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"It's still not an excuse for me to assault that person. Confront them, demand they stop following me, sure. Not assault. As I said, this whole thing pretty much hinges on who threw that first punch."

I agree feeling persecuted and irritated isn't reason to assault someone, but it makes me want to "go easy" on them.

But I only think the first punch affects whether they go involuntary manslaughter or manslaughter/murder.

3/26/2012 10:43:48 PM

Incidentally a relevant chunk from the Florida laws per Wikipedia:

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"776.041 Use of force by aggressor. —The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who: (1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or (2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless: (a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or (b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force. "

Again, IANAL, but I read that as indicating that even if you successfully argue that following Tayvon was an escalation / aggression, that if he was clearly withdrawing, he can claim self defense.

As to why he hasn't been arrested yet, again I believe Wikipedia again can shed some light:

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"776.032 Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.— (1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant. (2) A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful. (3) The court shall award reasonable attorney’s fees, court costs, compensation for loss of income, and all expenses incurred by the defendant in defense of any civil action brought by a plaintiff if the court finds that the defendant is immune from prosecution as provided in subsection (1)."

My guess is the police did not determine that "there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful." And legally there may not be if 2b from the first quote above applies. I'd argue otherwise, as I'm sure most people here would, but I have incomplete information as well. I suppose (assuming that there isn't probable cause the use of force was unlawful) the question is whether an involuntary manslaughter prosecution would be prosecuting the use of force, or prosecuting the actions which lead to the need for the use of force.

3/26/2012 11:00:23 PM

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"He would really need to come up with some very convincing articulation of why and what crime he believed Tayvon had or would commit."

Well on the 911 call he says both "He's looking at all the houses" and something like "He's grabbing for something in his waistband."

both of which smell like extremely smelly horse shit that he made up.

3/26/2012 11:42:15 PM

Or just normal actions that, when done by a Black person, become suspicious criminal activity.

3/26/2012 11:48:20 PM

yes


i guess i meant more that his tone was horse shit.

he was clearly trying to get the go-ahead to pursue the kid by insinuating to 911 that the kid was scoping out houses to rob and reaching for a gun.

[Edited on March 26, 2012 at 11:51 PM. Reason : .]

3/26/2012 11:50:03 PM

^^I know. Look at all those whites judging that black behavior. Aren't whites such fucking assholes?


I see none of you have ever experienced burglaries. I have. And I welcome the next one. The perpetrator will not survive . No matter the skin color

[Edited on March 27, 2012 at 12:07 AM. Reason : ,]

3/27/2012 12:06:02 AM

Again with the hyperbole.

Give it a rest, will you?

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"Well it looks like he was judging the guy based on prejudice."

"OH SO YOU'RE JUST ARGUING FOR THE HOLOCAUST OF THE ENTIRE WHITE RACE AREN'T YOU? YOU BASTARD WHY DON'T YOU JUST SHOOT EVERY WHITE PERSON IN THE STREET I AM SURE THAT WILL MAKE YOU HAPPY."

[Edited on March 27, 2012 at 12:26 AM. Reason : ]

3/27/2012 12:26:02 AM

And the black skin and the white latino who is white and the looking at black people who commit crime a disproportionate amount and the judging of the entire race because of that and the natural caucasian racism evident in every facet of our society and the black race is under attack rev jackson and we will occupy the white police station and the latino gangs who shoot blacks who are white latinos and why the constant judging of the black people and the skin color preference and the racial profiling and the percentages of crime and the percent of population vs amount of crime committed per capita and the police brutality and the all cops are white and hate blacks and the latinos hate them too and the latinos are white hispanic and not hispanic hispanic and the percent of kids born into poverty and the chances of committing crime due to race and income and the race profiling and most whites think that blacks and so do white hispanics and the attack due to pigment of skin and the fury and rage and the hate and the boiling and everybody and all their opinions based on 0-0.1% fact

3/27/2012 12:38:48 AM

wow unfuckingreadable.

