to win? why would he NOT want to go there? UCLA is a top 5 job.

We had more talent than UNC this year and more than Duke with Kelly out.

3/18/2013 11:17:13 PM

http://ucla.scout.com/search.aspx?s=12&p=19&sitesearch=scout.com&q=Mark%20Gottfried

3/18/2013 11:21:09 PM

Quote :

"UCLA is a top 5 job."

Duke, UNC, Kentucky, Kansas and Indiana are better jobs, without putting more than 5 seconds of thought into that

UCLA has as many titles since the 70s as we do

3/18/2013 11:24:52 PM

wrong

3/18/2013 11:29:46 PM

wrong about what

3/18/2013 11:32:43 PM

everything

3/18/2013 11:33:15 PM

well i know how many titles each team has since the 70s, so i know i'm right about that fact

and why is UCLA a better job than any of the 5 i mentioned?

4 of them have titles (some multiple) since UCLA last won one...and you said it yourself, Indiana is the favorite this year, whereas UCLA will be lucky to make it out of the first round

[Edited on March 18, 2013 at 11:34 PM. Reason : SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT JOB]

3/18/2013 11:33:54 PM

well if you base a job on recent team performance then indiana would have been similar to ncstate. you are talking about the programs while i am talking about the jobs.

top 5 programs and top 5 jobs are two different things.

3/18/2013 11:38:18 PM

Calipari made $6.2 million this year to take his team to the NIT

sounds like the best job in the country, hands down

why is UCLA a better job than the other powerhouse historically dominant NCAA programs?

you act like the programs I named are a bunch of scrubs

3/18/2013 11:40:09 PM

swap out UCLA for IU and you'll redeem yourself


interesting note -- if UCLA wins their first round game, they'll move into 7th all time in wins. And they began playing 10 to 25 years later than teams 1-6

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_teams_with_the_most_victories_in_NCAA_Division_I_men%27s_college_basketball

3/18/2013 11:40:56 PM

Wooden was a great motivator and great molder of young men

he was also a pussy afraid to schedule games in the eastern half of the country

the last time UCLA was truly relevant, Shabazz Muhammad was a toddler

Ed O'Bannon is like 40 years old right now

and don't get me wrong, i LOVE to act like UCLA is the best program by bringing up their title count when UNC or Kentucky fans are pumping their chests

but UCLA the last 15 years is basically Butler

i know you're a huge Pac-12 fan so you'll disagree, but those are the facts

[Edited on March 18, 2013 at 11:46 PM. Reason : .]

3/18/2013 11:45:17 PM

believe it or not, but I don't give a shit about the Pac 12

3/18/2013 11:47:30 PM

you are both talking about programs. ucla is a not a top 5 program. no one is debating that. any post about wins is speaking on the program and NOT the job.

calip would be on hotseat if he didn't win it all last year.

[Edited on March 18, 2013 at 11:49 PM. Reason : big time hotseat but not fired]

3/18/2013 11:48:00 PM

you're right. I AM debating that UCLA is a top-5 program

3/18/2013 11:48:54 PM

whatever

UCLA isn't the job it was 20 years ago

hell, UConn is a better job nowadays, high school recruits actually remember them winning multiple titles and can name players who played for them

[Edited on March 18, 2013 at 11:49 PM. Reason : ^^^]

3/18/2013 11:48:59 PM

ok my bad. you can debate that. i'm just saying that you don't have to be a top 5 program to be a top 5 job.

3/18/2013 11:50:32 PM

what, in your opinion, are the top 5 bball jobs, The E Man?

3/18/2013 11:50:56 PM

UNC Kentucky Kansas UCLA Indiana in no special order.

[Edited on March 18, 2013 at 11:53 PM. Reason : one could argue any of them being the top but it would come down personal preference]

3/18/2013 11:52:40 PM

ucla >>>>>>> uconn

uconn is nothing. theyre done now that calhoun is gone. theres a reason no one wants that POS school

3/18/2013 11:53:34 PM

Duke isn't a top-5 job? thats ridiculous

^my point is blue chip high school recruits actually remember UConn winning titles and putting players in the NBA

[Edited on March 18, 2013 at 11:54 PM. Reason : .]

3/18/2013 11:53:36 PM

yea man westbrook and kevin love suck

3/18/2013 11:54:27 PM

Academics make it much more difficult. Fanbase is smaller and following in K's footsteps could be miserable. ACC is too competitive and theres no recruiting base.

[Edited on March 18, 2013 at 11:55 PM. Reason : K is just that great. ]

3/18/2013 11:54:39 PM

^^they've put basically 2 good players in the NBA in the last 20 years, you just named them

UConn has put a bunch in...Ray Allen, Rip Hamilton, Okafor, Caron Butler, Drummond looks like a budding star, even Villanueva is known by players more than Tyus Edney

oh yeah, 3 titles in high school players lifetimes > 0 titles in high school players lifetimes

^Duke is a top 5 job, period

which is why they'll be able to hire anybody they want when K retires, while UCLA will be scrounging for Mark Gottfried

[Edited on March 19, 2013 at 12:00 AM. Reason : .]

[Edited on March 19, 2013 at 12:00 AM. Reason : .]

[Edited on March 19, 2013 at 12:01 AM. Reason : sorry, cant forget about Baron Davis]

3/18/2013 11:59:39 PM

K has never produced a great pro. although Kyrie could end up being pretty amazing, but he barely played for K. don't know if that's relevant to this program/job debate or not

3/19/2013 12:02:01 AM

feeding the troll

in this thread

3/19/2013 12:02:17 AM

guys like Grant Hill, Luol Deng, Carlos Boozer are (were) very good NBA players

but Duke has 4 national titles in the last 25 years, and are one of the most dominant programs year in and year out

we can argue UCLA vs Indiana, but i dunno how people cant admit that Duke is clearly a top-5 college bball program AND job right now

3/19/2013 12:04:18 AM

the program is determined by the coach and although the wrong job can prevent a coach from having a good program things like wins, pros, and recent activity are more of a reflection on the coaches program than the job itself.

