this is crazy, we're going to have a whole new team next year. DAMN we need to land another big man now! It's weird to think that we were so stock full of big men like 2 seasons ago and now look at us.

3/23/2009 5:09:54 PM

i dont think anyone is expecting josh davis to be putting up the same numbers derrick favors is next year

but dan werner isnt an All-ACC player either

3/23/2009 5:10:22 PM

Werner would easily start for us.

^^Tracy, Howell, and Horner are all we got inside now. How scary is that?

3/23/2009 5:15:01 PM

losing degand really won't hurt us too bad if he leaves. Javi has kinda locked PG down right now. And then you have mays and brown that can run the point or play the 2. But please, if he leaves don't rush out and offer some 2* white dude that has potential or some junk like that. I'd rather just sit on the scholly and try to sign talent next year. Just cuz we have a scholly doesn't mean we just HAVE to burn it for crying out loud.

3/23/2009 5:16:36 PM

^^don't forget vandenberg!

[Edited on March 23, 2009 at 5:17 PM. Reason : .]

3/23/2009 5:17:02 PM

i'm all for saving schollies but at the rate we're losing people we'd be back down to 6 'shipped players + bryan nieman

after vandenburg/the JC guy we're going after play out though, I do hope we save for safer bets in 2010

3/23/2009 5:20:02 PM

imagine a team that is trying to run an offense similar to what duke runs. now imagine that same team without the suffocating pressure defense, significantly worse ball handling, slower, and only a fraction of the outside shooting. now give them red jerseys. that is our team next year.

3/23/2009 5:21:10 PM

Quote :

"significantly worse ball handling, slower, and only a fraction of the outside shooting"

i cant stand posters like ^

lo brown makes our ball handling much better and faster
scott wood has range from the parking lot and has a dead eye for the basket

go away until you actually know something about our incoming class

Quote :

"Tracy, Howell, and Horner are all we got inside now. How scary is that? "

not that scary...Costner was an inside guy; shit the last few games he wasnt an outside or an inside player.

Howell is a monster so we will be just fine next year

[Edited on March 23, 2009 at 5:25 PM. Reason : doom and gloom]

3/23/2009 5:24:42 PM

Quote :

"go away until you actually know something about our incoming class"

We had the slowest offense and the worst defense in the ACC this year. Brown and Wood are nice pieces, but they aren't going to pull us up from the cellar on their own.

3/23/2009 5:25:54 PM

im not claiming that they will but its not going to be worse than 2007

3/23/2009 5:26:57 PM

oh here we go. so i disagree with you, therefore i know nothing about our incoming class, right. listen, i know about our incoming class. brown is going to be an outstanding player, i'm convinced. i'm actually more excited about wood than anybody because i've accepted brown's ability(and am happy) but i believe wood is a real sleeper and is going to be a great acc player. having said all of that, brown will probably not solve all of our problems and neither will wood or howell. i just don't think that having one great ball handler and one great outside shooter is going to be enough.

[Edited on March 23, 2009 at 5:37 PM. Reason : i really hope Brown turns out to be All-World. It's what we need. ]

3/23/2009 5:35:33 PM

CJ Williams can knock down shots
Julius can actually create and knock down shots
Horner can knock down open shots
javi can hit when left open
wood can hit from Benson

Tracey Smith is a beast
Horner will does a decent job cleaning up
Howell is a monster

brown can almost do it all

not a bad looking line up...small but not bad

3/23/2009 5:39:34 PM

i agree with everything you just said. i'm just saying, if we are forced to run the same kind of offense that duke runs we will not be as successful. The reason i think this is because although all of our guys can knock down shots like you said, they still can't do it as consistently as dukes guys, except probably Wood. I don't really know why i got off on duke, i was just venting. But I hope i'm wrong.

What I'd like to see us do is to continue to prioritize going down low to smith or howell and then kicking it out. And, with the addition of Brown, give him the ball and drive him to the hoop, and either score(duh) or look for the kickout. That should open things up, yes? If we just swing it around and try to hit threes we gonna lose.