3/27/2012 12:46:50 AM

And the black and the color and dark and the skin and shooting and violent crime rates in african american communities and the latinos and the white hispanics and the murder and the causing the crime and the hostility because of skin color and the constant policing and the video evidence that beyond a doubt proves whites are all racists and the hoodies and the sagging pants and the mohawks and the skateboarding with the tea and skittles and the gang violence with 10 murders in chicago just this weekend and the la white hispanic gangs and the wanting racial crimes to expose whites and the white hispanics and the blacks and the angry and everybody angry and black panthers promising revenge

3/27/2012 12:54:58 AM

I think we broke him...

3/27/2012 1:10:54 AM

^Hahaha

I can't stop laughing at this.

[Edited on March 27, 2012 at 1:16 AM. Reason : .]

3/27/2012 1:14:38 AM

hes like that old discman where ESP doesnt seem to do anything.

3/27/2012 5:59:38 AM

The truth comes out Martin is not as innocent as he first seems. He was actually on suspension from his Miami High School for 10 days after a bookbag inspection found a bag containing marijuana residue.

3/27/2012 8:57:56 AM

Therefore shoot him!

3/27/2012 9:07:46 AM

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"The truth comes out Martin is not as innocent as he first seems. He was actually on suspension from his Miami High School for 10 days after a bookbag inspection found a bag containing marijuana residue."

What is the point of this, again? How does that have any bearing on Zimmerman regarding him as suspicious?

3/27/2012 9:14:33 AM

Everyone meet Str8foolish the sedentary couch potato that will believe anything the hysterical masses and media will say.

3/27/2012 9:19:20 AM

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"What sparky is having a horrible time conveying is how the aggressor in a conflict can change."

thanks for clearing that up

3/27/2012 9:31:32 AM

To be clear:

On the issue of regarding Martin with suspicion, it is entirely irrelevant what Zimmerman's race is. He could be white, latino, asian, black, whatever. The problem here is that he automatically assumed Martin was suspicious and, as police and 911 operators have reported, and the phone logs indicate, this was almost undoubtably because he was black.

It doesn't matter if Martin smoked weed or crack or anything, there was no indication of that when Zimmerman decided he was suspicious. All Martin had on his person was iced tea and skittles and a hoodie, the most ubiquitous form of the sweater in America. He appeared suspicious to Zimmerman because he was black, which is what Zimmerman himself says in so many words. It also matters that the police chose not to thoroughly investigate the incident until after it turned into a national media firestorm. Had a black man shot a little white girl in a gated community, he would have been down at the station being thoroughly questioned, if not booked, within 24 hours. These indications of racism are not an isolated trait of the individuals involved, it's an obvious outcome of a larger societal issue.

Bringing up race in this discussion isn't for shaming any particular group like whites or latinos. The racism is prevalent in our media, justice system, and culture in one large feedback cycle. Blacks are disproportionately portrayed as criminal in television, movies, and news programming, blowing their perceived criminality far beyond the reality. This leads to disproportionate targeted enforcement against them (but rarely for them), which leads to disproportionate prison populations, all of which is then further amplified by media again. Not to mention the effects of this racism engine on hiring and job retention for blacks, leading to more poverty, thus crime, further legitimizing the actions of the police. It's one big cyclical feedback mechanism.

That the police would have investigated more thoroughly had Trayvon been white or Zimmerman been black, that Zimmerman's suspicions were based in racism (which he said himself in so many words on the 911 calls), that some elements are reaching into Trayvon's past to try and prove he was not a 100% innocent angel (Though these do nothing to prove he was suspicious). These are pretty obvious instances of the effects of a culture of racism, and pointing them out is not an indictment against individuals or races (such as whites), but an indictment of the social, juridical and economic systems of oppression perpetuated by racism in the media, law enforcement, and business.


[Edited on March 27, 2012 at 10:07 AM. Reason : .]

3/27/2012 9:52:09 AM

It's worth mentioning the absolute economic-necessity for some communities of housing huge prison populations (scoring state dollars for an otherwise useless, small settlement). And the political necessity (for some) of disproportionately disenfranchising black-voters, and the economic effects of the changed census counts piping an inappropriate amount of funding to inner cities, and so on and so on.

