47 consecutive posts without mention of Gottfried

3/19/2013 12:51:10 AM

NYC is near a lot of big time programs recruiting base. Syracuse pretty much dominates new york and all sorts of programs within a few hundred miles have local influence. St Johns is the only school in nyc in a big conference and despite all of that, they are a pretty good job.

UCLA is the only big time program in the entire state of california which has more talent than even new york.

Arizona and Gonzaga are the only other big time programs on the entire west coast.

3/19/2013 12:52:44 AM

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"47 consecutive posts without mention of Gottfried "

Gottfried's Credibility +47 for not being trash talked in 47 consecutive posts on TWW

3/19/2013 7:13:32 AM

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"Syracuse pretty much dominates new york"

This is not really true, even more so for football because of ND.

I would say its equal parts Cuse, Rutgers and UConn. Maybe a tinge more UConn if they are good.

[Edited on March 19, 2013 at 7:57 AM. Reason : And NYC produces good players but not near the stars it did at one point]

3/19/2013 7:56:35 AM

I'm a big fan of this guy Mark we've got here.

That being said...if UCLA is a top 5 job, they aren't going after Gottfried. Until 3-4 misses that is.

So moving on.

+2 for the number of consecutive tournament years.

3/19/2013 8:17:13 AM

ucla is a a shadow of what it once was. yeah they played for the championship twice in the last ten years, but everyone knew they were losing. the question remains, would they draw a top 5 candidate?

i think gottfried would get consideration. i don't think it's a certainty that if offered the job he'd take it, but i wouldn't be surprised if he did. that being said, in two short years, he's wiped his ass with the stigmata that come with being ncsu's bball coach: that you can't expect to compete with k and roy, and that you won't be able to draw top talent because of duke and u*nc.

therefore, if at the end of the season we find ourselves searching for a coach, it's not unrealistic to think we'd get someone at least of the same caliber as gottfried.

side note: if ucla offers gott the job and he turns it down, any doubt as to whether he's at ncsu for the long run is done away with.

[Edited on March 19, 2013 at 9:04 AM. Reason : side note]

3/19/2013 9:01:48 AM

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"stigmata"

[Edited on March 19, 2013 at 9:11 AM. Reason : UCLA is still a HUGE job]

3/19/2013 9:10:33 AM

I can't speak to new york city, but as far as central and western new york go, Syracuse is really the only college that anyone follows if they even care about college sports at all.

3/19/2013 9:12:02 AM

ucla is going to go after shaka when they fire howland. they probably wont get him but I doubt anyone except maybe 2 or 3 schools could, and ucla would be one of them if they werent on the west coast.

this is a dumb argument. i had a long discussion with some friends who thought uconn was a better job than indiana a couple years ago and this is like that, except indiana sucked complete dick and ucla "only" went to a few final fours

3/19/2013 9:21:12 AM

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"he question remains, would they draw a top 5 candidate?"

If you have to even ask this question...then you are an idiot.

3/19/2013 9:30:48 AM

Man, Gottfried would have so many blondes in LA to pick from. I can see him making the move for the ass population

3/19/2013 10:20:35 AM

^^yes because steve lavin and ben howland are unquestionably cream of the crop.

3/19/2013 10:44:19 AM

Steve Lavin made 4 Sweet Sixteens and an Elite Eight in 7 years. Real scrub.

Ben Howland has 3 Final Fours and a title game appearance in 8. Another scrub.

Just shows how good the UCLA job is if you all call these two "scrubs".

3/19/2013 10:47:39 AM

two ways to look at lavin: (1) based on that resume, still gets fired --> job security sucks, so why would a top candidate want that job; (2) if lavin is such a great coach, why did he have to get into broadcasting after getting fired at ucla? also recall 06 when the lavin rumors were surrounding our program and people were talking about what a train wreck the search was if we have to start looking at lavin.

as for howland, if we're talking about him getting fired with that resume, what top 5 candidate is going to want that job? seems like they'd look at that situation the same way good coaches would look at us after herb left (obviously though not a complete apples to apples comparison when comparing recent success).

