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"I remember him saying "lol jk I just wanted to see your reaction if I got mad", so it didn't seem to me that he was mad at all, just testing her."

This.

5/10/2012 1:40:14 PM

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"I agree with people saying Captain America is a lot better here. I still can't believe I went to see an entire film about this dude. What's his super power? He's really buff. "

And he has a badass shield.

What's Iron Man's super power? Why the fuck does a superhero have to have a 'super power' in the fist place? Most of these Avengers are just dudes.

5/10/2012 1:46:44 PM

yeah, captain america (the movie film) was great, as is captain america (the super? hero)

5/10/2012 1:50:00 PM

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""I agree with people saying Captain America is a lot better here. I still can't believe I went to see an entire film about this dude. What's his super power? He's really buff. ""

Captain America is the result of the successful Super-Soldier program. The serum gave him super strength, super speed, super agility, and extended stamina. Plus, it heightened his senses to perfection, so his vision, reflexes, and sense of smell is all beyond the normal person. There's also conflicting info as to whether or not he heals at a faster rate.

Remember, the serum was the reason Banner became the Hulk in the first place. Banner was trying to recreate the super soldier serum, and theorized that it was based on gamma radiation. He tested it on himself, and then boom, Hulk was born. The military tried to recreate it (Thunderbolt Ross) and it was given to Emil Blonsky, who took on the Hulk by himself (though he got is ass handed to him). After that was over, Blonsky got the pre-leader Dr. Samuel Sterns to inject him with the same radiation that made Banner the Hulk, making the Captain America/Hulk mashup that became known as the "Abomination."

And that's how Hulk is tied to Captain America.

5/10/2012 2:01:29 PM

^, ^^
Agreed. I'd take Captain America over Superman any day.
Lawl, I haz every superpowa and invent new ones as needed!!!111one RAWR.

[Edited on May 10, 2012 at 2:02 PM. Reason : ]

5/10/2012 2:01:36 PM

I kind of see the Hulk question as being answered by multiple hulks from the comic. I think if he changes involuntarily you get the "savage hulk" whereas if he does it intentionally you get something more akin to the current version of the hulk, which retains at least some of Banner's intelligence and personality.

5/10/2012 2:03:28 PM

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"There's also conflicting info as to whether or not he heals at a faster rate."

I was curious about that. He got shot near the end of that final fight and I was like..."is he about to go all Wolverine on us?? Because he needs to"

5/10/2012 2:04:13 PM

yeah it's one of those things in the comics that has been retconned a few times, so nobody's really sure.


i think, though, for the movie's purposes, he does heal faster... i mean he DID survive being frozen in ice for almost 75 years.

5/10/2012 2:06:33 PM

here's a quick size comparison from the 2 Hulk movies:

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2428153856/tt0800080
http://i.imgur.com/CDOc5.jpg

assuming blonsky and hawkeye are approximately the same size, hulk may be SLIGHTLY smaller in Avengers. he's also more hunched over though, so it's hard to tell.

5/10/2012 2:14:54 PM

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"Agreed. I'd take Captain America over Superman any day."

Well, sure. Superman is probably the most boring superhero ever invented.

5/10/2012 2:29:27 PM

uhhhhhhhhhhh no

5/10/2012 2:31:13 PM

http://houseofgeekery.com/2011/11/25/superman-is-boring/

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"What's Iron Man's super power? Why the fuck does a superhero have to have a 'super power' in the fist place? Most of these Avengers are just dudes."

I'm actually totally cool with this. Plenty of things help balance out lack of a super power: gadgets, skills, personal weaknesses, interesting villains, or ... ya know, like a personality.

On further reflection, I think the main reason I hate superman and captain america is they are too powerful (super strength is still pretty unimaginative though). There is never a moment when I think they can be harmed or they have any chance of losing.

[Edited on May 10, 2012 at 2:48 PM. Reason : asdfasdfdsf]

5/10/2012 2:38:39 PM

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"On further reflection, I think the main reason I hate superman and captain america is they are too powerful (super strength is still pretty unimaginative though). There is never a moment when I think they can be harmed or they have any chance of losing."

Captain America is too powerful? I can understand that complaint about Superman but not Cap.

5/10/2012 2:52:08 PM

He also mentioned in the Captain America movie that he can't get drunk, similar to Wolverine.

5/10/2012 2:54:50 PM

I think Wolverine can get drunk. He just recovers quickly.

5/10/2012 3:00:25 PM

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"He also mentioned in the Captain America movie that he can't get drunk, similar to Wolverine."

