Yeah, considering the number of things that require ID I have not problem logically or ideologically requiring a government issued ID in order to vote. Legally speaking it's probably a slightly more difficult sell, but if it's free and readily available it's hard to say that it somehow limits people's franchise.

5/20/2012 2:27:09 PM

The problem is the current bill proposed would not nearly adequately fund anything close to free and readily available. The number of North Carolinians who are registered voters and who don't have a license numbers in the hundreds of thousands, and are disproportionately people of color and low income voters. It'd also be a kind of ratty thing to change the rules of the game in the middle of the game, as in changing the voting laws between a primary and general election. If they're going to push such a law, it should be well in advance of an election season, be very well funded to make sure IDs are free and readily available, and be accepting of a lot more types of IDs. We've seen a lot states that were taken over the in 2010 GOP sweep issue laws saying you can't use a college student ID to vote, but you can use a gun license.

[Edited on May 20, 2012 at 2:47 PM. Reason : .]

5/20/2012 2:46:35 PM

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"The number of North Carolinians who are registered voters and who don't have a license numbers in the hundreds of thousands"

I doubt this is true. I'm going to have to see some evidence to support this. We have fewer than 10 million people in this state, and of them only about 7 million are even of legal voting age, so you're claiming that somewhere at least 1 in 70 of them don't have a state ID like a drivers license. I find that difficult to believe.

However, I do agree that a voter ID bill, if enacted should come well in advance of a major election and have an extremely long phase in period. It's not unreasonable to require some kind of proof of identity before allowing someone to exercise franchise.

An ID card currently costs $10 (however you can get one for free in certain cases). I would have no problem if they raised the cost of a drivers license to $100 to pay for free ID cards nor would I have any issue with expanding the type of ID accepted provided it is a state or federally issued ID.

5/20/2012 7:55:33 PM

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"If they're going to push such a law, it should be well in advance of an election season, be very well funded to make sure IDs are free and readily available"

this. I'm talking like maybe 4 or 5 years. enough time that people who are going to vote will be peppered with it a couple times so they can't claim ignorance.

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"The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People today released a resolution supporting marriage equality."

of course. Democrats have to get those blacks back in line. how dare blacks have their own opinion on something. they are supposed to do exactly what the Democratic establishment tells them to do.

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"The mission of the NAACP has always been to ensure the political, social and economic equality of all people"

Coming from an organization whose name includes "advancement of coloured people," that's a fucking riot.

[Edited on May 20, 2012 at 10:08 PM. Reason : ]

5/20/2012 10:07:02 PM

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"of course. Democrats have to get those blacks back in line. how dare blacks have their own opinion on something. they are supposed to do exactly what the Democratic establishment tells them to do."

Right now the NAACP officially supports marriage equality. The Democratic Party officially does not.

5/20/2012 10:13:18 PM

of course they do. because their Democratic puppet-masters told them to do so

5/20/2012 10:14:21 PM

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"An ID card currently costs $10 (however you can get one for free in certain cases). I would have no problem if they raised the cost of a drivers license to $100 to pay for free ID cards nor would I..."

100 bones for a friggin drivers license? screw that... if somebody wants to vote, honestly they should at least fork over $10 bucks. i pay plenty enough in taxes and fees to legally drive thank you very much.

5/20/2012 11:57:49 PM

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"if somebody wants to vote, honestly they should at least fork over $10 bucks pay the poll tax."

Fixed it for you.

5/21/2012 10:28:21 AM

People will fight fiercely over the illusion of choice, apparently. Our precious, God-given right to vote for this year's corporate-sponsored bullshit peddler.

[Edited on May 21, 2012 at 10:50 AM. Reason : ]

5/21/2012 10:50:47 AM

Quote :

"I doubt this is true. I'm going to have to see some evidence to support this. We have fewer than 10 million people in this state, and of them only about 7 million are even of legal voting age, so you're claiming that somewhere at least 1 in 70 of them don't have a state ID like a drivers license. I find that difficult to believe."

This article is from February 2011, so it's possible that there's a more updated study; however:

http://www.wral.com/news/local/politics/story/9059843/

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"An analysis by the State Board of Elections obtained Friday by WRAL News shows that at least 700,000 registered voters in the state don't have a driver's license or photo ID issued by the Division of Motor Vehicles."

