Eh, the mideast is always in ruin, someone's always getting their hands cut off. Can't let that interrupt free world business.

5/23/2011 5:19:01 PM

Reposting 49

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"Good to see O'Bama exploring his Irish roots while the Mid-West is in ruin."

Also, I guess he thinks those flooded states are a lost cause of republican voters so its better to campaign internationally instead.

Barack Obama doesn't care about farmers

5/23/2011 5:28:12 PM

I'm surprised the media isn't all over this, there is a lot of damage in all these tornado states.

5/23/2011 5:41:07 PM

OH GAWD

NERO'S GAWT THE FIDDLE

5/23/2011 5:57:22 PM

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"There are those on both sides, one just gets more media attention."

yep, because Israel really just wants to kill every Palestinian they can find. That's why they fire rockets indiscriminately into Gaza and the West Bank all the time. yep.

5/23/2011 7:11:48 PM

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"there is a lot of damage in all these tornadoflyover states."

5/23/2011 7:56:15 PM

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"because Israel really just wants to kill every Palestinian they can find"

There are a good number of people in Israel who wants that to happen, and they are able to participate politically and drive a bit of policy, unlike the fringe in Palestine.

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"That's why they fire rockets indiscriminately into Gaza and the West Bank all the time."

Their rockets come from helicopters, but yeah, they do.

5/23/2011 7:59:35 PM

Obama's latest speech.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91150432

Anyone thinking he is "turning his back on Israel" or whatever the current rhetoric is should probably read it.

5/23/2011 8:36:18 PM

5/23/2011 8:42:46 PM

Im guessing this Netanyahu address isnt going as planned by the WH. lol.

Biden has been funny to watch over this. Like his ass is on fire.

5/24/2011 12:07:35 PM

Better not lie or slander O'Bama, now there's a White House official that will "deal with you".

http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlny/white-house-dedicates-new-position-to-deal-with-unfavorable-online-media_b36292

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"White House Adds New Position to Deal with Unfavorable Online Media By Chris O'Shea on May 23, 2011 2:32 PM The White House has named Jesse Lee to a new position within its communications department titled Director of Progressive Media & Online Response. According to The Huffington Post, Lee will essentially be responsible for building up Obama’s online presence as he prepares for his reelection bid, and squashing any negative stories: The post is a new one for this White House. Rapid response has usually been outsourced to the Democratic National Committee (DNC), if not done on an ad-hoc basis by administration officials. And it signals that the White House will be adopting a more aggressive defense of the president and his policies as his re-election campaign gears up. If you’re going to post something online about Obama that isn’t true, Lee is going to be the one to handle you. Considering that Lee’s first tweet about his new position included a picture of The Terminator, we suggest you watch what you say OR BE DESTROYED. Okay that was a little dramatic, but you get the idea. "

5/24/2011 12:35:16 PM

Derp

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"This is how President Obama signed the guestbook at Westminster Abbey earlier today, where he got a tour from the Very Reverend Dr. John Hall and laid a wreath on the Grave of the Unknown Warrior. It is a great privilege to commemorate our common heritage, and common sacrifice. Barack Obama 24 May 2008 It was really nice until he got the date wrong by three years. Granted, 2008 was a great year for him, and we might try to live it for as long as possible, too, if we were him. Also, though, he may have had a stroke. Update: For those who find the European-style date suspicious, the Telegraph reports that a "Westminster Abbey spokeswoman confirmed it was the president who had written the wrong date.""

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/05/president_obama_has_no_idea_wh.html

5/24/2011 3:21:41 PM

5/24/2011 3:44:53 PM

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"There are a good number of people in Israel who wants that to happen"

i, too, can state things that aren't true

5/24/2011 3:54:36 PM

It is without a doubt true, it's just not talked about as frequently. Do you realize that Israel is the only civilized country with legal segregation and de jure racism?

5/24/2011 6:44:35 PM

and it's true because you say it is, right? Where are the political parties devoted to the eradication of Palestinian life? Where are the platforms that say such a thing? I'd think the Jews, of all people, would be quite opposed to genocide.

