Also, if Cradle was going to almost double their capacity, they needed to double the output of their air conditioning or something. It's always way too hot in there post-renovation. Some girl passed out last night.

4/13/2012 11:32:47 AM

Pretty sure they didn't "almost double" their capacity, but I'll agree the air in there sucks. However, and again, it's no different from any other venue like it. I remember the Black Cat in DC being equally as stuffy in a sold out environment.

Chick was probably dehydrated for various reasons other than bad air quality...

4/13/2012 12:02:18 PM

At least its not as bad as the Soapbox in Wilmington. Saw a show there last year and everyone in the place was drenched in sweat (not exaggerating). The band actually had to stop playing because one of their guitars was fucking up from all the sweat.

4/13/2012 2:03:00 PM

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"At least its not as bad as the Soapbox in Wilmington"

Not what I wanted to read right after I bought my ticket to see the wonder years there Sunday

4/13/2012 2:06:39 PM

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"Chick was probably dehydrated for various reasons other than bad air quality..."

She hadn't been drinking, so no

the only other show I've been to that was so hot was when Jonathan Richman turned off the AC at 506

4/13/2012 4:59:09 PM

^^Might not be so bad since it wont be all that hot out.

4/13/2012 5:00:59 PM

^^ Drinking isn't the only cause of dehydration.

FWIW, I have been to three sold out/near sold out shows at the new Cradle and have never felt excessively warm.

4/13/2012 5:04:41 PM

Seriously? I literally didn't even break a sweat at all at last night's show.

4/13/2012 6:49:42 PM

Cut Copy was the only awful experience I had there with the temp.

4/13/2012 7:19:49 PM

Was anybody else at the Sleater-Kinney show in DC where it was like a million degrees and they had to cancel the show because the transformer on the side of the building caught on fire? That was a hot show. But CC can get pretty hot too. They need one o' them Orange Peel fans.

The only show I've ever been to at Soapbox was sold out, and I was cool as a cucumber there.

ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

4/13/2012 7:28:51 PM

hottest shows i've been to have both been at lincoln theatre

4/13/2012 11:46:34 PM

at least the chicks were candied out, right?

4/14/2012 12:04:07 AM

Pshhhh, house shows are the hottest.

PPSSSSSHHHHHH

4/14/2012 2:55:03 AM

barefoot manner tonight. won tix on 88.1

4/14/2012 5:41:42 PM

"won"

4/14/2012 6:08:41 PM

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"I'm pretty tired of people saying "it's the Cat's Cradle," like there's some different mentality there or something. When King's regularly and consistently books national touring acts on par with Cat's Cradle, you'll see it's "not just the Cat's Cradle." People are dickheads everywhere..."

no.. it really is the fucking Cradle.

their crowds are the absolute worst.

4/14/2012 6:35:46 PM

Well, whatever. The Cradle pretty much wins in my book. They have awesome bands most of the time, they help other venues book awesome bands (including Kings, btw), and they regularly give away free tickets to shows via KNC. It's a win win situation, regardless of petty bullcrap like being "too stuffy" or "I don't like the new layout" or some other, again, petty crap.

4/15/2012 3:24:45 AM

regularly having crowds that want to do nothing but mill around and talk loudly, more so than any other venue in the triangle, is not "petty". i pay to go to the god damn show, not hear some obnoxious college kid talk for the duration.

it's not just the Cradle, though, the same crowds are at the 506 quite a bit. it's not only the venues, it's commonplace in that town, apparently.

as far as the Cradle being great for the triangle... LOLOLOLOL. you obviously haven't heard much regarding their business practices and the ways they've dicked over other venues over the years. they've done as much to hurt the music scene in the area as they have help it, but that has no influence on my opinion about their terrible crowds.

4/15/2012 3:54:34 PM

Did you go to Lambchop and Crooked Fingers last night?

What about Perfume Genius the other week?

I wish I had Raleigh examples, but I don't dabble down there much.

The point is, it's not just Chapel Hill. This isn't sports or something...

4/15/2012 5:36:15 PM

So, Spiritualized y'all?

4/15/2012 5:43:48 PM

Not sure how the Cradle presenting shows at other venues by way of their connections and so forth is "bad for the music scene in the Triangle," but I'd like to be informed...

4/15/2012 5:45:52 PM

that's not bad... what's bad are the venues, that over the decades they've been open, that they've bullied, ran out of business, and purposefully taken losses on shows to book competing shows at burgeoning venues in order to ensure they never posed a threat to the Cradle in the Triangle.

their owner is a first rate asshole and he's done this shit for ages. but hey, it's business, and all is fair... it, however, doesn't make him less of a scumbag, and it truly has hampered the scene in many ways. competition is always a good thing.



[Edited on April 15, 2012 at 7:15 PM. Reason : .]

4/15/2012 6:49:07 PM

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"and purposefully taken losses on shows to book competing shows at burgeoning venues in order to ensure they never posed a threat to the Cradle in the Triangle."

I never claimed to have insider knowledge into any of this booking/venue drama, but I'd like to know if you have specific examples. Did they shit on Raleigh or something? I just don't see how them booking a good show conflicting with another good show at another venue is "bad business for the Triangle" or whatever.

4/16/2012 12:42:59 AM

washed out with memoryhouse tonite @ cradle. word

4/16/2012 6:46:10 PM

I was there. Seen him like 4 times in the last two years and that was hands down the best performance.