[Edited on March 19, 2013 at 12:08 AM. Reason : you forgot jrue holiday even though im not debating pro development]

3/19/2013 12:04:30 AM

I'd rather work in L.A. than in Bloomington

3/19/2013 12:06:02 AM

Quote :

"things like wins, pros, and recent activity are more of a reflection on the coaches program than the job itself."

things like wins, pros and recent activity are what help define a program / great job

if not, UNC wouldnt be a top 5 job, it would all just be a result of Dean, Roy, MJ and a few titles

^me too...but LA already has an even better bball program...the Lakers...Indiana has been fertiel college bball ground for decades

[Edited on March 19, 2013 at 12:07 AM. Reason : .]

3/19/2013 12:06:33 AM

Quote :

"^^they've put basically 2 good players in the NBA in the last 20 years, you just named them "

lol baron davis

all 3 of those guys are better than anyone from uconn besides allen

3/19/2013 12:10:53 AM

I'm sure Howland goes into blue chip prospects homes and brings his Final Four banners

while Calhoun would go in and recruit kids with his triple bling

[Edited on March 19, 2013 at 12:14 AM. Reason : and fwiw, Rip Hamilton had a better career than BD]

3/19/2013 12:13:23 AM

-ucla has the west coast on lock.

-it is the alpha school in the best recruiting state in the country
- it is the alpha school in a top 5 recuriting city in the country
- a good coach could easily dominate the pac12 (easy power conference with no other dominant coaches or historically dominant programs in sight) for years while still getting the exposure of a power conference
- top notch facilities
- top notch campus
- located in westwood (what 18 year old kid would choose the others over that? all else equal)
- rich history
- more realistic expectations than programs that have had more success lately.

[Edited on March 19, 2013 at 12:15 AM. Reason : competing wit arizona for all of the best recruits.]

[Edited on March 19, 2013 at 12:15 AM. Reason : j]

its basically the same as the others except its isolated on an "island" with unlimited resources and no competitors.

[Edited on March 19, 2013 at 12:18 AM. Reason : island meaning no syracuse unc next door.]

3/19/2013 12:14:05 AM

Reggie Miller

[Edited on March 19, 2013 at 12:15 AM. Reason : nevermind. drafted 25 years ago]

3/19/2013 12:14:56 AM

aside from the rich history, you could apply a lot of those points to a school with no history like Southern Cal

not buying it

3/19/2013 12:17:33 AM

calhoun can go in and recruit...wait, he cant recruit shit, because he was forced into retirement for cheating

3/19/2013 12:17:57 AM

UConn has won multiple national titles while guys like Julius Randle have been alive, thats my point about UConn

do you also think UCLA is a better job than Duke?

3/19/2013 12:20:27 AM

You can't say that about any other school. Thats why its arguably the best job in the country and definitely a top 5 job. If you took history away from the other programs at the time of the current coaches hire then they have nothing.

3/19/2013 12:21:50 AM

K was hired in what, 1980 or something? who cares what Duke did before then, Duke is easily a top-5 job, nobody gives a shit what you did in the 60s and 70s, or NC State would be a top-10 job

3/19/2013 12:23:51 AM

no one gives a shit about uconn's last title. it was a total fluke. did we get sick recruits from the 83 run or did we have to bring in damaged goods?

go look up uconn's recruiting class. theyre done. theyre louisville without money

3/19/2013 12:25:15 AM

why are you obsessing over uconn? i mentioned they had recent titles, and thats all youre posting about

3/19/2013 12:26:30 AM

I'm just saying that the best coach ever developing and carrying out his career at your school doesn't automatically make you the best job ever. You can't just assume anyone can walk in there and do what K has done.

Academics and competition will make it very difficult for people to win like him there again.

[Edited on March 19, 2013 at 12:28 AM. Reason : Wooden is not why ucla is such a great job but yeah its good just like k is good for duke]

3/19/2013 12:27:23 AM

k has made duke a great job. they were a good job before but they have an established identity now. theyre not going anywhere. their next coach will likely suck but he'll get the doh treatment if that happens

[Edited on March 19, 2013 at 12:31 AM. Reason : ssss]

3/19/2013 12:31:04 AM

if UCLA was STILL a top-5 coaching job, you'd think they would've done better than they had the last 20 years

I mean, I'd rather live, coach and recruit in LA than East Lansing, but Michigan State is also a better job than UCLA

3/19/2013 12:31:35 AM

you mean tom izzo is a better coach than ben howland. you can't seem to distinguish between schools and the coaches they have hired.

3/19/2013 12:38:11 AM

you can't seem to distinguish that what was a great job 20 years ago might not still be a great job, compared to other jobs

3/19/2013 12:39:41 AM

so what changed since 1993 that made ucla not a good job?

3/19/2013 12:42:19 AM

its a good job, its just not a top-5 job

3/19/2013 12:42:36 AM

was it the death of tupac and west coast rap that did the ucla job in?

3/19/2013 12:43:17 AM

If it isn't results and records then what makes a job good?

I mean NY is a pretty good place to live for a wealthy individual (like a prominent college coach) but all their programs suck. So I don't think you can really factor in location.

3/19/2013 12:45:16 AM

^^thats ridiculous

i think its when John Singleton started directing shitty movies

[Edited on March 19, 2013 at 12:45 AM. Reason : .]

3/19/2013 12:45:24 AM