5/24/2011 6:46:08 PM

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"Where are the political parties devoted to the eradication of Palestinian life?"

They don't have to be as open about it. I see you've conveniently left out acknowledging the rampant racism that legally exists inside of Israel.

5/24/2011 6:52:35 PM

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"They don't have to be as open about it."

so it's a deep dark secret within the upper echelon of Israeli politics, akin to the Bildebergs and the Illuminati? And why need I address their racism? The moment they pass a law saying they can kill all Palestinians, I'll listen. I don't like their segregative laws, and I think those should be a topic of negotiation. But that is a far cry from saying "Israel wants to kill every last Palestinian," as you have alleged.

I've asked you for proof of this, and all you can do is allude to grand conspiracies and say "well, they don't like them." well, no shit they don't like them. Palestinians and their supporters have routinely blown themselves up in markets and committed all kinds of atrocities. I'd be for trying to segregate myself from them, as well. How much of the questionable laws is racism and how much is reactionary is up for debate, though.

[Edited on May 24, 2011 at 7:03 PM. Reason : ]

5/24/2011 7:01:14 PM

It's not any sort of secret, it's just not openly stated, it is more stated through the systemic destruction and theft of Palestinian homes and legal implementation of racist policies.

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"I don't like their segregative laws, and I think those should be a topic of negotiation."

Then why is the recognition of Israel as a Jewish state not up for debate. It clearly implies the racism that is so prevalent there.

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"I've asked you for proof of this"

I have given it to you by bringing up the racism they exhibit. What you are asking for is some sort of quote, which, while I'm sure could supply one, is irrelevant. They exihibit their intentions in their laws, even in their very name. They do not want anything but Jews in Israel, just like how the Palestinian extremists don't want anything but Palestinians in Palestine.

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"Palestinians and their supporters have routinely blown themselves up in markets and committed all kinds of atrocities. I'd be for trying to segregate myself from them, as well."

First, I find it strange that you will quickly identify Israeli innocents as civilians, but you seem to very easily group all Palestinians as violent. To exhibit my second point, let me restate your point with a different racial group and see if it helps you see it from their perspective.

Palestinians Blacks and their supporters have routinely committed all kinds of atrocities. I'd be for trying to segregate myself from them, as well.

Doesn't have the same ring to it if it's a more familiar and sensitive racial group, does it?

5/24/2011 7:59:02 PM

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"It's not any sort of secret, it's just not openly stated, it is more stated through the systemic destruction and theft of Palestinian homes and legal implementation of racist policies."

so, when our government declares eminent domain on some piece of land, it's due to a desire to kill off whoever lived or worked at that locale? Again, I'm not a huge fan of some of their policies, but given that it is kind of their land, by treaty at this point, they kind of have a right to use that land. I wish they'd act differently, and maybe that's what negotiations should be about.

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"Then why is the recognition of Israel as a Jewish state not up for debate. It clearly implies the racism that is so prevalent there."

The state of israel should be recognized, at this point. We can't go back and change the mistakes that were made. And, the majority of Israeli citizens want to acknowledge a state religion of Judaism. Ergo, Jewish state. Not to mention the whole historical dividing up of Palestine into two states, which essentially became Israel and Jordan. It's just the stupid fucking choice we made then, and the two states now exist. One Jewish, one not.

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"I have given it to you by bringing up the racism they exhibit."

And I've shown that it might not be entirely racism. Again, Jews don't seem to be the kind of people to endorse genocide.

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"First, I find it strange that you will quickly identify Israeli innocents as civilians, but you seem to very easily group all Palestinians as violent."

I certainly don't claim that all Palestinians are violent, but nice attempt at a diversion. Yet, we must admit that the people blowing themselves up in markets are, routinely, Palestinian. Ergo, there may be some protections against that enacted. I don't like it, but to say that it is entirely due to a wish to wipe them off the face of the earth is foolish and equally too far-reaching. Again, offer actual proof that the Israelis want to kill all Palestinians, not just conjecture.

