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"I wouldn't cooperate either, but I bet she gets indicted anyway"

can't blame her. UNC will use her as the scapegoat for any angle that lets them wiggle out of this

9/24/2010 1:51:33 PM

That lambo trapper keeper was bad ass.

As for this whole tutor not talking thing, I'm sure she'll eventually have to spill the beans. UNC is probably planning a hit on her anyway. Butch in a drive-by with man boobs Marvin throwing half eaten cupcakes and Greg Little punting footballs at her.




[Edited on September 24, 2010 at 1:55 PM. Reason : cv]

9/24/2010 1:54:53 PM

was watchin ESPN at lunch...they were talking about Jimmie Johnson and I guess it was Dale Jarrett that said "im going to borrow a term from unc basketball here, Jimmie Johnson need to put on a 'full court press.' " Are you fucking serious asshole?

9/24/2010 2:30:54 PM

A thread was starting on IC (no responses yet) about "why do teams like bama get away with cheating" because their guy only got 2 games and Burney and Williams got more. Its funny listening to them complain about the NCAA (the OP called it communist) when they are the NCAA's darling in basketball. They don't realize that Alabama football = UNC basketball.

Idiots.

9/24/2010 2:51:06 PM

From IC:
"Clearly, the overall mood of the board since the recent NCAA ruling is pretty upset. I know that I am. I've been trying to come up with a protest, something to drum up attention and to let the NCAA know that we're angry. It'd also be nice to get the backs of our guys that we all know are getting screwed here.

One idea I had was to photocopy my diploma, mail it in, and tell the NCAA that I also had some "unfair advantages" because one of my friends bought me a beer in college, or something like that. But that's pretty weak. Anybody have any better ideas?"

Don't they realize that they cheated and they are supposed to be punished for doing so? They act as if they did not break any rules

9/24/2010 5:58:34 PM

^ So you are sitting at your computer and have time to think about what you are typing and the best "metaphor" you can come up with is you had an unfair advantage because someone bought you a beer?

First off, that wouldn't be an unfair advantage.. if anything it would be a hindrance.

Second, he couldn't think to say something like "A friend gave me their notes from the previous semester" or anything that would actually be some sort of an advantage?

He should mail his actual diploma back to UNC because hes an idiot.

9/24/2010 6:28:15 PM

^Yep...and somehow NC State fans are the delusional ones

9/24/2010 7:23:36 PM

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"He should mail his actual diploma back to UNC-Pembroke because hes an idiot."

fixed

9/24/2010 7:48:13 PM

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"yep that sounds like the middle school level white trash rant I'd expect from an ECU student "

lol Sorry, my hatred for carolina does bring out my less articulate side.

It was fun though. You should try it. No wait, don't. lol You couldn't handle it, trust me. Your Justin Beiber collection and your starbucks charge account might suffer. We can't have that.

9/24/2010 10:19:02 PM

this kid makes me hate ECU so much I almost forget UNC is under investigation.

9/25/2010 3:51:56 AM

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"B D S"

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"BOYCOTT DA SCHOOOOOO"

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"BUTCH DAVIS SHIT"

9/25/2010 9:22:39 AM

will they have to forfeit the win today?

Draughn played. He's a retard

9/25/2010 8:28:01 PM

except he was cleared to play

9/26/2010 1:04:06 PM

cleared by who?

The NCAA or the UNC internal investigation?

What happens when the tutor comes clean and rats him out too?

9/26/2010 4:17:07 PM

i would change my name and sell the rights to the story

get the book published

retire on some exotic island

9/26/2010 9:03:59 PM

this is probably already posted somewhere, but over on IC someone said these about RW if he had gone to UNC:

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"he would just sit behind Yates"

and

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"he would never have even played a snap if we had come here."

9/26/2010 9:39:57 PM

both of those statements are probably true.

Keep in mind they don't exactly have the smartest coaches over there.

Also, Willie Parker agrees.

