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3/23/2009 11:34:07 PM

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"Maybe because they haven't stepped on the fucking court yet?"

I've never seen a 2 or 3 star player we've gotten a commitment from in football or basketball not have a bunch of positive stuff said about them when they commit. Not all of them are good players or will become good players. TOB has a track record of developing unheralded players, Sidney does not which is why this worries me in Basketball and not football.

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"We have the twentieth highest-rated class in the nation. Number 20 Out of 300 something That's us"

dude you know what I mean, Leslie decommitted, we got neither Favors or Cousins and Wall looks like he's going to Memphis, plus the rumors about Brown not qualifying and Howell's back being fucked up again.

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""Hi, I am a two star" http://miami.scout.com/a.z?s=13&p=8&c=1&nid=1015006"

so every two star player is Jack McClinton right? Just because recruiting rankings don't mean everything DOESN"T mean they're totally worthless.

[Edited on March 23, 2009 at 11:37 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on March 23, 2009 at 11:50 PM. Reason : .]

3/23/2009 11:37:01 PM

now we've devolved into criticizing things that haven't even happened yet

3/23/2009 11:42:22 PM

I think it would be wise to redshirt him that way we see if he grows any more, plus he can work on his game. Then by his 4th and 5th year he could easily be a regular contributor at the least.

3/23/2009 11:51:20 PM

I feel really bad for Lowe. Like armor said he needs to get top talent now to keep his job but by looking at taking 1-2 more HIGH risk guys this year I'm just not sure about that gamble he is making. The staff appears to be good talent evaluators so I hope I'm wrong and that the impatience and pressure from fans isn't forcing him to hedge his recruiting on succeeding next year.

[Edited on March 24, 2009 at 12:01 AM. Reason : .]

3/23/2009 11:59:38 PM

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"dude you know what I mean, Leslie decommitted, we got neither Favors or Cousins and Wall looks like he's going to Memphis, plus the rumors about Brown not qualifying and Howell's back being fucked up again."

Potentially losing Leslie is a blow, but we never had a great shot at Favors or Cousins and I don't put much stock in rumors about Brown. Despite all that shit, we still have a top 20 class coming in next year; the wheels have not come off.

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"I'm just not sure about that gamble he is making."

It's not a gamble! We didn't give up or last scholarship for this guy, we didn't turn down Wall for him. We have three to give, why the fuck would we not use them?

3/24/2009 12:08:08 AM

the dude planned to walk on anyways


if he sucks next year i dont doubt we cant take away that scholly and him pay his own way.



give him a chance, the high school coaches around say he is a legit athlete with HUGE upside once in a system that caters to his high strung style.

3/24/2009 12:08:45 AM

Honestly, I dont even think Lowe needs top talent to succeed. I think he needs athletes who are smart basketball players and play hard.


I can see this team next year being better because of that.

3/24/2009 12:10:26 AM

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"I can see this team next year being better because of that."

optimistic posts: 1
pessimistic posts: 696238

jk though i think we will be as good (record-wise) as we were this year or better next year...maybe i'm just optimistic, but you can't underestimate things like chemistry and attitude and the POSSIBILITY that we have a better record next year...if our record is better or worse, i dont expect it to be THAT different from our record this year...you can always point out that we're losing our top scorers or seniors, but that happens nearly every year at every school...i for one have seen improvement out of sid, more of an understanding of the game, even though it didnt translate to a ton of wins last year, so i'm optimistic about next season

i also realize the alternatives to being optimistic about not season are not caring, or being pessimistic, and i do care about bball, and i dont want to live a shitty sports existence, so being realistically optimistic seems to be the way to go

[Edited on March 24, 2009 at 12:15 AM. Reason : .]

3/24/2009 12:12:24 AM

^i like the way you think

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"I think he needs athletes who are smart basketball players and play hard. "

QFT


Fells could have been a henderson or ellington type player


but he was too retarded to do anything but be inconsistant as fuck

[Edited on March 24, 2009 at 12:15 AM. Reason : ^]

3/24/2009 12:14:51 AM

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"Honestly, I dont even think Lowe needs top talent to succeed. I think he needs athletes who are smart basketball players and play hard."

I don't disagree with you but the team will still be very young the next two years. I think he must have enough scholarships available to go after the the top talent in the 2010 class so that he can succeed in the immediate future and keep off the vultures.