Libertarians will argue on and on about the prison-industrial complex and the economic interests tied up in it when it comes to the drug war (my weeds...), but start to talk about the systematic disenfranchisement of blacks and how this leads to generational gaps in wealth and opportunity, and suddenly there aren't many libertarians left in the room except the libertarian left (*raises hand*)

It's almost like the principles extend only so far as cult of property (and sometimes "traditional values") allows

[Edited on March 27, 2012 at 10:02 AM. Reason : .]

3/27/2012 9:59:07 AM

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"It doesn't matter if Martin smoked weed or crack or anything, there was no indication of that when Zimmerman decided he was suspicious. All Martin had on his person was iced tea and skittles and a hoodie, the most ubiquitous form of the sweater in America. He appeared suspicious to Zimmerman because he was black, which is what Zimmerman himself says in so many words. It also matters that the police chose not to thoroughly investigate the incident until after it turned into a national media firestorm. Had a black man shot a little white girl in a gated community, he would have been down at the station being thoroughly questioned, if not booked, within 24 hours. These indications of racism are not an isolated trait of the individuals involved, it's an obvious outcome of a larger societal issue."

i think what you are trying to say is that Zimmerman profiled Martin. i don't think anyone is objecting to that. profiling is common and it's natural. we all make decisions based on our experiences whether it's right or wrong. regardless profiling is not illegal. it's unfortunate that the black community has this stereotype of gangs and violence around them, but it's undoubtedly there and for good reason.

secondly, your comparison of the black man shooting a young white girl is a very bad comparison.

3/27/2012 10:18:29 AM

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"i think what you are trying to say is that Zimmerman profiled Martin. i don't think anyone is objecting to that. profiling is common and it's natural. we all make decisions based on our experiences whether it's right or wrong. regardless profiling is not illegal. it's unfortunate that the black community has this stereotype of gangs and violence around them, but it's undoubtedly there and for good reason."

Read my post again. It is not for "for good reason" but the exact fucking opposite.

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"secondly, your comparison of the black man shooting a young white girl is a very bad comparison."

Why? The point is to demonstrate that the very PROFILING you think is justified has very, very real effects on what crimes are investigated and what aren't. You can't conveniently invoke the "naturalness" of profiling when defending Zimmerman, then subsequently disavow profiling as a factor in the actions of the police in choosing not to more thoroughly investigate an adult shooting an unarmed teenager. That profiling just further proves my point above that racism become self-reinforcing by actually affecting the degree to which blacks and whites are subject to scrutiny by the justice system.

[Edited on March 27, 2012 at 10:24 AM. Reason : .]

3/27/2012 10:24:06 AM

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" it's unfortunate that the black community has this stereotype of gangs and violence around them, but it's undoubtedly there and for good reason."

that is bullshit fear mongering, and probably the mentality that got this kid shot in the first place.

3/27/2012 10:25:29 AM

Yup, dead-fucking-on.

3/27/2012 10:26:02 AM

Everybody hates the truth. I'm very sorry to post factual information. I tried to hold off as long as possible.




Yay, now I'm going to be called a racist fear mongering asshole douche for posting facts about the world we live in.

[Edited on March 27, 2012 at 11:04 AM. Reason : ,]

3/27/2012 11:02:51 AM

^you racist asshole. i'll fucking blow your white cracker brains out if i ever meet you for posting that information about violent criminals as reported.

[Edited on March 27, 2012 at 11:05 AM. Reason : ,]

3/27/2012 11:04:56 AM

Obviously we can only conclude that this is because they are black and not because of any other socioeconomic issues.

Seriously, you wouldn't say any of the shit you say on here if we were in a face to face discussion as opposed to online. You're just getting a charge out of being a dickbag because you won't get your ass kicked. Do your friends know that you're like this, or are they the same sort of frightened suburban pussies you are?

3/27/2012 11:11:54 AM

YAY HERE COME THE PERSONAL THREATS FOR POSTING CHARTS

THAT WASNT PREDICTABLE

3/27/2012 11:14:45 AM

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"Read my post again. It is not for "for good reason" but the exact fucking opposite."

i say for "good reason" simply because its backed up by facts that African American commit the majority of violent crimes in America. That can not be disputed and it simply reflects the personal experiences that Mr. Zimmerman has had, thus his "profiling" nature. I'm not saying its right, I'm speaking from a purely scientific perspective.

