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FROM IC

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"NCAA REQUIRES LOSS OF CONTESTS, REPAYMENT FOR BURNEY AND WILLIAM NCAA REQUIRES LOSS OF CONTESTS, REPAYMENT FOR BURNEY AND WILLIAMS Chapel Hill, N.C. ----- University of North Carolina football student-athletes Kendric Burney and Deunta Williams must miss competition and repay benefits as a condition of becoming eligible to play again, according to a decision today by the NCAA student-athlete reinstatement staff. Burney, who received $1,333 in benefits, must miss six games and make repayment of $575.19 to a charity of his choice. Williams, who received $1,426 in benefits, must miss four games and make repayment of $450.67 to a charity of his choice. Both student-athletes already have sat out two games. “We plan to appeal the length of the suspensions,” says Dick Baddour, North Carolina Director of Athletics. “While I respect the NCAA process, I believe the penalties to be unduly harsh given the individual circumstances in these cases.” The university declared both student-athletes ineligible for violations of NCAA agent benefits and preferential treatment rules. According to the facts of the case submitted by the university, these benefits in part included trips to California, Atlanta and Las Vegas for Burney and two trips to California for Williams. The majority of the benefits Burney received were from an individual who meets the NCAA definition of an agent. According to NCAA rules, an agent is any individual who markets or promotes a student-athlete. The majority of Williams’ benefits were preferential treatment violations associated with visiting a former North Carolina football student-athlete. When a school discovers a student-athlete has been involved in an NCAA rules violation, it must declare the student-athlete ineligible and may request the student-athlete’s eligibility be reinstated to the NCAA national office staff for consideration. Reinstatement decisions are made independently of any NCAA enforcement process. During the reinstatement process, NCAA staff review each case on its own merits based on the specific facts. Staff decisions are made based on a number of factors including guidelines established by the Division I NCAA Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement, the student-athlete’s responsibility for the violation, as well as any mitigating factors presented by the university. The university can appeal the decision to the Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement, an independent panel comprised of representatives from NCAA member colleges, universities and athletic conferences. This committee can reduce or remove the condition, but it cannot increase the staff-imposed conditions. If appealed, the student-athlete remains ineligible until the conclusion of the appeals process."

9/22/2010 4:11:47 PM

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"hmm 6 and 4 games for them...I wonder what that is going to mean for others to come and the program as a whole..."

9/22/2010 4:16:51 PM

NCAA appeals process:

DB: "Hey, NCAA... Don't you think that was a little over the top? Please bring the suspensions down a little... please?"


NCAA: "...No."

9/22/2010 4:18:36 PM

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" these benefits in part included trips to California, Atlanta and Las Vegas for Burney and two trips to California for Williams"

WTF, are they only considering airfare costs in the dollar amounts listed?

9/22/2010 4:22:28 PM

Yeah, no way those costs are right if they're incorporating flights + entertainment + lodging.

9/22/2010 4:23:43 PM

^^^Yeah, I think you're right. They set a precedent by denying AJ Green's appeal, and all he did was sell a jersey. That being said, this is UNC, so I'm assuming that since they're all queers, that the NCAA may yield so they're not accused of perpetrating a hate crime.

9/22/2010 4:26:26 PM

From an IC message board

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"I think it's ridiculous for Williams to be punished for taking money from a friend and teammate. How is that any different from that Alabama QB buying his O-line a stake dinner with his parents money?"

lol. why would anyone want to eat a stake?

9/22/2010 4:54:09 PM

^He thought they were vampires. It was the only way he could know for sure.

9/22/2010 5:08:25 PM

hahah fail

9/22/2010 5:09:04 PM

Eat a stake

The Carolina Whey

9/22/2010 5:10:29 PM

lol

9/22/2010 5:12:39 PM

Hmmm, when do we play them again?

9/22/2010 5:30:06 PM

Game before last I think.

9/22/2010 5:41:08 PM

these two guys were the two a lot of people were going to get off light, right?

lmao good luck unc

9/22/2010 5:48:33 PM

You can get round trip tickets to Atlanta for pretty cheap...like less than $100 cheap

Vegas and Cali on the other hand are gonna be a lot more expensive...like $300-$400 MINIMUM for each

and of course, that doesnt include champagne, hookers, etc

9/22/2010 5:55:34 PM

^ Yeah that's exactly what I was thinking. Tickets, hotel (you know they weren't staying at Motel 6), and partying like rappers... I bet these guys went through $5K+ easily.

