^^ probably

1/27/2009 4:48:28 PM

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"This is your argument? That you know basketball more than the ones who suspect Lowe isn't a good coach? Ok. "

No, you clearly haven't fucking read my posts in this thread. I'm pointing out that MOST of the people on the other side of my argument back up their garbage posts with stuff that makes them look like they just read the box score, the stats, and watch sports center and assume we played a shitty all around game, didn't make adjustments, and flat out turned the ball over too many times because coach Lowe clearly told them to play stupid and not hard enough to win. Where if you actually watch the games, you see us making adjustments, you see coach Lowe trying to motivate the guys, you see guys getting benched for pouting and playing like shit, and you see that we're not that far away.

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"You thought we'd be one of the shittiest teams in the ACC by year #3 of Lowe's tenure? I highly doubt that."

No, but I didn't expect us to be a top half team in year 3 unless we landed a top flight point guard or Degand developed into that.... and I didn't expect us to be plagued with injury problems at point guard either. So in other words, I'm disappointed that we're not playing to that level, but I understand why we're not, and clearly other people don't. Got it? thx.

[Edited on January 27, 2009 at 4:52 PM. Reason : ]

1/27/2009 4:50:29 PM

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"Now, people look at GT and laugh at their waste of talent. "

Wait, what? We have more talent than Georgia Tech does.....

Costner: McDs AA, top 20 recruit
Fells: Top 30 recruit
McCauley: Top 100 recruit
Smith: Top 50 recruit
Horner: Top 125 recruit
Ferguson: recruited by Pitt, USF, others
CJ Williams: top 125 recruit offers from Wake, South Carolina, VTech, Miami, Clemson
Julius Mays: top 125 recruit offers from Xavier, Purdue
Johnny Thomas: a top player in NC, offers from Miami, Wake, VTech, George Washington

I am so tired of hearing the talent excuse. The rankings don't show we have a lack of talent. That's pathetic we have to use that.

1/27/2009 4:51:24 PM

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"Yes, of course he waited too long to figure out his substitution patterns were crap, but he did finally figure it out, and he's doing something about it."

Right, but the thing is that most people (posters in this very thread) had this figured out by the first two weeks of the season. It took Lowe until the end of January to realize this.

1/27/2009 4:51:56 PM

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"I am so tired of hearing the talent excuse. The rankings don't show we have a lack of talent. That's pathetic we have to use that."

Ratings in high school don't mean shit when you've been playing college ball for more than a season.

Half of those players suck dick and don't belong in a starting lineup in the ACC.

[Edited on January 27, 2009 at 4:55 PM. Reason : ]

1/27/2009 4:55:07 PM

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"Half of those players suck dick and don't belong in a starting lineup in the ACC."

I understand this. But that is either the players fault or the coaches fault. SOMEONE is to blame for these players not playing to their potential.

1/27/2009 4:57:55 PM

Or it's the ratings

--

What do you mean you understand that? I thought you just said we can't use lack of talent as an excuse?

[Edited on January 27, 2009 at 5:00 PM. Reason : ]

1/27/2009 4:59:27 PM

^^^^lol i know. that is my exact point. i called out sid for being a fool many times in these threads with his ridiculous subs. it sucks. it was stupid of lowe to wait this long.

BUT. he is willing to change. he's not stubborn. he has shown he is learning. and he is willing to try new things until he finds something what works. that is something i am glad to see after the last regime.

also, i am of the opinion, and i realize it is purely opinion, that he won't have to keep stabbing in the dark once he gets his own basketball players in the system and gets rid of the these jokers holding us back!

[Edited on January 27, 2009 at 5:00 PM. Reason : ]

1/27/2009 4:59:37 PM

so all our players are real shitty but they are able to make a 16-0 run when Lowe actually makes a rare in game adjustment (BC game)?

[Edited on January 27, 2009 at 5:02 PM. Reason : in game]

1/27/2009 4:59:57 PM

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"Half of those players suck dick and don't belong in a starting lineup in the ACC. "

Or they play for a coach that can't develop talent.