Also, the reason I say your comparison is not good is because it would be much more difficult for a grown black male to use "self defense" as a defense for killing an unarmed white girl in comparison to a white male using "self-defense" as a defense for killing a black male. Again, the general perception is that woman are weaker then mean. You should have use a black male killing a white male in your scenario. that wold have made more sense.

3/27/2012 11:14:58 AM

^

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"pussy ass cracker "

3/27/2012 11:22:39 AM

There is absolutely nothing scientific about a stereotype. Generalizing a statistic down to the level of the individual is just dumb, inaccurate, and meaningless - even a rudimentary understanding of statistics would tell you that.
Fact of the matter is the majority of african americans are involved in no form or fashion of crime whatsoever.



bullshit fear mongering. Go back to The Garage. Seriously, that type of mentality is EXACTLY why guns should be kept out if your hands.

[Edited on March 27, 2012 at 11:26 AM. Reason : l]

3/27/2012 11:24:13 AM

blackness is a threat. with the rap music and the brain damage and hip hop and gang bangin.

3/27/2012 11:24:47 AM

3/27/2012 11:26:34 AM

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"Fact of the matter is the majority of african americans are involved in no form or fashion of crime whatsoever."

i agree with that 100% but unfortunately that's not the statistic that many who profile a 6'2" young man wearing a hoodie and acting suspicious would harp on. i never said profiling was right, just that it's human nature. profiling applies to all races and cultures whether it's the middle eastern looking man who is acting suspicious in an airport, to the strung out skinny white person with long scraggly hair and missing teeth to the Asian man in engineering. the fact of the matter is that due to pop-culture, media images of black gang bangers, violence in rap music and prisons and jails filled with black people does nothing but reinforce the stereotypes that promotes the profiling. it sucks big time, especially for those black americans who "break the mold" of that stereotype, but it doesn't change that fact that it happens.

3/27/2012 11:34:54 AM

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"i say for "good reason" simply because its backed up by facts that African American commit the majority of violent crimes in America."

False, blacks have the highest rate of violent crime, but if you multiply the rates out by their respective populations, whites still commit more in raw numbers.

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"That can not be disputed and it simply reflects the personal experiences that Mr. Zimmerman has had, thus his "profiling" nature. I'm not saying its right, I'm speaking from a purely scientific perspective."

If you're being truly scientific then you'd recognize that unequal enforcement (which is extreme and heavily documented) would have an amplifying effect on those rates. How does it affect those rates that whites are far less likely to have their car searched, despite being equally likely to possess or distribute drugs? Then, they are less likely to be arrested? Then, less likely to be convicted? Then, more likely to receive reduced sentences? How does all that affect the communities those inmates were once a part of? How does that cycle back into crime again?

In short, you're not being scientific at all, because you're making no effort whatsoever to gauge the dozens of other variables that ultimate feed into crime rates.

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"Also, the reason I say your comparison is not good is because it would be much more difficult for a grown black male to use "self defense" as a defense for killing an unarmed white girl in comparison to a white male using "self-defense" as a defense for killing a black male. Again, the general perception is that woman are weaker then mean. You should have use a black male killing a white male in your scenario. that wold have made more sense."

All you're pointing out here is that another stereotype would be at play which is equally unfounded. There's a litany of psychological studies showing that women are actually more likely to respond to stressful situations with physical violence. Just because a woman is physical weaker also does not mean she can't have a gun or weapon that makes her just as dangerous as a man.

3/27/2012 11:37:28 AM

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"..... and for good reason"

Did you forget that you actually typed thia out or something? That is drastically different than simply claiming that stereotypes exist.

3/27/2012 11:38:24 AM

again, as i said before, that comment is based on the stereotypical nature of humans. maybe you misinterpreted what i meant by my comment. it was not to mean that profiling was ethically right, just that it's backed up by psychology.