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"Blacks and their supporters have routinely committed all kinds of atrocities."

Such as... Remind me again, of the terrible atrocities that Blacks committed in the US? Right. It has a different ring because they are two starkly different situation

[Edited on May 24, 2011 at 8:08 PM. Reason : ]

5/24/2011 8:08:16 PM

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"The state of israel should be recognized"

The jewish state of israel? Because that is what is being demanded.

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"acknowledge a state religion of Judaism"

No, they want to acknowledge a state RACE of judaism.

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"And I've shown that it might not be entirely racism."

Where? You've defended racism, I saw that part, I didn't see what you're talking about.

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"Yet, we must admit that the people blowing themselves up in markets are, routinely, Palestinian"

Serial killers are routinely white, should we begin segregating that race?

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"Remind me again, of the terrible atrocities that Blacks committed in the US?"

Well if we divide it by race, they are more likely to steal or murder, but that doesn't mean we can treat everyone in that race as a murderer or thief. I do not understand why you seem to be so willing to defend racism.

How many times do people of a specific race have to blow themselves up to allow us to discriminate against them?

5/24/2011 8:30:47 PM

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"The jewish state of israel? Because that is what is being demanded."

If that is what their voters want, then sure. We made it a jewish state 60 years ago. THere's no use squabbling over it now.

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"No, they want to acknowledge a state RACE of judaism."

Source?

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"Where? You've defended racism, I saw that part, I didn't see what you're talking about."

Nowhere did I do such a thing. Nice try.

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"Serial killers are routinely white, should we begin segregating that race?"

At the point that we have droves of serial killers emerging every week, then sure.

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"Well if we divide it by race, they are more likely to steal or murder, but that doesn't mean we can treat everyone in that race as a murderer or thief."

Actually, it's more correlated with socio-economic status than race. wow.

5/24/2011 11:25:16 PM

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"If that is what their voters want, then sure."

What if Palestinian voters want Hamas?

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"Source?"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Return
Note that you have to be a religiously jewish, which is discriminatory enough, but of course you can get around any of these requirements by only having the privilege of being born ethnically jewish (given of course, that you are ethnically jewish enough and the right kind of ethnically jewish). The rules on marriage are even more stringent on race, and interfaith marriages are completely forbidden.

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"Nowhere did I do such a thing."

well, no shit they don't like them [Palestinians]. Palestinians and their supporters have routinely blown themselves up in markets and committed all kinds of atrocities. I'd be for trying to segregate myself from them, as well

That is clearly a defense of racism. I know you don't like to think of yourself as a racist apologist, but that's exactly what that statement makes you.

That's exactly like saying that you can understand why people don't like italians because some of them are mafia, or not liking indians because some of them smell bad. It's racist, and unfortunately it's the status quo in Israel.

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"At the point that we have droves of serial killers emerging every week, then sure."

What's the exact number that it takes where it's ok to be racist?

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"Actually, it's more correlated with socio-economic status than race."

if we divide it by race
L2read

5/24/2011 11:38:55 PM

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"What if Palestinian voters want Hamas?"

if they can outvote the other israelis, then they can have it, given that "Palestine" rightfully belongs to Israel, by treaty.

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"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Return"

doesn't outlaw other races. thus the notion of a state "race" is absurd.

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"That is clearly a defense of racism."

not really. It's a slight rationalization of the existence reactionary policies, though I certainly don't like said policies.

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"What's the exact number that it takes where it's ok to be racist?"

you tell me. at what point would you undertake laws to protect yourself against a group of people that are trying to kill you?

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"if we divide it by race"

if we get rid of the number 3, then 2+2=5

5/24/2011 11:50:32 PM

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"if they can outvote the other israelis, then they can have it, given that "Palestine" rightfully belongs to Israel, by treaty."

I was pointing out that the Palestinians did vote in Hamas and were criticized for it. But regardless, I don't believe you should be able to vote in racism.