CRADLE ALERT:

It was pretty damned hot in there tonight. A drunk kid was kinda irritating me a little towards the end. Talking wasn't bad at all, really. Top knots and bangs were also kind of annoying.

END CRADLE ALERT.

4/17/2012 12:35:00 AM

can we talk about how terrible the tupac hologram thing is

[Edited on April 17, 2012 at 12:51 AM. Reason : idk if this is the right thread. w/e]

4/17/2012 12:46:53 AM

It might be philosophically terrible. It looked fucking cool, though.

4/17/2012 4:15:06 AM

I was really hoping to see Yoda and Obi-Wan hangin' out with him at the end of it.

4/17/2012 8:24:49 AM

but yeah, i don't see how a live performance by a "hologram" could be considered anything but terrible, from a musical standpoint.

4/17/2012 10:50:14 AM

Washed Out live was pretty underwhelming. Backing band was not able to help pull off the sound or tone of the albums at all. Felt bad for the bass player.

4/17/2012 11:03:39 AM

thought the same when they opened for Cut Copy. boring show.

and that thing about the Cradle taking losses for shows just so they don't go other places is definitely true

4/17/2012 11:10:09 AM

I feel like Slims has been screwed over at least once by Kings, but it's all about hating Chapel Hill or something anyway, so whatever...

4/17/2012 11:49:37 AM

outside lands lineup is out



i'm shocked how good this is and am so pumped to be going. i'd say they got the best headliners of any festival this year, minus metallica. jack white, beck, and andrew bird are three of my favorite contemporary artists and will all be there, plus sigur ros, the kills, big boi, explosions in the sky, the walkmen, tame impala, ugh. this was supposed to be my consolation festival when i thought i couldn't do bonnaroo for a while, and as of last wednesday i'm doing both.

[Edited on April 17, 2012 at 11:54 AM. Reason : .]

4/17/2012 11:54:06 AM

You admit to having no knowledge of how booking works, but then throw out random accusations when someone else corroborates the story you admit to not understanding. Great.

4/17/2012 11:55:04 AM

I said I didn't have insider info on the Cradle. I never said I "didn't know how booking works." you don't have to be a pretentious douche about everything, ya know.

I do know that Kings has, on at least one occasion, screwed over Slims. I guess it angers you that I know that or something...

4/17/2012 12:20:32 PM

Hopscotch totally fucked Troika; that's another good example. The point is that when two people that vehemently hate Chapel Hill and never miss a beat to talk shit about it and everything in it, are talking about that, I feel the need to reiterate that it's not just the Cradle. All this could be avoided by not leaving Raleigh or something, by the way. For those that feel so strongly about it...

4/17/2012 2:29:03 PM

Songkick says Battles is playing at Cat's Cradle on June 10th.

4/17/2012 3:59:06 PM

washed out was underwhelming. It felt like the first show of their tour, which it was. It looked like they brought some pretty powerful lights that they could have used effectively, but their light show absolutely sucked donkey balls. And it was hawt as balls in there. They didn't do live sidechaining to get the pumping sound that is all over their records. They now have their own Missy Thangs but Washed Out's 2-bit copy doesn't do as much and is annoying. Their rave style songs were excellent but their slower songs were crap. I still like them.

memoryhouse is like beach house minus the talent/hooks

4/17/2012 6:04:23 PM

You realize that's his wife, right?

You folks are making me realize what a bastard I was for complaining about everything, because that's pretty much what's going on here. I had no issues with the show last night.

4/17/2012 6:30:19 PM

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"Songkick says Battles is playing at Cat's Cradle on June 10th."

fantastic. have been wanting to see them for quite a while.

4/17/2012 11:39:45 PM

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"You realize that's his wife, right?"

Marrying someone does not excuse their musical uselessness.



[Edited on April 18, 2012 at 4:32 AM. Reason : vjfdv]

4/18/2012 4:32:14 AM

Quote :

"You folks are making me realize what a bastard I was for complaining about everything"

that's your charm, i think people just expect it now. but yeah, at least its not just one kid with a laptop anymore. They fully deserve that brand new Mercedes tour van. I wish them well.

4/18/2012 10:52:40 AM

Shakori Hills time ya'll

Now they're selling beer too!

4/18/2012 4:58:16 PM

!!! at Motorco

4/18/2012 5:19:29 PM

On way to Protest the hero a Periphery at Lincoln

4/18/2012 5:57:40 PM

Had a kick ass time seeing Terry Malts last night. Tonight at !!! will be my third show in a row this week.

4/18/2012 8:38:54 PM

Kings kind of fucking blows, honestly. That entire place has one entrance/exit, the Neptunes bathroom is constantly a death pit, the people aren't friendly at all..., I constantly see that Jolly Roger looking motherfucker and the guy with the silly hat, it feels claustrophobic more than any place I've ever been,...their entire mantra is based on North State Sound (which has been picked up by many other places and isn't even based in Raleigh), they never have shows that draw a whole lot of attention...

lol at the people repping that place up in here...

4/19/2012 3:09:53 AM

!!! and Shabazz Palaces both fucking killed it. best show of the year.

4/19/2012 3:11:14 AM

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"On way to Protest the hero a Periphery at Lincoln"

That show ruled. Jeff Loomis is incredible too.

4/19/2012 10:47:23 AM

!!! is so much funnnnnnn

4/19/2012 11:29:34 AM