You'd be mistaken.

I'm a political nihilist

8/16/2017 1:23:27 AM

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"Texas university cancels white supremacist rally AFP | Published — Tuesday 15 August 2017 CHICAGO: A Texas university canceled Monday a planned white supremacist rally on its campus next month, citing safety concerns following the deadly violence at a rally in Virginia at the weekend. Texas A&M University, one of the most prestigious public colleges in the United States, scrapped a September 11 rally at which known white supremacist leader Richard Spencer was scheduled to speak. Spencer was one of the leading figures in a rally that saw hundreds of white supremacists gather Saturday in the town of Charlottesville, triggering violence that left one person dead and 19 others injured. The university’s decision to cancel the event came after it emerged that organizers were billing the event as “Today Charlottesville, Tomorrow Texas A&M.” “Linking the tragedy of Charlottesville with the Texas A&M event creates a major security risk on our campus,” the university said in a statement. Spencer has asked sympathizers to invite him to speak on campuses, and he has been invited to speak at the University of Florida on September 12, although authorities have yet to give their approval. In an open letter to students, University of Florida president Kent Fuchs indicated how the college was torn over whether to give the event the green light. “For many in our community, including myself, this speaker’s presence would be deeply disturbing,” Fuchs wrote, before adding that “we must follow the law, upholding the First Amendment not to discriminate based on content and provide access to a public space.”"

8/16/2017 2:37:41 AM

i think we can all agree that was a prudent move

8/16/2017 2:44:07 AM

socialism is an economic system. the economic system didnt slaughter people, the authoritarian government did. woops.

8/16/2017 3:20:17 AM

whhhhhooooooooooo are these students who are inviting Spencer to speak on their campuses? (campii?)

8/16/2017 3:30:05 AM

“Yes, You're Racist” (twitter account) is exposing the white supremacists who marched in Charlottesville.
https://www.facebook.com/ajplusenglish/videos/1024310397710467/

(and it has resulted in job firings and being disowned by family)


A former FBI agent who infiltrated white supremacist groups speaks out on why they're a growing danger.
https://www.facebook.com/ajplusenglish/videos/1024026641072176/

Why do white Supremacists love Bashar al Assad?
https://www.facebook.com/ajplusenglish/videos/1023923091082531/

[Edited on August 16, 2017 at 4:43 AM. Reason : ]

8/16/2017 4:36:38 AM

once again, mainstream american society (including most of the left) only have a problem with racism when its blatant, slap you in the face racism. Anything shy of nazis marching in the street or kkk in robes burning crosses or waving conferate flags is AOK

8/16/2017 5:41:26 AM

You're wrong (and ignorant -- but in this case only wrong matters).

8/16/2017 7:40:38 AM

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"This tired old nonsense. I heard the same bull shit lies when i was in college well over a decade ago. So a white guy who hates blacks in the US is racist, but he moves to Japan (still hates blacks) but is no longer a racist because he no longer has power right."

Yes. You'd still be a bigot, but not a necessarily racist. Ironically, some argument could be made that you could be a victim of racism in Japan.

Glad we cleared this up, see how a college education can elevate your troglodyte level of understanding the world if you apply yourself?

8/16/2017 8:34:29 AM

Don't worry folks, this is all staged... according to this nut job: http://cedarposts.blogspot.com/2017/08/charlottesville-charlotte-what-next.html

8/16/2017 8:52:29 AM

r/the_donald had the unite the right event stickied on their subreddit, and now they have a popular post about how it was staged

[Edited on August 16, 2017 at 8:55 AM. Reason : .]

8/16/2017 8:55:08 AM

Great reads

TRUMP DEFENDS WHITE SUPREMACISTS
https://news.vice.com/story/donald-trump-blames-alt-left-for-charlottesville-violence

Why there are Confederate statues in states that weren’t in the Confederacy
https://news.vice.com/story/confederate-statues-are-all-over-states-that-werent-in-the-confederacy

Why are these politicians smiling next to white nationalists?
https://news.vice.com/story/why-are-these-politicians-smiling-next-to-white-nationalists

Trump rarely waits for facts to make an opinion. Charlottesville is different
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/15/politics/trump-delay-charlottesville-statement/index.html

8/16/2017 8:57:41 AM

all of us have the internet too

8/16/2017 8:59:50 AM

Have you guys seen this speculation:

http://conservativetribune.com/charlottesville-car-footage/
http://www.departmentofmemes.com/article/protesters-attacked-charlottesville-drivers-car-baseball-bat/

Or has that theory already been debunked?