What are the odds that all these players on our team were way overrated coming out of high school? It's possible i guess.

But there is one common denominator here. And that's the coach.

1/27/2009 5:01:26 PM

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"also, i am of the opinion, and i realize it is purely opinion, that he won't have to keep stabbing in the dark once he gets his own basketball players in the system and gets rid of the these jokers holding us back!"

Yeah fuck Herb's players! They are only our three best players. We will be better without them.

Ernie I am saying they suck but its someone's fault, either the players as individuals or the coaching staffs. And yes I know those are just rankings, but usually for basketball they are pretty reliable. Our players have talent, they just aren't using it correctly.

1/27/2009 5:02:50 PM

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"But there is one common denominator here. And that's the coach"

...the coach that didn't recruit those guys

1/27/2009 5:03:11 PM

GT:

SG 6 ***** Lewis Clinch

PF 7 ***** Gani Lawal

SG 5 ***** Iman Shumpert

C 5 **** Alade Aminu

PF 30 **** Zach Peacock

and from 2 years ago (when they still sucked)

PG 3 ***** Javaris Crittenton
SF 2 ***** Thaddeus Young


NC State:

PF 6 ***** Brandon Costner

PF 24 **** Ben McCauley

SG 9 **** Courtney Fells

PG 30 *** Javier Gonzalez

PF 18 **** Tracy Smith

SF 40 *** Johnny Thomas

SF 28 *** C.J. Williams

SG NR *** Julius Mays

From last year when we still sucked

C 3 ***** J.J. Hickson

1/27/2009 5:03:35 PM

^^^^or the common denominator is a coaching transition.

not just having to learn the system, but getting kids to buy into the system is huge. if sid continues to get kids in that seem overrated in high school then the common denominator is probably coaching. right now it's too hard to tell.

^^^i like how you nitpick the one thing i said that i clearly stated as opinion with no fact to back it up to harp on.

but since you did harp on it, fells isn't our third best player.

and if costner and mccauley our are two best players, then that says a lot about our talent. costner who is the biggest headcase at state i've seen in years and ben big choke mccauley (although he did have a good game last game).

all three of them btw are largely responsible for last year's fiasco with hickson and jealousy over playing time, so yeah, forgive me for wanting players who care more about the team winning then losing playing time to an nba draft pick.

[Edited on January 27, 2009 at 5:10 PM. Reason : ugh]

1/27/2009 5:03:43 PM

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"so all our players are real shitty but they are able to make a 16-0 run when Lowe actually makes a rare in game adjustment (BC game)? "

you have to be fucking kidding me.

1/27/2009 5:05:00 PM

you can't turn a sprinter into someone that's naturally slow. stop getting obsessed with ratings and numbers.

1/27/2009 5:06:27 PM

i'd love to nuke this thread from orbit

but obama has but the kibosh on that

1/27/2009 5:07:12 PM

I'm not kidding. That was a great adjustment in that game. I think it is a testament that all of our players are NOT talentless. We still lost, but I give credit where credit is due. I'm not a blind hater of Sidney Lowe.

I think Lowe can get more out of the players than what he currently is. And I attribute that to coaching. One excellent adjustment in a game over the course of a season doesn't make him a good coach.. there are 3 years of evidence that support otherwise.

[Edited on January 27, 2009 at 5:10 PM. Reason : .]

1/27/2009 5:07:54 PM

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"What are the odds that all these players on our team were way overrated coming out of high school? It's possible i guess."

1/27/2009 5:07:54 PM

I meant you're fucking kidding that you actually think an in-game adjustment is RARE from Lowe. Just 2 seasons ago when Lowe had a point guard, everyone was slobbing his knob for using timeouts so effectively, drawing up great inbounds plays, always calling a play that got us a basket at a great time, and generally being a great in-game coach.

But now with another season and a half under his belt with bad point guard play, he doesn't adjust in game and when he does, its rare?

1/27/2009 5:16:04 PM

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"This is 100% wrong. Sometimes it is being outcoached."