That gives me an idea for a new super hero:

MITT ROMNEY

Just like Captain America, he's a freedom loving american who has great hair and can't get drunk. Also, he has magic underwear.

5/10/2012 3:11:24 PM

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"Well, sure. Superman is probably the most boring superhero ever invented."

yeah, superman sucks. it's like he has every power out there. although he only has average intelligence, and can easily be outsmarted.

5/10/2012 3:15:36 PM

so because he can fly, has heat vision and is strong he therefore has every power...

I'm not a huge Superman fan but I've read enough DC comics where he's been beaten pretty badly by several repeat villains.

Lex has beaten his ass so many times that I've lost count. His only "ability" is genius level intelligence.

[Edited on May 10, 2012 at 3:20 PM. Reason : .]

5/10/2012 3:19:45 PM

If I'm not mistaken, there's a somewhat clear connection to Wolverine in the Avenger's movie series...

First, the most obvious, is when Thunderbolt Ross in the Incredible Hulk talks about the two Canadians failing to bring Hulk to justice. He doesn't give names, but it could be pre-conflict Wolverine and another from the Weapon X program.

Second, the Super Soldier program that Cap was part of is talked about as also being similar to "what the Canadians were working on," leading me to believe this too could be the Weapon X program.

Finally, and it's iffy, is the whole "what is captain america's shield made from?" Now, in the comics it's been long-known that it's Vibranium. However, in the movies, they've left this sort of thing open. All we know is that the shield is made from the same element that Tony Stark's IM2 chest piece is made from, and that Howard Stark was the one who discovered it. It's never said that it's vibranium, but at the same time, it's also never said that it's not adamantium. So who knows.


I'd love for Marvel to shell out some of that Avengers money to buy back the X-Men/Wolverine franchise.

5/10/2012 3:21:29 PM

"Can I help?" "Are you a beer?" HA!

5/10/2012 3:45:00 PM

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"Now, in the comics it's been long-known that it's Vibranium. However, in the movies, they've left this sort of thing open"

I'm pretty sure that in the Captain America movie, Howard Stark specifically says the shield is made of Vibranium. That's actually a nifty tie-in to Iron Man 2 if that's the same "element" Tony creates based on the clues his dad left.

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"so because he can fly, has heat vision and is strong he therefore has every power... "

Super speed that can rival the Flash?
X-Ray vision?
Near invulnerability?
etc

And if we are to include the movies, add ridiculous things like throwing his chest logo, reversing the rotation of the earth to turn back time, and being able to lift an entire continent of his ONE WEAKNESS (given the right scenario).
They literally invent random stuff for him depending on the situation.

5/10/2012 4:11:39 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong but the main thing about the shield being made from vibranium is that it absorbs all kinetic energy, right? Hence why Thor can hit the shield with all of his might and Captain America not even be pushed into the ground. In contrast, adamantium is just a super strong metal?

(although I guess that doesn't make sense with bullets bouncing off the shield)

5/10/2012 4:15:24 PM

Yeah its description is that it absorbs all kinetic energy but often it's more like it reflects all kinetic energy back the way it came while absorbing none of it.

It it did what it claimed it would drop immediately after he hit somethign with a shield throw.

5/10/2012 4:35:22 PM

haven't seen this yet

but its at 93% on Rottentomatoes.com

is that really really high, or do new movies often get great ratings and eventually go down?

5/10/2012 4:59:18 PM

I'm sure you'll download it regardless

5/10/2012 5:00:36 PM

i'm looking forward to watching it, just didnt know if the RT rating was super high or common among new releases

5/10/2012 5:04:36 PM

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"is that really really high, or do new movies often get great ratings and eventually go down?"

It's pretty high.

Usually movies have the highest ratings 1-2 weeks before release, then it starts to go down after the release of the movie, once more reviews are published.

By this point, it's been out for a week. Most reviews have been compiled. It's going to settle in the 90%+ range, which, for a Superhero movie, is damn good.

5/10/2012 5:06:28 PM

thought cap's shield was a mix of vibranium and adamantium

5/10/2012 5:38:33 PM

In the comics I'm pretty sure it's a Vibranium/Steel alloy that has never been duplicated and is harder than Adamantium.