3/27/2012 11:41:01 AM

Both you and pack_bryan aren't acknowledging that, despite the stereotype being based on a higher ate of crime, that rate of crime is itself inflated by unbalanced enforcement, arrest, and conviction.

Further, neither of you acknowledge that the representation of criminality, presented in news and media, is EVEN MORE lopsided than the actual crimes rates. That is, the percentage of stories in news, television, and movies that feature blacks as criminals, drug addicts, and impoverished is far higher than those rates are in reality. That provokes greater suspicion, greater prejudice, and at the end of the line, greater incarceration.

In other words, you're citing the end result (high incarceration rates) of a racist system as evidence that the system is not racist. I'm sure there were people like you in Soviet Russia using similar reasoning to justify the mass-shipping of "criminals" to work camps. Well, they're in the work camps, so they MUST be criminals, therefore they deserve to be in work camps!

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"maybe you misinterpreted what i meant by my comment. it was not to mean that profiling was ethically right, just that it's backed up by psychology."

Yes, no fucking duh. Now, tell me, how do you think humans psychologically process a world where every source of media tells them that blacks are pimps, crackheads, murderers, or all three, in proportion far greater than reality? Do you think people might naturally develop an inflated perception of those traits in blacks? If you think blacks actually commit the majority of violent crime, you've been watching way too much television.

Is it really so hard to see that profiling itself becomes self-justifying, as the outcome of profiling is lopsided enforcement?

[Edited on March 27, 2012 at 11:52 AM. Reason : .]

3/27/2012 11:42:54 AM

Not long ago, you claimed:

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" i say for "good reason" simply because its backed up by facts that African American commit the majority of violent crimes in America."

Now it's psychology?

[Edited on March 27, 2012 at 11:45 AM. Reason : Just quit, dude.]

3/27/2012 11:44:30 AM

you can argue whatever you want. but stop saying whites harbor some animosity towards blacks b/c of 'how they look'.


As a number of analysts have begun to notice, blacks are about 50 times more likely to commit violent crimes against whites than whites are to commit violent crimes against blacks. Like the Sentencing Project’s “1 in 3” number, this “50 to 1” statistic is technically correct. If you divide the total number of black-on-white violent crimes (1.29 million) by the number of black males age 20 to 29 in the population (3.94 million), you get a ratio equal to 1,013 violent crimes against whites per 10,000 young black males. If you do the same calculation for the total number of white-on-black crimes (186,000) divided by the total number of twenty-something white males (22.9 million), you get a ratio of 17.6 violent crimes committed by whites against blacks for every 10,000 young white males. Thus, the incidence of interracial black-on-white violent crime by young black males (1,013) is 57.5 times the incidence of interracial white-on-black crime by young white males (17.6). Using different denominators (for example, white versus black males age 15 to 29) moves the statistic down a bit (in the example given, to 48 to 1). But it clusters around “50 to 1.”

As the Sentencing Project boasts, “the report has had a major impact in the media and among policymakers.” Oddly, however, its “major impact” has been to divert attention from the big truth that one in three young black males is under correctional supervision because young black male rates of serious crime are so high. Instead it has focused attention on the half-truths and outright distortions long purveyed by the Sentencing Project, other anti-incarceration advocacy groups, and their funders and allies in the drug legalization movement, the liberal foundations, the politically correct universities.... The mantra goes like this: how shameful to America that one in three young black males is in custody . . . most of those in custody are in for petty drug crimes . . . revolving-door justice is a right-wing myth . . . the justice system is racist . . . America has been on an imprisonment binge . . . prisons don’t cut crime in the least . . . imprisonment is not only an ineffective response to crime but a racist one.

[Edited on March 27, 2012 at 11:46 AM. Reason : -]

3/27/2012 11:44:51 AM

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"If you divide the total number of black-on-white violent crimes (1.29 million) by the number of black males age 20 to 29 in the population (3.94 million)"

Lol you could only get this kind of sloppy statistical logic on stormfront.org, I'm positive of it.

Since everything in your post stems from such a faulty methodology, I'll let you redo the math and revise your statements. As a sidenote, how do you think factors like this: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1352947/Black-drug-offenders-times-likely-jailed-whites.html affect those statistics?