[Edited on March 24, 2009 at 12:22 AM. Reason : 2010]

3/24/2009 12:18:57 AM

hey, dumb players are good too

i've seen a lot of them do quite well at this level and in the NBA

3/24/2009 12:20:58 AM

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"i for one have seen improvement out of sid, more of an understanding of the game, even though it didnt translate to a ton of wins last year, so i'm optimistic about next season"

There was improvement from last year to this year but not enough, 12th place to 10th place strikes me as marginal especially when you consider that we actually beat some good teams out of conference last year. I really want us to be much better next year, but with what's happened in the last month or two as far as player attrition and recruiting it's hard to believe it's going to happen.

3/24/2009 12:21:17 AM

don't give up, don't ever give up you fucking state fans you

realistically optimistic

its not unrealistic to think we could improve our 6-10 this year to 8-8 or something and with a couple good wins, flirt with the dance

[Edited on March 24, 2009 at 12:23 AM. Reason : .]

3/24/2009 12:22:31 AM

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"don't give up, don't ever give up you fucking state fans you"

lulz, maybe what Sid does with the remaining two scholarships will breathe some wind into our sails.

[Edited on March 24, 2009 at 12:24 AM. Reason : .]

3/24/2009 12:23:41 AM

i want to make a t-shirt with that line on it

bitch will sell like hot cakes on the brickyard

3/24/2009 12:25:30 AM

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"There was improvement from last year to this year but not enough, 12th place to 10th place strikes me as marginal especially when you consider that we actually beat some good teams out of conference last year."

If we make the same jump from this season to next season as we did from Sids second to third year, we will finish above 500 in the ACC and go to the tournament...mark my words.


We went from not competing at all to being in every game but about 3, and it can be argued that those games we lost by large margins (clemson, d00k, unc at rbc) we were actually competitive for most of the game. Basically, if this team can be as good as this year but learn how to close out games, we'll win a bunch. I'm telling you, we weren't that far off this season, which is why I don't understand all of the negativity. Sure, it hurts a little more to lose the close games, but I'd rather watch that from a team who is improving than watch that from a team who is getting progressively worse (like gt).

3/24/2009 7:52:36 AM

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"hey, dumb players are good too i've seen a lot of them do quite well at this level and in the NBA "

you can be smart in the classroom and fucking retarded on the court....Im a good example of that


Talking about playing smart not academically smart

3/24/2009 9:29:44 AM

We should be competitive in the ACC based simply on who the ACC should be losing next year -- Henderson, Rice, Douglas, McClinton, Vasquez, Vassallo, all of UNC/Wake.

This is assuming we don't have an injury to Smith or Javi, and that Brown qualifies (please God let that kid quality).

3/24/2009 9:40:33 AM

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"We should be competitive in the ACC based simply on who the ACC should be losing next year -- Henderson, Rice, Douglas, McClinton, Vasquez, Vassallo, all of UNC/Wake"

that's sort of what I was thinking....Seems like the ACC as a whole is likely in for a down year in '09.

3/24/2009 9:49:29 AM

so did anyone else notice that scout downgraded Davis to a one star player after we offered him? 1 fucking star? He is certain to be the next Jack McClinton.

link: http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=9&c=8&cfg=bb&toinid=358&yr=2009



[Edited on March 24, 2009 at 9:51 AM. Reason : link]

3/24/2009 9:50:28 AM

did you know that 1 star recruits mean that they have not been evaluated by that service?

go the fuck away

3/24/2009 9:54:45 AM

^ he was a 2 star recruit yesterday, and is now a 1 star, that's all I'm saying. Don't get your panties in a wad, dude.

3/24/2009 10:00:56 AM

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"So we're all in agreement, right? We're just ignoring OhBoyeee's trolling from here on out? Good"

3/24/2009 10:05:23 AM

^ good job of "ignoring" me. It amazes me that we are witnessing the beginning of the end of this Lowe experiment and some of you are stomping your feet and pouting about it. You may call my posts trolling or whatever you want, but I'm simply calling a spade a spade.

3/24/2009 10:08:55 AM

3/24/2009 10:18:56 AM

for those of you who don't believe me.. he was a 2 star just yesterday and was downgraded to 1 star overnight:



Maybe.. just maybe.. he can overachieve and actually perform at the level of a 2 star.