5/10/2012 7:47:48 PM

via the wiki this is what his comic shield is made of:

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"Again through retroactive continuity, it is established that the shield was presented to Rogers by President Franklin D. Roosevelt. The shield is created by a fictional American metallurgist named Myron MacLain, who had been commissioned by the US government to create an indestructible armor material to aid the war effort. MacLain experiments with the vibration-absorbing metal vibranium. During one of his experiments to fuse vibranium with an experimental iron alloy, MacLain falls asleep and awakens to find the experiment a success. This is due to an unknown catalyst entering the process during his slumber, and he is unable to duplicate the result. The vibranium-iron alloy mix is then poured into a mold for a tank's upper hatch to create the disc shape and painted to become Captain America's symbol."

Many of the comics say the shield is a vibranium-adamantium alloy, but was retconed to the above story. Adamantium was actually created/discovered by MacLain when trying to recreate the shield.

In this continuity (movie) it is a vibranium prototype created by Howard Stark. They gave Cap a bunch of shields to try in his movie and selected the vibranium prototype. Stark told him to be careful with it since that was all the material that they had. There is no adamantium. I'm not even sure if they could use the word adamanitum in any of the Marvel Studies movies since Fox owns the X-Men and in turn, adamantium.

Anyway it couldn't have been made of adamantium because if it was Cap would have been crushed when Thor hit it when he, "brought the hammer down." The shield would have been fine but every bone in Caps body would have been crushed.

[Edited on May 10, 2012 at 8:19 PM. Reason : .]

5/10/2012 8:07:27 PM

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"I'd love for Marvel to shell out some of that Avengers money to buy back the X-Men/Wolverine franchise."

It makes me sad that someone else has the rights to them and other super heroes. It totally will mess most movies up that ever want to be made because there are so many parallel/connections.

5/10/2012 8:13:08 PM

http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/1364638/joss_whedon_writes_an_open_letter_to_his_fans.html

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"Dear Friends, Well, it's been quite a weekend. Someday, long from now, I will even have an emotional reaction to it, like a person would. I can't wait! But before I become blinded by this "emotion" experience, there's a few things I'd like to say. Well, type. People have told me that this matters, that my life is about to change. I am sure that is true. And change is good -- change is exciting. I think -- not to jinx it -- that I may finally be recognized at Comiccon. Imagine! Also, with my percentage of "the Avengers" gross, I can afford to buy... [gets call from agent. Weeps manfully. Resumes typing.] ...a fine meal. But REALLY fine, with truffles and s#!+. And I can get a studio to finance my dream project, the reboot of "Air Bud" that we all feel is so long overdue. (He could play Jai Alai! Think of the emotional ramifications of JAI ALAI!!!!) What doesn't change is anything that matters. What doesn't change is that I've had the smartest, most loyal, most passionate, most articulate group of -- I'm not even gonna say fans. I'm going with "peeps" -- that any cult oddity such as my bad self could have dreamt of. When almost no one was watching, when people probably should have STOPPED watching, I've had three constants: my family and friends, my collaborators (often the same), and y'all. A lot of stories have come out about my "dark years", and how I'm "unrecognized"... I love these stories, because they make me seem super-important, but I have never felt the darkness (and I'm ALL about my darkness) that they described. Because I have so much. I have people, in my life, on this site, in places I've yet to discover, that always made me feel the truth of success: an artist and an audience communicating. Communicating to the point of collaborating. I've thought, "maybe I'm over; maybe I've said my piece". But never with fear. Never with rancor. Because of y'all. Because you knew me when. If you think topping a box office record compares with someone telling you your work helped them through a rough time, you're probably new here. (For the record, and despite my inhuman distance from the joy-joy of it: topping a box office record is super-dope. I'm an alien, not a robot.) So this is me, saying thank you. All of you. You've taken as much guff for loving my work as I have for over-writing it, and you deserve, in this our time of streaming into the main, to crow. To glow. To crow and go "I told you so", to those Joe Blows not in the know. (LAST time I hire Dr. Seuss to punch my posts up. Yeesh!)"

5/10/2012 8:48:09 PM

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"There's also conflicting info as to whether or not he heals at a faster rate."

In the Captain America movie, they specifically say that he will heal faster. They don't say to what extent, except that he personally says that he can't get drunk.

They also say that the shield is vibranium (iirc 100%), which absorbs any and all vibrations or something like that. They don't specifically mention kinetic energy or reflecting it (Thor's strike was a mystery to me). I wish they had done a little explanation on why Cap's shield comes back to him almost every time, since he got zero training in shield throwing.

The connections that AxlBonBach posted above about Wolverine are pretty damn awesome, as well as the implication that Stark's father invented vibranium and left clues to it for Tony.