[Edited on March 23, 2009 at 5:48 PM. Reason : ]

3/23/2009 5:46:45 PM

I don't think we've got much to worry about on that front. Since Sid's first day he's stressed "inside-out".

3/23/2009 5:53:11 PM

Quote :

"they still can't do it as consistently as dukes guys"

can you name another team that can?

i think we need to give these guys the benefit of the doubt until we see them play. it's impossible to predict how most high schoolers' games will translate to the next level.

[Edited on March 23, 2009 at 5:54 PM. Reason : gramm gramm]

3/23/2009 5:54:16 PM

no i can't. and that is exactly my point. that's why duke is really the only team that can be successful with it the way they are. that's why we can't run that offense. this is my point!

I'm not saying we can't be good next year. It's possible, but we need our freshmen to be huge for us. I just tend to think that it's unlikely for us to be good next year.

3/23/2009 5:57:56 PM

Quote :

"CJ Williams can knock down shots Julius can actually create and knock down shots Horner can knock down open shots javi can hit when left open wood can hit from Benson Tracey Smith is a beast Horner will does a decent job cleaning up Howell is a monster brown can almost do it all not a bad looking line up...small but not bad"

thats pretty bad looking

prettay prettay prettay bad looking

NIT level at best unless they really surprise

3/23/2009 5:58:29 PM

Quote :

"NIT level at best"

that would imply an improved team...which I don't expect State to be next year

3/23/2009 6:00:49 PM

^ I hear you on the concern for next year. State's definitely going to be a small team next year. Not much way around it.

The key for next year's team is going to be whether individual players are willing to step up and go full tilt all season. Say what you want about Lowe's recruits, but in this past year no one was questioning their work ethic or wondering why they'd underachieved (generally speaking).

Javi - overachieved (I know I certainly didn't see him becoming one of our leading scorers late in the season)
Smith - overachieved (became our primary post threat as a SO)
Mays - expected, maybe slightly overachieving (wasn't expected to contribute right away)
CJ Williams - definitely overachieved by becoming a key contributor down the stretch
Horner - overachieved (on both ends of the floor in spite of all the hate)

Now going into next year State will need players to step up to fill the big void left by "the big three." CJ, Mays, Javi, and Horner all need to continue to improve. Wood and Brown need to step up and provide some depth at the 1 and 2. Howell needs to step up and give some minutes at the 4.

That's a lot of "ifs" right there, but that's what it boils down to for Lowe. What can you do with just your players? If State continues to NOT play defense and turn the ball over, then Lowe can and should be history. If however State overachieves next year, has a decent finish, and locks down another solid recruiting class (i.e. GET LESLIE and another big guy too), then I'd say Lowe should get another year.

Make no mistake though... Lowe has his work cut out for him next year...

3/23/2009 6:01:05 PM

i'll retract my post since it isn't fair in light of new details.

V you are the one who has no fears of us being terrible again next year... I applaud your audacity.

[Edited on March 23, 2009 at 6:09 PM. Reason : []

3/23/2009 6:05:06 PM

hey look ohboyee wants to stir up some more shit when someone actually says something of substance. surprise!

3/23/2009 6:07:10 PM

Quote :

"I'm not shitting on him, I'm just trying to point out that a commitment from a 2 star player at a position we don't particularly need more depth at is not closing the talent gap between us and most of the ACC."

You're saying this team doesn't need a big body (he's supposed to be 6'7" 205 now) who hustles, rebounds, plays D, and constantly works on his game? Are you fucking kidding me? This is also a kid who was 5'10 his freshman year in high school so he's still adjusting to his new height, and he still likes to bang inside.


Give me a break man. Also, someone on PP made a good point about the recruits sidney has brought in. Honestly, he hasn't "missed" yet on a high school prospect. I can see every single one of them who is here so far (Smith, Javi, Thomas, Mays, CJ for sure) becoming really good 4 year players then you throw in JJ who is playing for the fucking cavs right now.