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"doesn't outlaw other races"

And segregation doesn't keep black people from using the restroom. The fact is that it allows one race privileges denied to another, that is the definition of racism.

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"It's a slight rationalization of the existence reactionary policies, though I certainly don't like said policies."

No, it was a defense of racism. I could rationalize the existence of the reactionary policy of the 3/5's compromise, it would still be a defense of racism.

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"you tell me. at what point would you undertake laws to protect yourself against a group of people that are trying to kill you?"

I would undertake laws to protect myself from the murders, not judge every member of a race by the actions of a few. There's no excuse for racism.

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"if we get rid of the number 3, then 2+2=5"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewbacca_defense

5/25/2011 12:11:58 AM

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"I was pointing out that the Palestinians did vote in Hamas and were criticized for it."

Of course they were. They voted in a violent terrorist group to represent them. They should be just as criticized for it as we would be were we to vote in a KKK group to power.

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"The fact is that it allows one race privileges denied to another, that is the definition of racism."

Not really. Notwithstanding the fact that you haven't shown ANY of the laws that are supposedly racist and trying to "kill all Palestinians," the one example you cited merely says "Jews are welcome here!" It doesn't say "everyone else keep the fuck out!", it doesn't say "no one else can be a citizen." It says "Jews can be citizens no matter what." Is it dumb? Maybe. But then again, it's a state specifically created for fucking Jews, what else should we expect? Get back to me when they pass laws that say "kill all non-Jews in Israel." Get back to me when they pass laws that say "Remove all non-Jews from Israel." A law that says "we impose a blockade over here because people from here keep blowing up our markets" hardly seems "racist."

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"No, it was a defense of racism. I could rationalize the existence of the reactionary policy of the 3/5's compromise, it would still be a defense of racism."

No, not really. A defense would be "this is a good idea."

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"I would undertake laws to protect myself from the murders, not judge every member of a race by the actions of a few. There's no excuse for racism."

You are correct. Now, show me the laws that say "no non-Jew is to be trusted ever." Ironically, as I am researching the subject, I see that the Israeli SC is specifically reiterating that discriminatory laws are to be struck down. Hardly sounds like a complete system of "racist laws" if even their basic "constitution" of sorts forbids it. Granted, so did ours, and we had our history of it, but there is every reason to believe that Israel will make the same progress we did, especially if their courts are upholding such basic principles.

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"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewbacca_defense"

and you get my exactly point. if you make an absurd assumption, you then come up with an absurd conclusion. which you did

[Edited on May 25, 2011 at 3:40 PM. Reason : ]

5/25/2011 3:40:01 PM

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"They voted in a violent terrorist group to represent them. They should be just as criticized for it as we would be were we to vote in a KKK group to power."

Should Israel be criticized for voting in a racist government?
You seemed to be defending them with this statement: If that is what their voters want, then sure.

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"But then again, it's a state specifically created for fucking Jews, what else should we expect?"

That is racist. What if germany considered itself a state specifically created for white people? Would you not criticize them? What if they allowed any white person citizenship immediately while making anyone else jump through bureaucratic hoops? What if they bureaucratically prohibited interracial marriages? All of these things are happening in israel yet they get little criticism over it. It's an outrage. Their continued racism is just a systemic way to dehumanize and demote the palestinians as lesser beings, which is really the start to any good genocide. It doesn't sound racist to you because you are a semiphile racist apologist.

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"A defense would be "this is a good idea.""

No, that's not a defense, that's an argument for it, completely different things. I didn't call you a racist, I called you a racist apologist.

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"Israeli SC is specifically reiterating that discriminatory laws are to be struck down"

They might say it, but until they do it, they are racists.

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"and we had our history of it, but there is every reason to believe that Israel will make the same progress we did, especially if their courts are upholding such basic principles"

There you are defending racism again. RACISM IS WRONG. Is it that hard to say? RACIST LAWS ARE WRONG. ISRAEL'S POLICY OF DE JURE DISCRIMINATION IS WRONG. How is this complicated? Why do you feel the need to constantly defend racists?