3/19/2013 10:54:45 AM

if gottfried wants the ucla job...i would consider howland

3/19/2013 10:55:29 AM

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"as for howland, if we're talking about him getting fired with that resume, what top 5 candidate is going to want that job?"

Somebody who wants to coach at one of the best programs in the country and isn't scared. So basically...every major coach.

You know UNC had to settle for Matt Doherty at one time. Sometimes the things just don't align and you don't get your top candidate...shit happens.

I will repeat...if you don't think UCLA is a top 5 job, then you don't know anything about college basketball.

3/19/2013 10:58:21 AM

my point though is were lavin and howland ucla's first choices the last two times they were looking for coaches. howland possibly, but lavin? therefore, if they strike out with some of the biggest names happy with where they are, then they may work their way down the list to gottfried. earlier posts suggested gottfried's name wouldn't come up because they would certainly do better.

[Edited on March 19, 2013 at 11:01 AM. Reason : ]

3/19/2013 11:00:53 AM

Howland definitely was more than likely their first choice.

The Lavin hire was different because Harrick was fired because of a "scandal." They didn't really go through a big search and might have actually hired Gottfried or Romar if they hadn't just gotten head coaching jobs. Lavin was pretty much the only assistant left over.

So UCLA wasn't turned down by a bunch of candidates at that time either.

3/19/2013 11:13:27 AM

Howland was as hot a coach as there was. Before Howland, under Ralph Willard, Pitt made 1 postseason in five years.

He was as hot as Calipari was when UK hired him.

3/19/2013 11:27:30 AM

lots of people have no idea about UCLA basketball ITT

not a top 5 job? ha, that's a good one

[Edited on March 19, 2013 at 11:52 AM. Reason : .]

3/19/2013 11:50:36 AM

UCLA would be an amazing leap from NCSU for Gott.

I really hope he doesn't do that, but I cannot blame him for taking his career to the next level.

It would be a serious case of NC State shit if that happened.

3/19/2013 11:53:52 AM

I wonder who would be more upset if Gottfried went to UCLA, our fans or theirs.

3/19/2013 12:10:00 PM

depends on who'd replace him. again i think just in his short time here he's brought credibility back to the program and shown that we can compete. it'd suck to see him go, but if we got an upgrade it wouldn't suck as badly.

[Edited on March 19, 2013 at 12:13 PM. Reason : ]

3/19/2013 12:12:24 PM

I cant see UCLA hiring Gott if only because the parallel to Lavin is too easy to make. It'd be like us hiring Chris Mooney. He's probably not as bad as Herb, but who would be excited about that?

IIRC Baron Davis said something like "We were the only team to ever make the Final Four with no coach" about Lavin

3/19/2013 12:30:41 PM

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"It'd be like us hiring Chris Mooney John Beilein. "

Crazy how close that was to actually happening.

3/19/2013 12:50:48 PM

If we do end up beating Indiana somehow... it'll be great. But the media will immediately raise cane for Gott as the frontrunner for UCLA job (win-lose)

[Edited on March 19, 2013 at 1:01 PM. Reason : ]

3/19/2013 1:00:07 PM

what in the fuck is going on on this page?

3/19/2013 1:18:36 PM

gott's going to ucla.

3/19/2013 1:23:08 PM

^pfffffft

3/19/2013 1:59:52 PM

If UCLA is a top-5 job, which job is not a top-5 job?

UNC, Duke, Kansas, Kentucky, Indiana

3/19/2013 2:25:06 PM

This was a established a page ago.

3/19/2013 2:27:23 PM

elite quarterbacks

3/19/2013 2:28:03 PM

true, you gave your opinion a page ago, claiming Duke wasn't a top-5 job, even though it is

3/19/2013 2:28:17 PM

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"^pfffffft"

haha that's just what's happening on this page. didn't say it was actually happening.

3/19/2013 2:30:48 PM

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/8021169/ranking-nation-top-10-college-basketball-coaching-jobs

the fact that 4 of the top 10 are now in the same conference make those jobs even worse and kansas kentucky ucla stronger

[Edited on March 19, 2013 at 2:33 PM. Reason : competition]

3/19/2013 2:30:59 PM

i can post links too!