9/22/2010 6:02:11 PM

do the games that UNC has been holding them out of count as a part of the 4 and 6 games?

9/22/2010 6:02:23 PM

btw the prices i listed assume coach class

business would be more, 1st class would be a shitload more...if they flew 1st class on all 3 round trips that could be $10,000+ alone, just for airfare

[Edited on September 22, 2010 at 6:09 PM. Reason : ^Yes]

9/22/2010 6:03:13 PM

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"and of course, that doesnt include champagne, hookers, etc"

lol

9/22/2010 6:05:18 PM

the agents probably didn't introduce them with that terminology, but you better believe that was part of the compensation

9/22/2010 6:13:46 PM

I don't understand how the NCAA determines how much the players should pay back. From the article on IC:
Burney, who received $1,333 in benefits, must miss six games and make repayment of $575.19 to a charity of his choice. Williams, who received $1,426 in benefits, must miss four games and make repayment of $450.67 to a charity of his choice. Both student-athletes already have sat out two games.

First, they aren't paying back the full amount of money...but I assume that's a rule/precedent. But why does Burney have to pay more than Williams...Williams actually received about $100 more.

ETA: didn't even notice that Burney, who still received less, has a harsher suspension than Williams (6 games vs 4). I'm thinking there's got to be more to this...otherwise their suspensions would be the same seeing as how the amount of money was pretty much the same.

[Edited on September 22, 2010 at 6:29 PM. Reason : dfsg]

9/22/2010 6:27:04 PM

i went to cali for a week last april, and it wasn't first class. there is no way on this planet those trips were that cheap unless they got deals on the airfare and they only got off the plane to get on the next one back to nc.

i'm smelling the b.s. i fully expected when all this crap started.

[Edited on September 22, 2010 at 6:30 PM. Reason : ]

9/22/2010 6:29:39 PM

^^I noticed that too. Maybe it something about the actual items/services they received?

[Edited on September 22, 2010 at 6:31 PM. Reason : I wonder how the NCAA estimates the cost of hookers...]

9/22/2010 6:31:08 PM

^^^they had already paid back some of the money according to mark armstrong

http://twitter.com/ArmstrongWTVD

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"Kendric and Deunta repaid most of the amount they're alleged to have received almost immediately. Hence - only owing a portion. cont'd"

[Edited on September 22, 2010 at 6:32 PM. Reason : ]

9/22/2010 6:31:49 PM

^Ok, that makes sense. Still makes me wonder about the 6 games vs 4 games...just seems odd.

9/22/2010 6:37:30 PM

The question I have is if they are going to check to see where the repayment money comes from.

9/22/2010 6:52:34 PM

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9/22/2010 6:55:46 PM

i still can't post on packpride and i joined up ages ago

9/22/2010 6:59:42 PM

i joined a billion years ago and don't remember my login information

i think my username was mark0

9/22/2010 7:00:39 PM

biblical shit inc?

9/22/2010 7:15:20 PM

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"The question I have is if they are going to check to see where the repayment money comes from."

seriously.. most people don't have a couple grand laying around.. idk, i guess they figured something out, just hope it's legit (for once).

9/22/2010 9:00:06 PM

A big deal with the NCAA is being truthful. How do we know Burney was truthful from the get go? It appears Deontaay Williams was, so he only got 4 games. Burney was also hanging out and taking money from an agent/coke dealer, Chris Hawkins, I'm not sure, but I heard it looks bad to be hanging out with coke dealers. Williams was taking money from a former player, not quite as severe to the NCAA.

Dareus took money from Martha Austin, a friend, and was truthful from the beginning, so 2 games only. AJ green took a grand from said coke dealer and was truthful, so 4 games only.

There are numerous rumors floating around that a couple UNC players have not been truthful to the NCAA. This is a no no.....if you want to play college ball, just ask Dez Bryant. And oh yea, none of these findings today have to do witht he tutor or the academic stuff. This is a grain of sand on a beach.

[Edited on September 22, 2010 at 9:40 PM. Reason : .]