3/24/2009 10:25:58 AM

THE SKY IS FALLING HE WENT FROM UNRANKED TO NOT RATED FUCK ME IN THE POOP CHUTE

3/24/2009 10:27:38 AM

3/24/2009 10:33:40 AM

The star rating system isn't perfect and I know that. I've NEVER seen the guy play, nor even heard of him as of yesterday. There is a chance that he could be great, but the odds certainly against him. There must be some reason that no other division 1 programs (300+) offered him. My personal opinion is that Lowe has mismanaged the recruiting and scholarships, but that is just my opinion.

Lowe will have all his players for 4th year, it will be about time for him to do something with the hodge podge line up we are going to have.

^ this is textbook trolling you are attempting, is it not?

[Edited on March 24, 2009 at 10:36 AM. Reason : []

3/24/2009 10:35:57 AM

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"did you know that 1 star recruits mean that they have not been evaluated by that service?"

^why didn't you answer his question?? or are you too fucking stupid to realize that hes correct you dipshit.

3/24/2009 10:52:49 AM

seriously.

we need to stop responding to this assclown.

3/24/2009 10:58:01 AM

^^ so on the same service (scout.com) he was a 2 star yesterday. Today on the exact same service he is a 1 star, you fucking piece of shit. (since it is really cool to name call).

^ you need to stop responding to me you fucking asshole idiot son of a bitch (since it is really cool to name call).

[Edited on March 24, 2009 at 11:06 AM. Reason : []

3/24/2009 11:05:19 AM

I just pictured Fez from that 70's show behind the monitor yelling that at his computer lol

3/24/2009 11:22:48 AM

Uhm, I'm not sure what you dudes are smoking, but all signs point to us being considerably worse next year than we were this year. Same shit coach + less good players = crappier season. I'm sure all these "highly touted recruits" will save us though

3/24/2009 11:22:55 AM

how do we have less good players? I really don't think loosing Fells, Costner, McCauley will hurt.

3/24/2009 11:27:25 AM

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"how do we have less good players? I really don't think loosing Fells, Costner, McCauley will hurt"

I agree, on any given night, one of them was playing well. Another one might have a semi-decent performance, and the third might as well have been playing with no hands. I don't think we'll miss them too much, except for the front-court size and depth. Maybe the experience, but they really weren't typical "experienced senior leaders". McCauley, maybe.

V Nobody said "benefit". Where'd you get that? Oh yes, your habit of putting words in people's mouth. It was just said that it wouldn't hurt, or we wouldn't miss them too much.

[Edited on March 24, 2009 at 11:47 AM. Reason : V]

3/24/2009 11:32:18 AM

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"I really don't think loosing Fells, Costner, McCauley will hurt."

Oh really? I could maybe see the addition by subtraction argument with Costner (although it seems like a stretch since he'd be a 5th year senior), but losing the other two likely won't benefit our program.

3/24/2009 11:36:47 AM

We lost our top two scorers when Hickson and Grant left yet somehow our playing improved.

3/24/2009 12:12:08 PM

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"V Nobody said "benefit". Where'd you get that? Oh yes, your habit of putting words in people's mouth. It was just said that it wouldn't hurt, or we wouldn't miss them too much."

Well, if you acknowledge it won't benefit the program, then you also acknowledge we likely won't get any better without them.

I'm curious to know what are your realistic expectations for next season then?

3/24/2009 12:18:08 PM

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"how do we have less good players? I really don't think loosing Fells, Costner, McCauley will hurt."

This is foolish. Look, I was disappointed in how they played, too. But you act like these guys were seniors averaged 4 points a game. They averaged close to 40 points a game combined. As a team we averaged 73 points a game over the entire year. We are losing 42.5 of that with Ferguson also gone.

Yes, I'm well aware down the stretch those four flat out sucked. But for the vast majority of the year they didn't.

Costner was the only consistent player in our close OOC games and started off the ACC season playing really well until the 2nd UNC game. I'm not really sure how anyone is disappointed with Big Ben. He was never the caliber recruit of Costner/Fells (though he was Top 100 barely) and he averaged 12.5/8 his senior year. If you think Howell is going to step in, shoot 55% from the field and damn near average a double-double you're fucking crazy. Fells is the biggest enigma/disappointment and I'm not going to really argue that. I expect Brown well come close to replacing his output next year if he is allowed to play the 2 consistently.