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/735841-college-basketball-top-15-coaching-jobs-in-the-country/page/7

3/19/2013 2:32:44 PM

whose more credible bleacher or espn?

3/19/2013 2:34:11 PM

neither?

maybe we can try AOL/Sporting News' list...they have Texas as the 3rd best job in the country!

3/19/2013 2:35:58 PM

well your article is from 2011 before the new facilities at ucla. so basically with shitty old facilities ucla was still a top 10 job.

3/19/2013 2:44:02 PM

when i think top 5 job, i don't think of a school isolated on the west coast w/ almost negligible fan support. but that's just me.

also, fuck everyone who is seriously talking about gottfried and ucla. i've been saying this for 11 months.

[Edited on March 19, 2013 at 6:24 PM. Reason : .]

3/19/2013 6:17:28 PM

Good job!

3/19/2013 6:37:46 PM

when i think of top job, I think of having the most NCAA titles by a wide margin. They have 11 of them.

but that's just me

they don't hang final four banners in Pauly, just title banners.

i hate them and their shitty fanbase, but if they were competitive once again, people would go nuts in Brentwood.

I'd rather have the UCLA job than IU or Duke.

you could make arguments for UCLA/UNC/UK/KU all to be #1, based on a large number of metrics.

[Edited on March 19, 2013 at 6:44 PM. Reason : .]

3/19/2013 6:42:42 PM

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"when i think of top job, I think of having the most NCAA titles by a wide margin. They have 11 of them. but that's just me they don't hang final four banners in Pauly, just title banners."

how does that make it a top job? it doesn't have the best facilities, it doesn't pay the most, it doesn't have even good fan support, east coast bias is real... but hey one guy won a fuckton of titles there back in the day? can you explain that rationale a little more, i swear to god i have no clue where you're coming from.

3/19/2013 8:01:17 PM

east coast bias isn't real for all the recruits who live in california.

[Edited on March 19, 2013 at 8:26 PM. Reason : UCLA has TOP NOTCH facilities]

3/19/2013 8:10:01 PM

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"also recall 06 when the lavin rumors were surrounding our program"

you mean when lavin kept inserting his name into the search? because that's all that ever was.

3/19/2013 8:18:43 PM

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" how does that make it a top job? it doesn't have the best facilities, it doesn't pay the most, it doesn't have even good fan support, east coast bias is real... but hey one guy won a fuckton of titles there back in the day? can you explain that rationale a little more, i swear to god i have no clue where you're coming from."

You don't have to agree with me dude, I'm just saying that it's common sense that UCLA is a prestigious program with a shit ton of history, and a highly desirable job.

Sure, it hasn't been seriously relevant since the 90s. Like I said earlier, UCLA fans are bitches and only count titles, not Final Fours or conference crowns. The LA Lakers are exactly the same way. When they suck, nobody gives a flying fuck about them in LA proper, but when they're in the playoffs they're "the greatest team ever".

Also, I don't really buy the money argument. Seems to me like if a coach wanted to get paid a lot, he'd bolt for the NBA. It's not like UCLA is offering abysmal pay or anything. The reasons UNC/IU/UK/KU coaches get paid so well is to make sure they won't leave!

Oh and btw, I'm not saying this about UCLA because I think Gottfried will leave. I don't honestly see it happening. I'm just saying it's absurd not to consider UCLA an elite program when it is.

3/19/2013 8:35:32 PM

Gott has over 3000 fb likes. Herb Sendek? Barely over 300. Credible.

3/20/2013 3:06:45 AM

11 National Championships.

John Wooden.

Which dumbass talked about facilities?? They just got a new fucking gym.

Russel Westbrook, Kevin Love, Jrue Holliday, Darren Collison, Trevor Ariza, etc.

Los Angeles

California



/discussion about UCLA being a top job

You guys are fucking idiots

3/20/2013 8:53:19 AM

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"If UCLA is a top-5 job, which job is not a top-5 job? UNC, Duke, Kansas, Kentucky, Indiana "

3/20/2013 1:04:37 PM

I already said Duke/IU.

Once K leaves, Duke is screwed.

3/20/2013 1:39:16 PM