8/16/2017 9:25:28 AM

Im so sick of the superficial outrage. Where was all of this outrage after the previous 762bajillion white supremacist murders in this country? a white woman had to be killed to spark national outrage?

these same sjws have spent their entire lives walking by statues of confederates without a problem. you would think trump built the statues himself.

most of the country could care less about racial inequality but want to do enough so that they can feel they arent racist themselves. its one thing to be a racist but its another thing to perpetuate racism indirectly. this is what the democrat party has done for years. they pander against racism verbally but never actually push policy with teeth. racial desparities continue to grow especially in areas under democrat control.

demonizing trump and verbal racists is the only thing they have left at this point.

crime bill welfare reform and gentrification have done more damage than anything trump could say. liberals have a dont ask don't tell policy towards racism while the alt right is open with it.

talk to any democrat about socialism in scandanavia and they won't dog whistle but will say something like "but those countries are all white" or " that couldnt work here with all of the diversity" which is code switched overt white supremacy. Its the whale whistle to the "welfare queen" dog whistle youd hear from a conservative.

8/16/2017 10:35:23 AM

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"talk to any democrat about socialism in scandanavia and they won't dog whistle but will say something like "but those countries are all white" or " that couldnt work here with all of the diversity" which is code switched overt white supremacy. Its the whale whistle to the "welfare queen" dog whistle youd hear from a conservative."

That's actually not code for white supremacy. Some may actually be racist when saying it, but uniformity in race/culture has a huge impact on ease/acceptance of laws/structures. It's one of the reasons political opinions are so divided in America, we are an incredibly diverse nation. Population size has a lot to do with it as well, consider the size of any of the Scandinavian countries.

Diversity is absolutely a good thing and it's also one of the top reasons we are as advanced as we are in America, and more importantly, as a species in general. But when someone says "those countries are all white," what they are really saying is they are all of the same background/culture. You could substitute "white" with "black" and it would still apply.

However, you could not substitute "white" with "black" and then try to apply that statement to a random African nation, for instance, because Africa is further broken down into a large number of tribes with completely different cultures/languages/backgrounds/histories/etc.

I don't know too much about Scandinavia but would suspect their background/history/etc. is all pretty uniform. Not a lot of outsiders like to immigrate into the cold, harsh reaches of the Arctic.

8/16/2017 10:43:59 AM

Also, no country in Scandinavia, or any western democracy for that matter is "socialist". They are all capitalist economies that lean heavily Keynesian with varying degrees of social services provided by the government meant to curb inequality. The main goal is still private sector growth.

8/16/2017 11:29:32 AM

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"these same sjws have spent their entire lives walking by statues of confederates without a problem. "

not really. they've been a problem for a while.

8/16/2017 11:36:53 AM

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"Im so sick of the superficial outrage"

First off, to be clear I want to state you're wrong, but let's skip that (I'm sure you won't and only respond to this part)...what I'd like to know is this:

Right now you are complaining that a bunch of people are fake upset at the racism on display over the past week because a white person died. I assume you don't have a time machine and the ability to change anything that's happened in the past. So, please explain what you'd prefer all these superficially outraged people do today

8/16/2017 12:09:01 PM

8/16/2017 12:10:23 PM

Earl fell out of the stupidity tree and broke every branch on the way down with that post, so I'm not sure why anyone is even bothering to acknowledge it.

8/16/2017 12:11:35 PM

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" Or has that theory already been debunked? "

go watch the videos yourself

the car was in a clear intersection when it started speeding toward the crowd, the video your ridiculous website is showing is after it already started towards the crowd

8/16/2017 12:40:35 PM

http://theweek.com/speedreads/718164/college-student-photographed-screaming-white-nationalist-rally-says-hes-not-angry-racist

8/16/2017 12:56:09 PM

I guess i said something the wrong way or at least it camw off the wrong way. Let me explain.

they are actually upset and not fake upset. they are upset aabout optical racism and not all racism.

examples of what i call optical or overt racism:

kkk and nazis
chanting n word on the frat bus
trumps non pc statements

they absolutely hate these things and call them out because they are easy to condemn and dont involve any personal cost.

these people want to feel like they are not racists and that america today is not tolerating racism. seeing those things brings white guilt into their minds and they express outrage until the facade is replaced.these are the people who declared racism over on 11/9/08.

these same people chose to ignore systemic racism that does a lot more damage to many more people because

a. willful ignorance
b. they actually dont know there is more racism (white privilege)
c. they like it

anything that actually costs political or personal capital is ignored.

if there is someone out there who genuinely decides to wake up one day and speak out against racism they can protest

-police
- justice system
-banks
-workplace
-corporations
-housing

basically everywhere.