9/26/2010 9:43:10 PM

i don't know what the spirit of that post is, but i think the general consensus on IC is that yates sucks and that RW would be preferable.

9/26/2010 10:09:01 PM

dont forget they all believe that wilson would have come to unc if Bunting hadnt chosen to recruit paulus over wilson

9/27/2010 12:06:13 AM

unc fans talking about football

thats kinda like 4th grade girls talking about hunting grizzly bears

9/27/2010 12:50:06 AM

sick burn

9/27/2010 12:57:29 AM

Clemson article about the UNC scandal.

http://www.thetigernews.com/news.php?aid=6459&sid=3

9/27/2010 8:57:24 AM

So it was pretty funny to see the messageboards meltdown over the weekend with people creeping on the tutor's name and trying to find a picture of her. I'm glad we didn't do that over here.

9/27/2010 9:01:36 AM

That being said I am sick of everyone portraying her as someone that needs to be protected from UNC and the media. The statement that she is now UNC's scapegoat is a little misleading. She is just as culpable as the players. She cheated. Also the only reason that she isn't "cooperating" is because she is most likely being paid off handsomely to keep her mouth shut. It pisses me off that everyone is on the "poor tutor" bandwagon. She is likely as much of as a scheming lying whore as butch davis.

9/27/2010 10:13:15 AM

^ and that is the exact attitude that got the thread at PP got deleted.



We are NC State fans. What good does it do us to publicly excoriate this girl? She cheated, yes. Is she being thrown under the bus by UNC? Yes. Is she being paid off by UNC to keep her mouth shut? We don't know. Is she talking to the NCAA? No one knows, as the NCAA is absolutely tight-lipped about their investigation. Is the NCAA going to let such a story with obvious holes slip by unnoticed? Doubtful.


If you think she doesn't need to be protected, you need to step back and get a lot of fucking perspective. She helped athletes cheat... does that make her deserving of what you know is behavior that is over the line? There are people calling her a whore - YOU, for example - when you don't know what she did.


You want to buy the UNC party line that she was fucking a player? After seeing the lies they've already put out there, you'll buy into this one without issue? Are you really that dense? These are people who would lie about anything to get out from under this. The only credible sources you should be taking any clues from are the NCAA - who haven't said anything yet about this girl.


She is not a victim because of the cheating. No, she is culpable and fully responsible for that - IF she did it. Rumors now are that there were other people who helped, but she was the easiest one to pin it on. None of that broke any laws, though, and even if it had, she's still afforded basic human rights to privacy and respect. That means people shouldn't be looking up her parents' address. People shouldn't be calling her house or her job to harass her. She is or will be a victim of that. The thing that every single one of us as NC State fans should realize is that she has done us a favor. We don't need to be piling on her. If the UNC folks want to toe that line, let them do it. We need to be above that. It's not our place to hop in and start slinging shit at someone, especially when we should be thanking for being such a fuck up.


Chances are, any wins they had from her era will be vacated. We can't complain about that. Especially since we BEAT them each time. That makes it doubly embarrassing. Their losses are still losses. They couldn't beat us no matter how hard they tried. Even cheating didn't work.

If you aren't satisfied with that as an NC State fan, then you're not a real fucking fan at all.

[Edited on September 27, 2010 at 10:49 AM. Reason : .]

9/27/2010 10:42:59 AM

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"scheming lying whore"

9/27/2010 11:17:52 AM

You don't see me giving her personal contact info (which is waaaay out of line btw) that is why my statement started with "that being said". However, the info out there is she did cheat and lie and is now being completely silent about it which protects UNCs interests. Is this a coincidence? Just get off of the poor cheating tutor bandwagon is all I ask. If she was innocent she would be talking to the media and proclaiming her innocence. The silence protects the guilty.

[Edited on September 27, 2010 at 11:41 AM. Reason : adfaf]

9/27/2010 11:30:17 AM

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"Just get off of the poor cheating tutor bandwagon is all I ask."

No one is defending her cheating.


I'm defending her right to privacy, and her right to not be slandered. Two completely different issues.