We need guys like this who will get in practice and bust their knutesac...then do the same in games. I don't care what he looks like on paper, if the mother fucker hustles, rebounds, averaged 25 a game in high school and just dominated all of the other senior D1 prospects in the state in an allstar event....sign him up.


I hate our fans. I wish some of them would just go ahead and jump (mostly the people over on PP acting like this is a sign that sidney sucks dicks or something...its not...we have several scholarships to play with at this point)

3/23/2009 6:25:11 PM

Yeah, I guess as far as unheralded recruits go he is looking about as good as possible at this point. Isn't Cato-Bishop planning to walk on to the team too?

3/23/2009 6:27:58 PM

I like what James said over on pp....you get people on the message boards bitching that your staff missed on the Warren kid at Ole' Miss and the Maynor kid..then the Curry brothers, but when you take an underrated recruit who you think can turn into that type of player, everyone is bitching and moaning that we can't recruit and we're settling for shitty players and our program is in serious trouble.


its bullshit really. If we didn't have the scholarships open, I'd question the decision, but we have 2 more open for this season WITH this guy in the fold. We'll be ok.

3/23/2009 6:33:57 PM

^^^Good post, but where did you hear he was 6'7 now? If that's the case, you can throw him in the front court.

3/23/2009 6:51:10 PM

nevermind

[Edited on March 23, 2009 at 6:56 PM. Reason : ]

3/23/2009 6:55:57 PM

this guy supposedly beasted Garrius Adams (4 star 2009 Miami commitment) both times they met this year

[Edited on March 23, 2009 at 7:11 PM. Reason : .]

3/23/2009 7:02:18 PM

I know that I saw that this year he measured in at 6'6" 205. If he grows another inch he could definitely be used in the front court. Hell DeJuan Blair was 6'7" 240 coming out of HS (he's now 6'7" 265 as a Sophomore).

This guy does sound like the quintessential late bloomer. Let's not shit on this kid, especially since he truly wants to be here and it was his dream to play for State. You don't find too many of those types of guys out there. I know Simon Harris dreamed of playing for State and even though he wasn't an impact player for us he was very valuable to the team. He gave us a boost in rebounding and energy every time he came in and played hard all the time. Determination can overcome talent, especially when it comes to rebounding. Just look at when Simon out rebounded all of our front court in an early season game this year, or Duke's players who hold their own on the boards b/c of how determined they are.

3/23/2009 7:39:48 PM

Was said on the other sites that he's 6'7"

3/23/2009 8:00:38 PM

Quote :

"Determination can overcome talent"

I wholeheartedly disagree

3/23/2009 8:07:59 PM

^ did you forget this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyO8DMvLGwc

3/23/2009 8:10:25 PM

^^It can. Although, it generally doesn't.

[Edited on March 23, 2009 at 8:11 PM. Reason : ]

3/23/2009 8:11:03 PM

^^there was no shortage of talent on that team...

3/23/2009 8:27:32 PM

But they were supposedly not as talented as the other team.


Story on Josh Davis
http://www.vype.com/raleighdurham/general/2962

[Edited on March 23, 2009 at 8:31 PM. Reason : story]

3/23/2009 8:28:12 PM

How many McDonalds AA's did that team have?

3/23/2009 8:31:48 PM

that team went 17-10 in the regular season and every game was a fight just to survive. they weren't even supposed to be in the tournament and nearly got eliminated in the first round by pepperdine. determination is a very good quality to have and it's exactly what we need.

3/23/2009 8:37:36 PM

because they lost their best player for a while due to a broken foot

3/23/2009 8:45:13 PM

The point isn't that NC State wasn't talented that year (they were)....it was that Houston was supposed to be the greatest team of all time and nobody gave us a shot to win it.

3/23/2009 8:55:20 PM

Quote :

"How many McDonalds AA's did that team have?"