5/21/2012 12:37:10 PM

if that's true, you're looking at more than 1 out of 10 registered voters who don't have a state issued ID.


I'm in favor of the ID thing. although I would modify it to allow other types of photo ID than one issued by DMV.

5/21/2012 12:54:35 PM

That is absolutely shocking to me. How in the world do that many people not have a drivers license or ID? That is legitimately shocking to me.

5/21/2012 1:56:46 PM

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"of course they do. because their Democratic puppet-masters told them to do so"

Oh hey, it's that classic white conservative view that black people are soulless, agency-less golems that fulfill the wishes of anyone who hands them food stamps (A trick that doesn't work on white people).

5/21/2012 2:39:28 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=d2n7vSPwhSU

5/21/2012 6:10:07 PM

[Edited on May 23, 2012 at 2:20 AM. Reason : keep that shit out of TSB. -theduke866]

5/23/2012 2:08:16 AM

^^^ now to be fair, the trick doesn't work quite the same on white people...

or, at least there is a whole helluva lot more correlation between GOP alignment and poor whites than there is with GOP alignment and poor blacks.

[Edited on May 23, 2012 at 2:20 AM. Reason : remember, you guys always complain about poor whites "voting against their own self interests"]

5/23/2012 2:19:41 AM

@eyewall41

Wow. So he's basically going with a slower version of Hitler's plan for homosexuals.

5/23/2012 7:53:48 PM

hitler was definitely againt it

i saw a member of the congregation on tv defending his pastor. he said that it was "taken out of context", and that he "loves all people"

[Edited on May 23, 2012 at 8:06 PM. Reason : ]

5/23/2012 7:55:45 PM

Holy moly the wall bumper on anderson cooper from that church is a keeper.

5/23/2012 8:45:35 PM

The Anderson Cooper interview:
http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/23/church-member-defends-pastor-worley/?hpt=ac_t1&fb_source=message

There are not enough facepalms for this!

5/24/2012 11:36:02 AM

Though too late, I'm pretty sure I convinced my mother (a staunch conservative) to be against this amendment. My dad just got pissed and was like, "you've got to have a definition of marriage and that definition has to be a man and a woman. What's next, a man marrying a goat?" Then I said, "Is a goat an adult who can legally consent to a contract?" Then he stormed out and went to bed. Pretty sure I got to him, but he won't change his mind.

5/24/2012 11:43:00 AM

I think before long I'm either going to kill myself or start a church, or just stop caring. Or maybe just move out of the south.

[Edited on May 24, 2012 at 11:48 AM. Reason : .]

5/24/2012 11:44:35 AM

The uu churches, the episcopal churches, and some others were largely against it.

5/24/2012 1:13:37 PM

Quote :

"“Feed ’em, and you know what?” Worley said. “In a few years, they’ll die. Do you know why? They can’t reproduce.”"

Much unlike when they aren't fenced in ...

5/24/2012 2:35:12 PM

Quote :

"My dad just got pissed and was like, "you've got to have a definition of marriage and that definition has to be a man and a woman. What's next, a man marrying a goat?" Then I said, "Is a goat an adult who can legally consent to a contract?" Then he stormed out and went to bed. Pretty sure I got to him, but he won't change his mind."

That's close to exactly how my father was about this whole thing. The "marriage has always been one man and one woman" mantra....

I still marvel how a mainstream Christian church like the episcopal church can embrace marriage equality, yet our supposed equal before the law government creates and reinforces such relagations to not entirely separate and most certainly NOT equal!

5/24/2012 4:43:12 PM

Thank God the Mormons weren't as big during the post-Civil War or the 15th amendment might not have passed due to assaulting their religious beliefs...

5/25/2012 11:58:59 AM

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"I still marvel how a mainstream Christian church like the episcopal church can embrace marriage equality, yet our supposed equal before the law government creates and reinforces such relagations to not entirely separate and most certainly NOT equal!"

clearly "mainstream" doesn't mean what you think it means in the South or America at large. Oh wait, my mistake, this has nothing to do with religion, it was just human nature.