Just because she cheated academically does not make her a "whore." Just because she may have been in a relationship with one member of the team does not mean she was getting a train run on her in Granville Towers. What on earth makes you think that:

1. you have a right to make those claims
and
2. you have any right to brand her as such as only a casual observer?



If you know it's wrong and over the line to post her personal info - how is it not over the line to call her a whore? You don't know anything other than what's been fed to you, and a good portion of that has had the UNC spin applied to it.


Like I said. Perspective. You need to find some.

9/27/2010 11:41:50 AM

She is being deliberately silent on all accounts. She cheated and is now doing her best to cover up for cheaters (again using best available knowledge here). I don't care if she fucked half the team or not. If she was being open and honest about the situation I would feel sorry for her. Her silence is damning. I also call butch davis a whore but that doesn't necessarily mean I think he fucked the entire team. To me it looks suspiciously like someone has been paid off. In other words compromised her morals for financial gain. Kind of sounds like a whore to me?

9/27/2010 11:47:13 AM

you honestly KNOW that she's covering and not terrified for her life?

9/27/2010 12:00:05 PM

why was her name ever made public? There is no benefit in the public knowing her name outside of taking some focus directly off UNC.

9/27/2010 1:03:56 PM

until we know more, i say get off the tutor, and let's focus back on the school itself and Butch "we've got to do better" Davis

9/27/2010 1:10:28 PM

Her name was made public because at this point it benefits UNC to do so. I still say that if this investigation had happened at NCSU her name would have been made public in the first week. It is interesting that her info was only made public once UNC had the chance to control the situation (aka shut her up). If she were genuinely terrified why wouldn't she divulge all of the information to simply clear the air? She could have done that long before her name was made public. Now UNC gets look like they have investigated the situation to the best of their ability and it was that darn tutor who got in their way.

[Edited on September 27, 2010 at 1:23 PM. Reason : asdfadf]

9/27/2010 1:16:06 PM

Please change the goddamn subject. I count on this thread providing relief during shitty days.

9/27/2010 1:23:38 PM

How dare that 22 year old girl not stand up to the head football coach and the goddamn AD.

9/27/2010 1:26:43 PM

passionate pleas for perspective ITT

9/27/2010 1:27:51 PM

Crickets is all I hear....for a huge bomb about to drop, there is no chatter on our message boards and even less coming out of chapel hill.

This thing either slowed down a great deal over the last 5 days, or this is a mega calm before the storm situation.

I think all of the 12 on suspension will get similar penalties, little and austin will never suit up again, and UNC will ultimately lose 3-6 schollies over the next 2-3 years (total).

And I am leaning towards butch still being their coach going forward, dude doesnt seem to have any desire to step down or be pushed out. There will have to be some illegal payment attached directly to his checkbook to either an agent or the tutor for writing team papers to pry him out of that 2.3 million dollar position.

9/27/2010 1:48:34 PM

I think Butch will be fired.

the school is just waiting on the NCAA to finalize its rulings so they can fire him without paying any of his contract.

he is coaching now for his next job.

9/27/2010 2:04:36 PM

i've only read this thread sparingly,, but are they talking about throwing one undergrad student-tutor under the bus for all 12 suspended athletes?

9/27/2010 2:05:29 PM

at one point a few weeks ago the tutor rumors had it at 3 different tutors involved, but the focus recently has been on the one individual under butch's employ.

9/27/2010 2:34:25 PM

The honest truth is that UNC has controlled this situation and continues to control it. If MA had never tweeted all his stupid crap none of this would have ever seen the light of day. Now UNC has had a chance to get in front of the information and control the situation (in this case silence the tutor who most likely has some damning evidence) so we will never know how deep and how bad this situation really was. Would harassing the tutor change any of that? Hell no. Do I condone that behavior? Of course not. That being said do I feel bad for what is most likely a paid stooge for UNC athletics? Of course not. Her silence is most likely being bought at a high price.