8/16/2017 12:56:40 PM

Who exactly are you talking about? You're spouting off these dumb sweeping generalizations about how a good half of the country is feeling and making it up as you're going along.

People are legitimately pissed and horrified that Nazis and KKK members are assembling and inciting violence and that the POTUS is essentially giving them carte blanche to do so. This type of shit isn't normal by any means. Not to excuse or trivialize the egregious impact previous KKK rallies had on the populace, but in the past they were a direct reflection of the ignorant attitudes at the time, and they were designed to squelch the movement to grant equal rights to POC. Today, they are perhaps even more insidious because we're a much more diverse and multicultural society than before, and we should have already learned from all our mistakes by now.

People are upset because all of the warning signs we had about Trump being an incompetent lunatic were true. We are fucked proper and you and your braindead ilk are a huge reason why.

8/16/2017 1:10:18 PM

Yeah, no one the last 18 months has spoken out about police violence or corporations/banks. That's why BLM is persecuted from all sides and no one cares about Goldman Sachs speeches.

He lives in some alternate Jill Stein "nothing matters, everyone is equally bad" world.

8/16/2017 1:21:16 PM

It's petty of me, but I can't stop laughing at this shit:

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/08/im-terrified-neo-nazi-blubbers-like-a-baby-in-video-reporting-hes-wanted-for-arrest-in-charlottesville/

8/16/2017 3:02:49 PM

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"socialism is an economic system. the economic system didnt slaughter people, the authoritarian government did. woops."

If you are unable to understand the connection between the two, and the fact that socialism, by its very nature, requires increasing levels of totalitarian control, then I question your comprehension of what socialism really is. You are hopelessly naive if you fail to understand that the centralization of power always leads to suppression, oppression, and tyranny.

you trust this centralization when its from the left, but call it fascism when its from the right...but it leads to the same damn place. every. single. time.

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"no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power---George Orwell, 1984"

[Edited on August 16, 2017 at 3:52 PM. Reason : ,]

8/16/2017 3:51:24 PM

Except that libertarian socialism is a thing...

8/16/2017 4:03:44 PM

true communism, like anarchist communism, only works on the small scale. it doesnt upscale

socialism requires control, to redistribute wealth.

read FA Hayeks "Road to Serfdom", educate yourselves. quit living in Bernie fantasy land where everything is free and magical rainbow unicorns provide everybody with everything.

8/16/2017 4:11:05 PM

just overheard someone celebrating their 21st birthday say, "unless you're black and have a great-grandparent, you can't complain about racism"

for good measure, they also added, "after what happened this weekend, my roommate has become too liberal, and I told them to stop bringing up politics"

8/16/2017 4:30:31 PM

https://www.facebook.com/VICEVideo/videos/852427754917176/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAk6szYQ-bM

8/16/2017 4:31:33 PM

^ posted that earlier. Homebody sounds like he's crashing from his weekend meth binge. While mean, the comments are pretty funny.

8/16/2017 4:54:23 PM

im just saying some of us always thought the country was racist and get upset long before nazis are marching. very low bar.


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/feb/11/bernie-s/sanders-african-american-lost-half-their-wealth-be/

without getting into the evidence showing how minorities were preyed upon, i will jump straight to the point that obama administration didnt even prosecute the racists or anyone on wall street but so quick to condemn looters
http://nypost.com/2015/04/28/obama-calls-baltimore-rioters-criminals-and-thugs/

we should have seen the major red flag when trump took time off his campaign to buy dylan roof burger king

8/16/2017 7:16:34 PM

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"im just saying some of us always thought the country was racist and get upset long before nazis are marching. very low bar."

uh, congrats?

You do realize that plenty of us also realize that racism, corruption, poverty, etc will never fully go away, right?

8/16/2017 7:45:11 PM

^then why even concern yourself with Trump or nazis. you dont really hold that view because if you did, d it would make sense to include these people and accept them. you are just looking for an easy out.


also the commie point that was originally made talked about slaughter and used famine numbers on deaths. really reaching. i know we were all taught lies about it growing up in the cold war but at some point you have to switch over to reality.

8/17/2017 8:21:21 AM

LIKE OMG GUYZ IF YOU ALREADY THOUGHT HATING JEWS WAS BAD WHY DO YOU EVEN CARE ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST!

8/17/2017 8:29:37 AM

While you may be correct with a lot of so-called centrists who only come out when these "whoa" moments hit (think Charleston) and then go back to supporting policies that onl make it worse, on here that simply isn't true.