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"^^How is it 100% wrong if it is only sometimes?"

Haha, that was rich. Made me chuckle, or "lol" if you will.

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"Sorry that you think I'm such a shitty dumbfuck fan for not wanting our team to be a laughing stock in the ACC."

Do you really still think that's why people think you're a shitty dumbfuck? Nobody wants our team to be a laughing stock (actually I might argue that some on here actually do get a hard-on from it, but I really don't understand that. Might have something to do with racism, or maybe just their general unhappiness in life)

1/27/2009 6:01:18 PM

Treat Wista is racist

1/27/2009 6:06:42 PM

Great job Sid! At least IMO.

Best starting 5 all year.

McCauley
Smith
Costner
Fells
Degand

!!!!

1/27/2009 7:07:14 PM

So is it Lowe's fault that Costner traveled there a minute ago? Is it his fault that costner took that 3 and that we've gone cold for the last few minutes?

1/27/2009 7:20:11 PM

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"This probably is more relevant here: Instead of suffering through Horner (who can play NO d) and Harris (who can play NO o) I'd LOVE to see this lineup as our 'A' one. 1 - Degand 2 - Fells (he has been our best shooter so far this year) 3 - Costner 4 - Smith 5 - McCauley Sure, Costner will be a bit slow of a 3, but that is our best lineup IMO all around... 1/4/2009 12:20:53 PM"

[Edited on January 27, 2009 at 7:38 PM. Reason : just saying... even though Smith played minimally]

1/27/2009 7:37:46 PM

I've always thought that was out best lineup, and never understood why it hasn't been played more often (unless you wanna put Mays at PG, i don't mind him).


I really hope Costner stays next year. We could be pretty solid if he does. And pretty bad if he doesn't.

1/27/2009 7:43:25 PM

5-0 in OT games.

1/27/2009 9:21:02 PM

blows a near 20 pt lead...

[Edited on January 27, 2009 at 9:23 PM. Reason : saved by mays]

1/27/2009 9:23:23 PM

WORST COACH EVAR!!!!!!!!11111

1/27/2009 9:24:51 PM

Ok, so 4 more wins gets us over .500 right?

1/27/2009 9:26:43 PM

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"WORST COACH EVAR!!!!!!!!11111"

1/27/2009 9:27:10 PM

worst play call evar?

1/27/2009 9:27:49 PM

We tried our best to lose it, but somehow we still executed big plays.



As I have said a billion times, Fells is the key to our season. Which is why we suck.

[Edited on January 27, 2009 at 9:31 PM. Reason : .]

1/27/2009 9:30:35 PM

Is Fells inconsistency really Sid's fault?

1/27/2009 9:36:38 PM

Give Lowe a RAISE!!! Best I've seen our team play since he got here in the first 15 minutes of the game. I'm drunk too, but I wasn't in the first 15 minutes!!!

1/27/2009 9:51:12 PM

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"blows a near 20 pt lead... [Edited on January 27, 2009 at 9:23 PM. Reason : saved by mays] "

Oh, so he gets no credit for getting the 20 pt lead, ok. Fuck off already, its obvious the team is getting better at this point. Nothing personal against you, but I think its silly to bitch about Lowe after this game.

1/27/2009 10:01:27 PM

it is silly to bitch about Lowe after this game.. Wolfpack Nation needed this win in the worst kind of way.

1/27/2009 10:06:20 PM

How bout we let this unify the wolfpack fanbase. Lock the thread and if after year four our team is still an ACC cellar dweller I will start a fire lowe thread. All I want is to give the man some time. Keep the critique down. TWW may not hurt recruiting but Packpride/WRAL/news and disturber and all their rampant douchebaggerry probably does.

1/27/2009 10:16:22 PM

^i think i agree

1/27/2009 10:20:23 PM

I'm down.

1/27/2009 10:21:44 PM

ibtl... 80 pages later

1/27/2009 10:24:42 PM

agreed

1/27/2009 10:29:54 PM

signed

1/27/2009 10:30:13 PM

i'm cool with that.