Lowe, Myers, Whittenburg

so 3

3/23/2009 8:55:51 PM

Quote :

"You're saying this team doesn't need a big body (he's supposed to be 6'7" 205 now) who hustles, rebounds, plays D, and constantly works on his game? Are you fucking kidding me? This is also a kid who was 5'10 his freshman year in high school so he's still adjusting to his new height, and he still likes to bang inside. Give me a break man. Also, someone on PP made a good point about the recruits sidney has brought in. Honestly, he hasn't "missed" yet on a high school prospect. I can see every single one of them who is here so far (Smith, Javi, Thomas, Mays, CJ for sure) becoming really good 4 year players then you throw in JJ who is playing for the fucking cavs right now. "

I'm saying we don't need another undersized post player, especially one who is obviously a project rather than someone who is ready to contribute immediately. You can talk up 2 star prospects all you want (what "underrated" prospect that commits to us isn't talked up like he's the fucking man on here?), but the reality is that unless we pick up some more big time talent we're going to fucking suck next year. Also, I couldn't care less if he's "missed" on any prospects or not according to you, those prospects haven't gotten us back to the tourney yet or made us a respectable program again so really they haven't done shit.

[Edited on March 23, 2009 at 9:08 PM. Reason : .]

3/23/2009 9:03:32 PM

^man, you should be the coach. it sounds like it'd be amazingly easy for you to step in and have 4/5 star guys lining up to commit.

easy on lowe. it's hard out there for a pimp.

3/23/2009 9:10:12 PM

Quote :

"The point isn't that NC State wasn't talented that year (they were)....it was that Houston was supposed to be the greatest team of all time and nobody gave us a shot to win it."

Well I guess the media was just a bunch of idiots as usual? I won't deny they might be the greatest team to never win a championship, but NC State was obviously the best team in the nation that year

3/23/2009 9:13:35 PM

Davis is gonna be sick. I heard Charleston Southern was hard after him. Can't believe we stole him from right under their noses. He is a solid as they come when talking 2 star players. I'm sure we could field a team of 1 and 2 star guys that bust their ass and want to be at NC State. Would we win any games? No, but I just want to see our team play hard. Now we just gotta start beating out Elon, NCCU, and Wilmington for recruits.


GO PACK 2009!!!!

We will return to glory next year!!!!!!

3/23/2009 9:16:39 PM

Should we have saved the scholarship for all the five-star guys that are beating down our door?

Fuck man, we have three to burn, there's nothing wrong with using one on a local guy who wants to be here and is underrated by many accounts.

Fuck all of you.

3/23/2009 9:20:08 PM

^ i'm w/ you Ernie!

3/23/2009 9:20:55 PM

^^^seriously, shut the fuck up

[Edited on March 23, 2009 at 9:22 PM. Reason : ,]

3/23/2009 9:22:03 PM

2 stars will suffice

3/23/2009 9:24:30 PM

let's criticize recruits before they even put on a college uniform

[Edited on March 23, 2009 at 9:26 PM. Reason : OMG HE ONLY HAZ 2 STARZ FROM THIS WEBSITE HE MUST SUCK!!!111]

3/23/2009 9:25:29 PM

Exactly

$20 says this Jmhans82 cocksucker had never heard of Davis before today, saw that he's only got a two-star rating on Scout and decided he'd seen enough.

These guys that have seen him play dozens of times know nothing, I'm going to be a faggot and hate on the guy because he's only got two stars.

We have some really shitty fans.

3/23/2009 9:28:18 PM

I cant wait to see Davis' youtube clips so we can see how badass he is gonna be next year. Yeaaaaah. Degand, Bartosz, Davis......ballers

I'm not hating on Davis. I am hating on our awesome coach for blowing a scholarship. Our program rules the shitter.

[Edited on March 23, 2009 at 9:34 PM. Reason : a]

3/23/2009 9:28:24 PM