The vast majority of us on here have been fully supportive of BLM protests, been outspoken about LEO aggressiveness and have been quite consistent the problems of inequality (I, personally, have evolved my views quite a bit on things like Occupy, of which I was wrong about in the past despite or maybe because of my career -- but you learn and grow)

[Edited on August 17, 2017 at 8:31 AM. Reason : X]

8/17/2017 8:30:12 AM

Earl needs to go back into the woods and love himself and learn to function without having to troll tww for attention.

8/17/2017 9:12:10 AM

This is so spot on.

8/17/2017 11:23:05 AM

^ nice

One of the guys in the VICE/HBO documentary is now scared and is crying:

'I’m afraid you’re going to kill me': 'Armed' neo-Nazi Christopher Cantwell breaks down in tears in video
https://www.indy100.com/article/christopher-cant-well-nea-nazi-video-cries-fear-arrest-charlottesville-protest-vice-7898581

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"A white nationalist who attended the far-right rally in Charlottesville last weekend has released a tearful video saying he’s scared the police are going to kill him."

Click to read more and watch the video of him crying


VICE doc for those who haven't seen it yet:
https://news.vice.com/story/vice-news-tonight-full-episode-charlottesville-race-and-terror

8/17/2017 5:18:19 PM

wait, so people other than BLM are afraid of the police killing them without due process???

8/18/2017 9:06:36 AM

this is a serious question and not a joke: does Chris Cantwell have some kind of mental disability or condition? something seems really off with the way he acts and speaks, like he has some kind of disability.

8/18/2017 9:19:29 AM

He just sounds like Jersey white trash to me. He definitely doesn't sound like he's from the south, so hey, score one for our team?

I just want to push back a bit on the premise of this thread a bit. I've been looking around for more information and the rates of growth around hate groups given that the general consensus from the educated liberal echo chamber in which I exist is that Nazism is not only on the rise, but exploding in popularity. This doesn't pass the smell test for me, but maybe that's just my own bias or unwillingness to deal with reality.

Here's a CNN report with data from the Southern Poverty Law Center: http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/politics/charts-explain-us-hate-groups/index.html

General takeways:
- Anti-Jewish sentiment has been steadily on the decline
- Anti-Muslim sentiment has spiked
- There has been an uptick in black separatist and neo-confederate groups
- White supremacists, neo-nazis, and skinheads have been declining

This seems to paint a picture of white hate groups as a dying breed.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised to see more recent data showing a spike in hate groups. A broad working theory I have for this is that tiny sections of the far right and far left and gearing up for war in response to what they perceive as aggression from the other side. We've all seen images of far-left black bloc protestors/rioters with weapons, vandalizing property, beating people, etc. The white supremacists saw the same images, and now they believe there's a war to fight because the communists are coming to take over.

In reality, the communists are just LARPers and college students, not working class revolutionaries. The skinhead guys actually *are* working class men with guns and a willingness to use violence if they see a threat, which should make them scarier.

8/18/2017 10:14:00 AM

the left had armed people in charlottesville too, the socialist rifle association and redneckrevolt had members there lined up against the armed right milita

[Edited on August 18, 2017 at 10:25 AM. Reason : ./]

8/18/2017 10:24:06 AM

I didn't know about that.

The interesting thing about the far left and far right is that they really don't have many similarities with their more moderate ideological partners. To elaborate: the moderate right in the U.S. generally prioritizes economic liberty, the individual over the collective, and business. If you talk to these white supremacists, they're talking about economic nationalism, group thinking, the white race, and how Jews run big business and are attempting to exterminate the whites. These are drastically different positions from what your average beltway Republican believes.

Similarly, you go far enough left, and suddenly you have folks that not only don't believe in gun control, but actively want guns.

8/18/2017 10:33:39 AM

that's partially because the far left and the far right aren't actually extremely left/right of the general population; they just happen to be on an entirely different level of authoritarianism than everyone else. Nazis want a socialist ethnostate, which would make them about as right-wing as 1970s Scandinavia.

8/18/2017 10:57:05 AM

The chart is actually horseshoe shaped.

8/18/2017 11:36:37 AM

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"Similarly, you go far enough left, and suddenly you have folks that not only don't believe in gun control, but actively want guns."

a lot of centrist lefts are okay with guns too, a significant portion (30%+ i think) even own guns

^^ be more dumb

^ horseshoe theory is nonsense

8/18/2017 11:53:12 AM

It appears that the Klan may be attempting to march in Durham at 4:00 PM today.

8/18/2017 12:48:16 PM