5/25/2011 4:56:05 PM

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"There you are defending racism again. RACISM IS WRONG. Is it that hard to say? RACIST LAWS ARE WRONG. ISRAEL'S POLICY OF DE JURE DISCRIMINATION IS WRONG. How is this complicated? Why do you feel the need to constantly defend racists?"

I've already said as much.

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"Should Israel be criticized for voting in a racist government?"

If you can show that they have done so, then sure.

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"What if they allowed any white person citizenship immediately while making anyone else jump through bureaucratic hoops? "

Then it wouldn't be comparable to what Israel has. You might want to do a little research. They have jus sanguinis citizenship, for starters. They also have a process for naturalization. If following a naturalization process is racist, then the US must be racist, too.

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"What if they bureaucratically prohibited interracial marriages?"

no, they don't. Nice try.

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"No, that's not a defense, that's an argument for it, completely different things."

no, it would be a defense.

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"They might say it, but until they do it, they are racists."

I'm sure they are racists. what's your point? Right, you don't have one.

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"There you are defending racism again."

No, I'm really not. I'm sorry that you can't bring up any example of racist laws. now get off your high horse

5/25/2011 5:21:50 PM

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"I've already said as much."

You haven't, but I don't doubt that you will, I've debated with you enough to know you're not a racist, I'd just like to hear you say that you dislike Israel's racist laws.

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"If you can show that they have done so, then sure."

How do you think those racist laws I have described got there?

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"They have jus sanguinis citizenship, for starters. They also have a process for naturalization. If following a naturalization process is racist, then the US must be racist, too."

It's the fact that you can get around any of those laws by having a jewish mother that makes them racist.

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"no, they don't(marriage)"

If you are a non-jew, you CANNOT marry a jew. If you are a non-jew ethnically then you can possibly marry a ethnic jew, but there are several bureaucratic loops you have to jump through. But since all of this is irrelevant if you were born jew, it all is racist.

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"I'm sure they are racists. what's your point? Right, you don't have one."

Their continued racism is just a systemic way to dehumanize and demote the palestinians as lesser beings, which is really the start to any good genocide.

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"No, I'm really not. I'm sorry that you can't bring up any example of racist laws."

So requiring nothing from one racial group and a shit ton of bureaucratic work for anyone of another race to do anything from getting citizenship to getting married is not racist? Just imagine if that were the same case for ANY other racial group. There would be an outrage.

5/25/2011 10:16:42 PM

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"I'd just like to hear you say that you dislike Israel's racist laws."

Already did. go back and read.

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"How do you think those racist laws I have described got there?"

Oh, i'm just a bill, not a law... or however the song goes. Still waiting for you to show those racist laws. The ones that say "Jews are awesome and every one else sux and needs to get out."

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"It's the fact that you can get around any of those laws by having a jewish mother that makes them racist."

Not really. They have laws that allow anyone to become a citizen. They also have a special law that says "Jews welcome." If it said "every one else stay the fuck out," then it'd be racist.

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"If you are a non-jew, you CANNOT marry a jew."

Not by Israeli law, but by religious rules. Israel will accept any marriage that is performed by a religious entity.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israeli-nonjews-can-now-marry-724844.html

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"Marriages in Israel are under the sole jurisdiction of Jewish, Muslim, Christian and other religious authorities."

But hey, keep spreading lies. it really makes you look good.

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"Their continued racism is just a systemic way to dehumanize and demote the palestinians as lesser beings, which is really the start to any good genocide."

Yep, the Jews really are ones to promote genocide. Yep, they love it!

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"So requiring nothing from one racial group and a shit ton of bureaucratic work for anyone of another race to do anything from getting citizenship to getting married is not racist?"

Well, if that were actually occurring, then you might have a point. But it isn't, so you don't. Funny how that works

5/26/2011 6:49:45 PM

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"Still waiting for you to show those racist laws. The ones that say "Jews are awesome and every one else sux and needs to get out."