9/22/2010 9:37:35 PM

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"do the games that UNC has been holding them out of count as a part of the 4 and 6 games?"

Yes, so they've got to sit out 2 and 4 more games.

9/22/2010 9:57:08 PM

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"there is no way on this planet those trips were that cheap unless they got deals on the airfare and they only got off the plane to get on the next one back to nc."

i don't think the length of stay matters to the price...but the days you fly can make a huge difference. flying to LA on a saturday is cheaper than a weekday usually. sometimes by $100-$200.

9/22/2010 10:01:51 PM

kendric burney's dad sad that his son and deunta paid for their flights, just not food/gas/hotels/things like that.

9/22/2010 10:03:25 PM

I hear bdmazur knows a lot about plane tickets

9/22/2010 10:04:51 PM

^i sure do

9/22/2010 10:10:43 PM

^^he sure does

9/22/2010 10:22:27 PM

^good contribution, Thurston.

9/22/2010 10:25:59 PM

9/22/2010 11:17:37 PM

^* Is there some proof you have that those games count? I don't think that they would.

9/23/2010 12:39:26 AM

^the NCAA a few weeks ago said they would, it can probably be found somewhere but i'm too lazy to do that.

9/23/2010 1:27:03 AM

^^http://bleacherreport.com/articles/470778-unc-football-suspensions-burney-and-williams-to-repay-benefits-miss-games

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"His six-game suspension is already two games deep, and will be appealed to the NCAA, according to UNC athletics director Dick Baddour. Williams, a fellow senior with 12 career picks, will have to repay $450.67 of the $1,426 he received, also to a charity of his choice. He has been suspended an additional two games on top of the two already missed, the length of which will also be appealed by UNC."

This goes for any future suspensions that are handed down. I.e if they hand down a 6 game suspension to some other player after the Rutgers game, then that player would have already served 3 of the 6 game suspension.

And here's to hoping that it takes the NCAA a month and a half to process any appeal.

[Edited on September 23, 2010 at 8:45 AM. Reason : -]

9/23/2010 8:44:36 AM

per espn article:

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"Both players have sat out the first two games for the winless Tar Heels (0-2), which count toward their suspensions."

9/23/2010 8:45:38 AM

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"i don't think the length of stay matters to the price...but the days you fly can make a huge difference. flying to LA on a saturday is cheaper than a weekday usually. sometimes by $100-$200"

i was referring to the fact that they did spend time in places between flights, thus spending more money the longer they stayed at their destination. if you aren't staying in someones home, you are talkin about hotel fees, restaurant tabs, car rental, etc

9/23/2010 8:48:42 AM

Sucks that those fuck-offs are going to be back for the State game. I was hoping the investigation would drag out long enough for the season to be over and all of those guys signing with agents to get ready for the NFL Draft (assuming labor issues are worked out).

If Burney or Williams are involved with the academic scandal as well, don't they need to continue to sit or UNC would risk forfeiting the games they play in? This two pronged investigation needs to have some overlap in terms of the player rulings.

9/23/2010 9:34:16 AM

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"Sucks that those fuck-offs are going to be back for the State game. "

See, I'm actually the opposite. As good as these guys are (and they are good), RW torched them last year. I'd rather them be at full strength when we play, so if/when we beat them again, they can't bitch about not being at full strength.

That said, I don't think Austin or Little will be back anytime this year ...

9/23/2010 9:50:52 AM

^ i'm starting to come to this too. I'm getting a little tired of the whole mess and would prefer to play them again. I'm sure from our own players stand point, they'd rather play and beat a team with all its "stars" than have even a little mental asterik by the game. This was also the team that got their shit packed in by GT last year.

9/23/2010 10:09:31 AM

9/23/2010 10:10:01 AM

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"UNCBIGMAN2008 (9/23/2010 at 10:08 AM) Report Violation HD your agenda against UNC is terrible. Rutgers D is not so good and there O is atrocious no way they score more points on UNC than LSU or GT. We may not win (I think it will be an easy win) but 31 points is stupid. "

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[link]http://espn.go.com/blog/acc/post/_/id/15465/page/thursday-predictions/week-4-predictions

[Edited on September 23, 2010 at 10:26 AM. Reason : .]

9/23/2010 10:25:59 AM