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"you can argue whatever you want. but stop saying whites harbor some animosity towards blacks b/c of 'how they look'. "

Nobody's said that. Racism affects everyone, regardless of their race. Latinos, Asians, and even blacks themselves profile as well, it's not unique to white people. White people just benefit from it through reduced competition for jobs and reduced accountability for their own crimes. Most white people who aren't blatantly, openly, proudly racist are moreso victims of the media that hides the true state of race in America from them, and so develop intuitions and perceptions about race that are detached from reality. The only people who should feel guilty are the ones who recognize these factors but continue to consciously perpetuate them (active racists), or try to sweep them under the rug/pretend they don't exist so as to ensure the preservation of their privilege (racists of convenience).


[Edited on March 27, 2012 at 12:09 PM. Reason : .]

3/27/2012 11:49:50 AM

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"Yes, no fucking duh. Now, tell me, how do you think humans psychologically process a world where every source of media tells them that blacks are pimps, crackheads, murderers, or all three, in proportion far greater than reality? Do you think people might naturally develop an inflated perception of those traits in blacks?"

definitely. i believe that we (you, me and a majority or people debating on this forum) are intelligent enough to understand that the way the stereotypical black male is portrayed in pop-culture is biased. unfortunately many people do not understand this, and thus the stereotype is perpetuated.

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"Now it's psychology?"

most definitely!! for example, when people see statistics showing that the majority or incarcerated people are black, the stereotype is reinforced, even though the scenerios which have put those people in jail may have been biased against them due to their color, just as Str8Foolish has illustrated. i feel like we are arguing the same point here.

3/27/2012 11:56:09 AM

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"you can argue whatever you want. but stop saying whites harbor some animosity towards blacks b/c of 'how they look'. "

that's bullshit!! humans in general make an unconscious judgement call on every single person they encounter based on their appearance and body language. and it's not just black people!!

[Edited on March 27, 2012 at 12:00 PM. Reason : ..]

3/27/2012 11:58:40 AM

I'm not convinced you even know what you're arguing. you keep contradicting yourself.


FWIW, I have a masters in a psychology related degree. Are you sure you want to sit there telling me how people think?

3/27/2012 12:14:14 PM

quick illustration of stereotypes. list the first word that comes to your mind when looking at these pictures...

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3/27/2012 12:15:43 PM

^^WOAH, NOW!

BADASS IN DA HOUSE!

[Edited on March 27, 2012 at 12:16 PM. Reason : .]

3/27/2012 12:15:48 PM

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"FWIW, I have a masters in a psychology related degree. Are you sure you want to sit there telling me how people think?"

dude i'm not trying to argue with you. being that you are well educated in this field I would assume that you have a better understanding of how individual experiences shape a persons prejudices then i do. all i have been trying to say is that creating prejudices and stereotypes is human nature.

3/27/2012 12:19:24 PM

It's more than personal experiences, mass media allows a culture to implant the impacts of personal experiences vicariously. Even if a person in America never sees a black person, in person, in their whole life, television and news coverage will convey a reality that's massively more lopsided than it really is. It's been shown that actual exposure to other races in the workplace or school lead to marked decreases in those prejudices.

3/27/2012 12:23:19 PM

Yes, again we are all aware that stereotypes exist.


That statement is markedely different from saying stereotypes in this case have any validity or basis in fact, sceience, or even common sense.
Stereotypes are indeed learned phenomenon, but that is not to say they are natural psychological events. Aside from and implicit association about race, most people also posses an method of inhibition keeping them from acting on irrational stereotypes. I.E., that little thing that should have went off in Zimmerman's head saying "nah....he's probably just a normal guy that got caught out in the rain."

3/27/2012 12:27:47 PM

^^^

agreed! i was counting viewing such media as an experience as well. i'm sorry if i was confusing with my comment "with good reason". what i was trying to convey is there that is a psychological basis for the prejudices that Zimmerman holds. is it ethical...no. is it real....very much so.

[Edited on March 27, 2012 at 12:29 PM. Reason : ^]

3/27/2012 12:29:22 PM