[Edited on May 25, 2012 at 1:38 PM. Reason : .]

5/25/2012 1:38:15 PM

Wasn't sure if this picture had made its way into this thread yet. It's a precinct by precinct breakdown, so it's a little more informative than a county by county breakdown.

It still doesn't reflect the high population density in those precincts that voted against which contain a lot of the state's population. In fact, more population density means a smaller precinct I believe to keep them somewhat equal in population size.

Wake County had more against voters than any other county in the state. Good job Raleigh.

[Edited on May 26, 2012 at 10:49 PM. Reason : .]

5/26/2012 10:48:59 PM

What's that swath on Johnston county that was against?

5/28/2012 11:56:20 AM

Wilson Mills is rivaling Asheville as the San Fran of the East

5/28/2012 12:38:49 PM

have fun ripping apart these 5 reasons christians CANNOT accept homos:

http://davesterrett.com/2012/05/why-we-cannot-accept-homosexuality/

5/30/2012 4:37:42 PM

Best one is you are more likely to commit suicide. I wonder why that is? Surely it isn't because you're surrounded by hateful fucks.

5/30/2012 5:32:17 PM

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" Over a lifetime, 74% of male homosexuals have more than 100 partners; half of these strangers. 28% report more than a thousand partners."

Wtf.

5/30/2012 5:41:51 PM

^^So why is their suicide rate just as bad, or worse, in all the supportive places (like San Fran) where they are surrounded with affirmation?

[Edited on May 30, 2012 at 5:43 PM. Reason : d]

5/30/2012 5:42:42 PM

i think it's pretty obvious, but just because they live in a more gay-friendly town doesn't mean they still don't encounter hatefull jerks. or that it change how their family and former friends view them.

5/30/2012 5:53:49 PM

^^^ oh, that was from the Family Research Council.

I'm sure they adhered to the utmost standards for scientific research and have their results thoroughly peer reviewed.

5/30/2012 7:10:26 PM

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"but the majority of people in the USA diagnosed with AIDS have contacted it through homosexual activity and/or IV drug use (82% in 2009)."

Haha, what? Are teh gays big heroine users, too? I'm rather confused as to why they'd lump those two together.

5/30/2012 7:28:07 PM

Damn shame he's homophobic.

5/30/2012 10:54:52 PM

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"What's that swath on Johnston county that was against?"

Probably Clayton, most people that live there work in Raleigh area, they just commute to save money on housing.

5/30/2012 11:57:21 PM

^^
Just look at him. Obviously closet, amirite?

5/31/2012 8:56:22 AM

10/10/2014 10:51:50 PM

Can we all agree that anti-gay bigots can go suck a dick?

[Edited on October 11, 2014 at 12:55 AM. Reason : ]

10/11/2014 12:55:32 AM

Agreed!

10/11/2014 12:58:14 AM

Really surprised Supplanter hasn't been around here gloating.
At least people can finally shut the fuck up about this complete non-issue.

10/11/2014 12:58:51 AM

Non-issue for me, non-issue for you (I'm making some assumptions about your sexual orientation here), but for a not insignificant people it was a bit of an issue.

I look forward to the soon to come gay divorces and the legal strife that ensues. Hopefully we can just eliminate marriage as a legal institution entirely one day, but until then...

10/11/2014 1:26:25 AM

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"Hopefully we can just eliminate marriage as a legal institution entirely one day, but until then..."

It would make a lot of this shit go away. The state has no business dabbling in a religious institution anyway.

10/11/2014 1:35:14 AM

marriage != religious institution.

It was a institution of civilizations before religions took over.

10/11/2014 2:19:22 AM

Right. It's a social institution, which may or may not have a religious component.

10/11/2014 2:41:36 AM

But at least it's made Facebook and GOLO comments fun(ny) to read.

I'm sure the Thom Tillis apologists can explain to the class why taxpayers are rightly footing the bill for the California lawyer he and Phil Berger hired to keep fighting this nonsense to the tune of$400 an hour...

10/11/2014 9:16:15 AM

How do Republicans not get that the same sex marriage battle is a loser for them? In 10 or 15 years, it will be a political deal breaker in the majority of congressional districts.

10/11/2014 4:04:51 PM