If you guys expect us to be as good next year then you're just setting yourself up for disappointment. Be fair and realize next year is a rebuilding year (I know we are rebuilding from utter shit) and that we do have some talent coming in, but it is very unreliable freshman talent that needs time to mature. In 2 years if we are still struggling I'll be the most vocal proponent of looking elsewhere...

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"I'm curious to know what are your realistic expectations for next season then?"

4-12 ACC, .500 overall.

[Edited on March 24, 2009 at 12:23 PM. Reason : x]

3/24/2009 12:23:05 PM

the guys on PP are saying that josh will be re-evaluated so there you go...

we are also looking at this guy: http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=8&c=1&nid=4241483

not sure if thats been posted yet

http://njmg.typepad.com/zagsblog/2008/01/gary-flowers-up.html

3/24/2009 12:23:42 PM

we're getting faster and more athletic guys that have a track record of being team first guys with a good bball IQ. those are the guys we want and those are the guys we need.

we might struggle some early due to inexperience, but i think we'll see a much better basketball team that plays much more together. we can surprise a lot of people.

3/24/2009 12:23:46 PM

^^ re-evaluated? Is that why is star rating dropped overnight? I didn't realize a one star meant not evaluated, but he must have been evaluated at some point if he had 2 stars at one point. Either way, I think it is a wasted scholarship that came out the same day the news came out that we were losing Trevor and Brandon. Coincidence?

Also, it says that Flowers was suspended from the team for being arrested. Not sure those are the type of players we want representing the University.

[Edited on March 24, 2009 at 12:31 PM. Reason : []

3/24/2009 12:29:26 PM

Thanks but no thanks on Flowers.

3/24/2009 12:31:01 PM

Nobody said we'd be better w/out Fells, costner, and McCauley....we're saying we won't be worse, and we're hopeful that the new recruiting class can give us an added boost. We'll be playing a different style of basketball this year, I'm excited for it.

3/24/2009 12:31:47 PM

And I think you're being completely unrealistic saying we won't be worse.

You guys probably hate me for using UConn as a parallel but it's what I know so I'm going to.

After 2006 UConn lost 70% of it's offense from the previous year. They had Craig Austrie and Jeff Adrien, both rising sophomores coming back who had experience.

They had an INCREDIBLE class coming in. #7 and #10 PG, #8 and #16 C, #6 and #11 PF, #7 SG. 7 guys in the Top 100 and 5 in the Top 50. They had no leader and played like a bunch of freshman. Those freshman were utterly terrible in a major conference. They had no chemistry and simply didn't know how to win. Freshman play like freshman. It's completely unrealistic to expect them to come in and compete, even after a half year, at the level we are asking them to. Unless you get the rare, top flighter the Durant's, the Carmelo's, the Derrick Rose's you simply can't expect them to replace even disappointing seniors.

That #7 PG was AJ Price, #8 C was Hasheem Thabeet, #6 PF Stanley Robinson and #7 SG Jerome Dyson. Terrible as freshman.

[Edited on March 24, 2009 at 12:33 PM. Reason : I'm not trying to shit on your guys optimism... just trying to be as objective and realistic as can]

3/24/2009 12:33:11 PM

we are in for years of sucking.

3/24/2009 12:33:13 PM

sorry for the poor choice of wording...it appears that he will be properly evaluated not re-evaluated.
hell, that is what i read so thats all i know.

regarding Flowers...why is that? b/c he had some trouble a couple of years ago? he seems to have everything in order now so i welcome the big guy. hes on a winning JUCO team that is ranked #1 and has Seton Hall looking at him.

a guy on PP said it best: Herb let Damon stay on the team after 3 alcohol related incidents .... Herb recruited Anthony Grundy who took a hand gun to school and there are a few others

3/24/2009 12:36:19 PM

Fells had a supposed incident where he had to be restrained from a ref in high school that I remember being talked about too. Shit happens. He's probably not a bad kid. I mean it's not like he was the driver in a drive-by murder and now the starting PG for the #2 seed out west.

3/24/2009 12:37:48 PM