I have shown racist and discriminatory laws.

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"Not really. They have laws that allow anyone to become a citizen. They also have a special law that says "Jews welcome." If it said "every one else stay the fuck out," then it'd be racist."

Do you not see how that is racist? It gives preference to one race over another.

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"Not by Israeli law, but by religious rules. Israel will accept any marriage that is performed by a religious entity."

What's the difference, they still make interfaith marriages illegal.

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"Well, if that were actually occurring, then you might have a point. But it isn't"

It is occuring. And for some reason you seem set on being an apologist for racists.

5/26/2011 7:36:31 PM

I know most of you won't watch this, but it's a pretty good explanation of US-Israel kabuki theater.

5/27/2011 1:44:16 AM

youre right- most of us wont watch it for 2 reasons.

1) you posted it
2) its lawrence o donnell (jesus tittyfucking christ)

5/27/2011 8:20:08 AM

^you forgot the 3rd reason.

5/27/2011 8:35:56 AM

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"What's the difference, they still make interfaith marriages illegal."

pretty big difference there, bud.

If a christian pastor marries a jew and a christian, Israeli law recognizes it.

5/27/2011 8:46:37 AM

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"If a christian pastor marries a jew and a christian, Israeli law recognizes it."

If they do it outside of Israel, but it is prohibited within the borders of Israel by law.

5/27/2011 9:40:59 AM

More terrible parts of the "Patriot" Act renewed.

-1000 credibility

5/27/2011 10:34:44 AM

This video made me sick to my stomach, literally: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzjYUmi5_IQ

What a fucking sham.

5/27/2011 11:47:11 AM

Rise of the machines: Autopen puts bill into law, and touches off debate
http://whitehouse.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/27/rise-of-the-machines-autopen-puts-bill-into-law/?hpt=T2

5/27/2011 2:04:08 PM

OMG! AN AUTOPEN! AAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH! What next???? Contracts sent via fax machines and e-mail????

5/27/2011 2:08:58 PM

Sweet Christ, you are a fucking dipshit.

5/27/2011 3:00:56 PM

It's so sad to see republicans grasping at the most meager of straws.

5/27/2011 10:52:17 PM

I've yet to see republicans attack him over this. It's been a discussion about the precedent set by signing a bill with an autopen in the absence of the president.

But go ahead and try to make everything a partisan issue, tard.

5/28/2011 11:42:26 AM

^Can't be any worse than a Kenyan Muslim signing in person, can it?

5/31/2011 12:06:54 PM

Oh, you must be referring to all of the times that I called Obama a Kenyan Muslim.

You sure zinged me.

5/31/2011 2:37:33 PM

^ so you agree that both are non-issues.

5/31/2011 2:58:27 PM

Oh, it's a strawman argument.

You sure zinged me again.

5/31/2011 3:15:12 PM

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"If they do it outside of Israel, but it is prohibited within the borders of Israel by law."

Again, 100% false. If a religious authority performs the marriage, Israel will recognize it, no matter where the marriage is performed. You might wanna do a little research

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"I have shown racist and discriminatory laws."

no, you haven't.

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"What's the difference, they still make interfaith marriages illegal."

no, they don't.

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"It is occuring. And for some reason you seem set on being an apologist for racists"

and 2+2=5. Because I say so. so there!

[Edited on June 2, 2011 at 6:10 PM. Reason : ]

6/2/2011 6:08:35 PM

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"Again, 100% false. If a religious authority performs the marriage, Israel will recognize it, no matter where the marriage is performed. You might wanna do a little research"

http://www.change.org/petitions/tell-israel-to-stop-banning-interfaith-marriage
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_in_Israel
http://www.queerty.com/if-you-think-american-marriage-laws-suck-just-look-at-israels-20110510/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/Cyrus_Trance/us-arab-israeli-peace-process_n_848596_84484645.html

Should I find more?

6/2/2011 6:39:03 PM

I can’t believe burro is arguing in favor of a theocracy… ludicrous.

6/2/2011 7:33:51 PM