1/27/2009 10:40:53 PM

even rally is down...

1/27/2009 10:44:16 PM

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1/27/2009 10:51:56 PM

20 pages until page 100...or 1 week

1/27/2009 10:52:30 PM

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"The Timberwolves entered the NBA in 1989. Lowe took over as head coach in 1993. But I digress, since I know so little."

whoops my mistake OhBoyeee, you are correct...I thought Lowe was their first coach, but what I was really thinking of was that the Wolves picked Lowe in the expansion draft, so he was a player on their first team...but my point is still valid as far as his NBA coaching record...unless you get some #1 or #2 draft picks in multiple drafts, it usually takes NBA franchises 6-8 years to even get a 41-41 .500 record...and the T-Wolves never got good picks like the Hornets for example (LJ #1, Zo #2, consecutive years)

My main point in this thread remains: give him 3 years to get his system in place...if midway through the 4th year (next season) we still suck, THEN criticize him

Its a process...to be cliche, "its a marathon, not a sprint"...it takes time to get your system, recruits, recruiting ties (especially for a first time college coach), name/face established...then, and ONLY THEN, can you show what you have as a coach

And knock on his recruiting disadvantages as a first time college coach all you want...his NCAA championship ring is valuable when recruiting players, as is his NBA playing, coaching and assistant coaching experience in the NBA when it comes to recruiting 1-and-done guys (read: STAR COLLEGE PLAYERS) who want to know what it takes to make it to, and in, the NBA

And then before you come with some comments about how we HAD NBA talent in Hickson and fared below average record-wise with him, imagine actually having 2 NBA caliber players at once, and not just one...THAT will get us into the NCAA tourney, and unlike your fond memories of a bald coach from yesteryear, WE WILL actually make MORE THAN ONE SWEET SIXTEEN in the next 5 years

So bottomline, wait until January 27 NEXT SEASON before you are overly-critical of Lowe...like I said, marathon, not sprint

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"This is 100% wrong. Sometimes it is being outcoached."

I disagree...coaching keeps you in games against teams with more talent (Marquette for example)...players making plays late in the game is what wins games...drawing up a perfect play doesn't mean shit if the players can't execute...and likewise, to go back to the Marquette game, playing great defense doesn't prevent players from making clutch shots with a hand in their face while they're off balance (Marquette, hint hint...7 and fucking 0 in the Big East)

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"Right, but the thing is that most people (posters in this very thread) had this figured out by the first two weeks of the season. It took Lowe until the end of January to realize this."

in fairness, going 15-3 or whatever before ACC play isn't exactly a huge reason to change your lineup and rotation...most people figured we'd need to see how it worked in conference play before it needed changing up

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"What are the odds that all these players on our team were way overrated coming out of high school? It's possible i guess."

honestly ranking are hit or miss...you have some sure fire guys who light it up for 30 points and 10 boards in the McD's AA game with crazy athleticism, but look at guys like Josh McRoberts for Duke...he was one of the top high school players and it didn't translate into college stardom...and when you go outside the top 10-20 picks, its even more hit or miss

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"5-0 in OT games."

awesome...I DID NOT KNOW THAT /johnny carson, especially dana carvey as johnny carson...but it shows that in close games, at least close games that go to overtime, we take them seriously, and CAN WIN CLOSE GAMES

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"blows a near 20 pt lead..."

lol are you fucking serious man? W's and L's...thats what its about...we got the W, although no State fan wanted us to have the game get close...but thats what happens in college bball...teams go on runs...for real though, don't bitch about a win...a win is a win and there is nothing bad about it

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"I am more excited about Lowe than I ever was with Herb at the helm."

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"his awesome recruiting abilities (proven), combined with his passion (proven)"

[Edited on January 27, 2009 at 11:19 PM. Reason : lots of edits, finally done with this post]

1/27/2009 11:00:47 PM

LOCK. THIS. THREAD.

1/27/2009 11:06:49 PM

set em up

1/27/2009 11:10:21 PM