--

I did also want to say that the absolutely worst part of this movie were when Hawkeye flipped out his bow trying to look like a badass. Come on, son.

5/10/2012 10:49:30 PM

bring in Djimon Hounsou to play the Black Panther in Avengers 2: Avenge Harder

also:


[Edited on May 11, 2012 at 8:04 AM. Reason : i initially thought he might be too old, but he's only got a year on RDJ]

5/11/2012 7:49:21 AM

Saw it yesterday and loved it. I had one small stupid nitpicky problem with a line though...spoiler!!




I love one liners as much as the next guy, but the one after Coulson shoots Loki "so that's what it does" could have, and should have, totally been left out. The line just bothered me. Why out of the whole movie does THAT stick out? I dunno. But as soon as he said it I wished he hadn't. /rant





end spoiler

[Edited on May 11, 2012 at 8:30 AM. Reason : Oops]

5/11/2012 8:28:18 AM

^ There were a couple they could have left out...but yeah, that one was probably the worst.

I liked the one-liners, I just think they could have taken out 1/4 of them. It almost made it feel like a 1/2 comedy, 1/2 action film.

5/11/2012 8:38:05 AM

What in the hell is your problem with that line? I thought the movie had the perfect balance of comedy and action. That's one of its strengths!

5/11/2012 9:15:20 AM

you guys nitpick THE DUMBEST SHIT


ever read a comic book before? one liners are all over comic books and many are far worse than that...

5/11/2012 9:18:21 AM

And I agree with you. Good balance. Loved all the other one liners. I was chuckling more than any of the other folks in the theatre when I saw it yesterday (and I was the ONLY one to stay for the second credit scene--more chuckles!). That one was the only one that I didn't like. To me, it was better to see him get blasted across the room and cut to the next scene than have that line. To me.

I said it was nitpicky. I know that. I don't think I'd be able to explain it any better than acknowledging that i know it's nitpicky and that I just didn't like that one line.

And yes I've read a comic book...the comedy and action is what makes them so great. I just didn't like that one...and now that's all imma say about that.

Great movie...would see again

[Edited on May 11, 2012 at 9:23 AM. Reason : ]

5/11/2012 9:20:24 AM

To me, it tied into his extremely recent "I don't even know what it does" line when he was threatening Loki with it before he got stabbed. And given that Coulson was inches from death it not only was funny but poignant and completely within his slightly snarky, even-toned character.

5/11/2012 9:26:08 AM

Cool.

5/11/2012 9:30:50 AM

Regarding the powers or Captain america:
Remember this incarnation of the avengers is based on the Ultimate marvel universe. In the ultimate universe Cap's powers are way more than in the normal marvel universe. He is stronger faster and has better senses. I believe he even tangles with the Hulk successfully in the ultimates. Basically except for the X-mutants in the ultimate universe just about everyone's powers are related to the super soldier program somehow. That may be an exaggeration but is not too far off. If anything Cap was underpowered in his movie and the avengers.

5/11/2012 10:07:06 AM

Ultimate Yawn

5/11/2012 10:09:58 AM

What's the universe where Iron Man is an authoritative douche that takes it upon himself to enforce some no secret identity law? I picked up a couple of books in that universe and it's pretty lame. Not X-Men teenage WB drama lame, but lame nonetheless.

5/11/2012 11:45:39 AM

this thread is starting to derail...

5/11/2012 11:54:48 AM

^^ are you talking about the superhero registration act? that was the normal marvel universe. seems like there were hints of it in that final news sequence.

5/11/2012 12:03:37 PM

saw this last night... i'm not a comic book person, but I absolutely loved this movie (and have been impressed with the web of movies and tie-ins building up to this... i have a man-crush on robert downy jr's Tony Stark)

I too was confused about how the hulk suddenly got control... My best guess is that Bruce Banner had gained more control of it than he let on, except for the part when loki's staff seemed to be artificially creating anger between everyone on the heli-carrier thing.

[Edited on May 11, 2012 at 12:35 PM. Reason : ]

5/11/2012 12:34:05 PM

it'd be kinda cool to do civil war, but you'd need the whole marvel universe, including the portions that fox owns the rights too.

5/11/2012 12:54:24 PM

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"What in the hell is your problem with that line? I thought the movie had the perfect balance of comedy and action. That's one of its strengths!"

my problem with a lot of the liners is that they were predictable "hyuck hyuck" types and not clever at all

5/11/2012 1:14:07 PM

Disagree. Think we're done talking about that.

5/11/2012 1:19:09 PM