

Can we get back to hating on Josh Hamilton yet? Because he's a big piece of shit.

10/21/2011 12:03:28 AM

^ dude it's fine that you don't like him but keep it in one thread. I promise that everyone that reads this thread reads the Hamilton thread as well...

10/21/2011 7:14:05 AM

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"when his shit works, he's a genius. when it doesn't, no one says a thing. "

ESPN guys (Larkin and Schilling) blamed him for the loss last night/this morning.

And let's get this thread back to talking about the series.

10/21/2011 7:39:46 AM

I'm just pissed that Josh Hamilton got an RBI and I didn't even witness it. It may not happen again this series. Damnit.

10/21/2011 9:48:40 AM

baseball is such a boring sport. can't believe people ride it's jock.

10/21/2011 3:52:33 PM

HOW DARE YOU COME INTO A THREAD AND SAY THINGS PEOPLE MIGHT DISAGREE WITH.

10/21/2011 3:59:47 PM

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" HOW DARE YOU COME INTO A THREAD AND SAY THINGS PEOPLE MIGHT DISAGREE WITH THAT DO NOT RELATE."

[Edited on October 21, 2011 at 10:38 PM. Reason : /]

10/21/2011 10:33:00 PM

Bullet is into professional team-picture-taking

10/21/2011 10:33:36 PM

It's been a rough few weeks for Bullet in sports talk.

10/21/2011 10:37:07 PM

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"ESPN guys (Larkin and Schilling) blamed him for the loss last night/this morning."

la russa gets killed on baseball today almost every day, as well.

10/22/2011 3:17:43 AM

Holy cow an extra out for the cardinals really hurting this inning...

What kinda bush league umpire misses that call

[Edited on October 22, 2011 at 9:23 PM. Reason : Sheesh]

10/22/2011 9:22:37 PM

Its Josh hamiltons fault for being an asshole.

10/22/2011 9:26:00 PM

Seriously can some one ban this guy from posting in this thread if he has nothing worthwhile to post?

Rangers making it interesting now...

10/22/2011 9:38:00 PM

My own thread?

10/22/2011 9:48:21 PM

Bad slide by Napoli there. Good throw by Holliday though

^

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"Stay On-Topic - Try to stick with the topic. If you have something important to say that doesn't relate to the topic, then start a new topic. If you have something useless to say, keep it to yourself. "

[Edited on October 22, 2011 at 9:53 PM. Reason : ,]

10/22/2011 9:50:07 PM

Cardinals making it interesting now""

10/22/2011 9:58:18 PM

You are right

10/22/2011 10:01:00 PM

Why would anybody take anything off if that throw by Holliday? By saying things like "bad slide"?

Got those runs back, guy!

[Edited on October 22, 2011 at 10:02 PM. Reason : 4s fail]

10/22/2011 10:01:44 PM

If he would have slid more outside the plate the play would have been closer and who is Amy.

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" Good throw by Holliday though"

[Edited on October 22, 2011 at 10:05 PM. Reason : Read ]

10/22/2011 10:04:18 PM

Amy is Siri being a bitch I guess.

10/22/2011 10:26:50 PM

Really interesting game, regardless of the outcome...

10/22/2011 10:37:05 PM

Not sure that one has landed yet...

10/22/2011 10:44:13 PM

I think berkman may be the most awkward runner in the pros. Lol

10/22/2011 11:00:28 PM

Lmao at even pitching to him in that situation.

10/22/2011 11:15:09 PM

BREAKING NEWS: TEXANS ACT LIKE DOUCHEBAGS. THROW SHIT ON FIELD ON FRUSTRATION.

10/22/2011 11:26:13 PM

Ps that's not breaking news.

10/22/2011 11:29:26 PM

Well that's impressive.

10/23/2011 12:03:14 AM

If anybody cares, follow @wrong_again on twitter. Giving away a bunch of swag for predicting random stuff. Only off by three pitches on the last one.

10/23/2011 12:03:30 AM

3 jacks, jesus christ

10/23/2011 12:06:39 AM

^To answer your question from the other thread, I think I have more life than getting my ass handed to me 16-7 while burning through nearly all my relievers and having the entire Bush-loving state of Texas watching.

10/23/2011 1:06:34 AM

What the hell does that even mean? I'm not even a Rangers fan.

10/23/2011 1:11:03 AM

Not after tonight, anyway...

10/23/2011 1:18:36 AM