9/27/2010 3:02:52 PM

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"i've only read this thread sparingly,, but are they talking about throwing one undergrad student-tutor under the bus for all 12 suspended athletes?"

yes, which is impossible logistically. One person doing the work of 12? Not fucking likely.


if she's being paid or not, it doesn't matter. The NCAA aren't a bunch of fucking morons. UNC may put this girl front and center and try to blame in on her, but anyone with two braincells to rub together can see that there's no way she is solely to blame - and if they want to pay her money to "keep quiet," then it's money down the drain because there is no way in hell they get out from under this.




This girl holds ALL the chips. If she's being paid (I dont think so), she gets paid to keep her mouth shut. When the NCAA drops the death hammer, she can still come out and tell her side of the story. If UNC doesn't get the death hammer dropped on them, she can still come out and tell her side of it. If UNC sues her, they're proven liars and still get NCAA death-hammered. There is no safe way for UNC to "pay" her for keeping quiet, because they have no public means of rebuttal that does not incriminate themselves. Contrary to what these mouth-breathing UNC sheisters would have you think, it does not "protect" UNC if she keeps quiet when (if) she can get paid both coming AND going.

[Edited on September 27, 2010 at 5:20 PM. Reason : clay davis style baby. and any lawyer worth his salt knows this, man.]

9/27/2010 5:12:48 PM

I know this is a little off subject but I LOVE the caller on the David Glenn Sports show this morning who was asked about the Highs and Lows of Week 4:

At first, he started out by talking up the Pittsburgh Steelers 3-0 start and how great it is to be a Steelers fan and seemed harmless....

until he addressed a previous statement that radio host made about UNC's fanbase "deserving a win with all the stuff they've gone through" and when asked if he thought the UNC fanbase didn't deserve any respite:

"Hell no they deserve everything they get"

9/27/2010 5:37:12 PM

yall can't seriously believe this girl is being paid off. way too easy for that to be found out. more than likely, she's scared of getting her diploma revoked and being sued for breach of contract

9/27/2010 5:44:31 PM

I seriously hope you all are right it just seems very strange how she was suddenly revealed and has absolutely nothing to say. Maybe this is all a ploy to protect basketball?

9/27/2010 5:55:40 PM

dont know if it is new or i just started noticing it, but it seems that kiljadn has nominated himself judge and executioner of tdub. i think this is the 4th thread in a month where i've seen him verbally tear someone a new asshole.

not that i'm complaining, he is quote good at it and very entertaining (as long as i'm never in his crosshairs).

9/27/2010 6:17:02 PM

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"yall can't seriously believe this girl is being paid off. way too easy for that to be found out."

not saying she's being paid off, but why do you think that would be easy to find out? even if she was talking to the NCAA, the NCAA has no authority to examine her bank records. and she's not under criminal investigation either. who'd snitch?

i guess it's possible that if the secretary of state really wants to get to the bottom of it (LOL) they could subpoena her. i don't know if the SoS can even get involved in an academic cheating scandal. i'm sure they could find a way, since the whole mess is hurting the good name of the argyle flagship of the UNC system and thereby arguably harming the state of NC, but i don't know that they want to find a way.

i doubt cheating violates state laws or statutes, though the way they talk about the "carolina way" you'd think it WAS codified somewhere.

[Edited on September 27, 2010 at 6:56 PM. Reason : 8]

9/27/2010 6:51:14 PM

because if the school did it then they would (i think) be susceptible to FOIA requests. now if a booster did it, that'd be another story, but i just really can't believe that's going on on any level

9/27/2010 6:56:47 PM

"if the school did it?"

if the UNCCH directly paid someone to impede an NCAA investigation without even laundering the money (e.g. through noted jersey collector and street pharmacist Chris Hawkins), they are as dumb as they are crooked

9/27/2010 6:59:31 PM

well yeah, that's why they wouldn't do it. not to mention the backlash if it was ever discovered. and i guess i just choose to believe that my alma mater would have the integrity to not do something like that

9/27/2010 7:02:25 PM