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"I don't even want to go 6-6. I don't want any reason for Doeren to hang around another season. Throw the fucking bank at a coach that can actually win."

BUT, BUT, WHAT ABOUT ALL THOSE EXTRA BOWL PRACTICES DD COULD USE TO MAKE OUR TEAM BETTER. YOU'RE A SHITTY FAN!

10/31/2016 11:59:43 AM

I wasn't trying to throw shade his way - you obviously don't end up on USA Today by accident. Just thought his point of "assistant head coach of offense/defense" was a bit misguided.

10/31/2016 12:05:32 PM

This joker still has a job this morning?

10/31/2016 12:11:28 PM

^^gotcha...not sure about the "associate head coach of defense" stuff, to be honest. i was just trying to provide clarity to who he is. no worries.

10/31/2016 12:16:31 PM

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"I don't even want to go 6-6. I don't want any reason for Doeren to hang around another season"

I'm not going to call anyone a shitty fan or judge how they cheer, but I couldn't cheer for State to lose any game.


Also, devil's advocate, as someone who was dogging Doeren after the Clemson game while everyone else was dogging Bambard, I'm curious why more people aren't focusing on player's mistakes: Harmon penalty to take away a td, Dayes drop that led to INT, secondaries poor covering on long BC td run. Why is a kickers mistake on the kicker but another player's mistake on DD?

10/31/2016 12:43:52 PM

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"I'm curious why more people aren't focusing on player's mistakes:"

Coaches recruited all of them and players don't make $2 Million a year.

Doeren recruited a kicker that went 24-51 in high school and then is surprised when he still sucks in college.

10/31/2016 1:07:05 PM

I think plenty of people thought DD should have run another play or two (if we could have gotten a 1st down) to get closer or possibly break one. He got a lot of blame for Bambards miss, but at the same time, it's a pretty basic play that he should be able to make. Don't know for sure about coverages and who was wrong, and if the scheme just is shit or if the players aren't doing what he's telling them to do.

10/31/2016 1:16:31 PM

^^^ because everything set up nicely for a game winning FG with no time left on the clock for a rebuttal. It was also a relatively low pressure kick in that a miss still sent the game into OT with another chance to win. Bambard just couldn't get out of his own head, which is unfortunate for the kid. He is/was perfectly capable of making that kick. He just didn't.

Look, I'm a huge Doeren hater. It was apparent to me after the first season that he is not a good schemer, nor is he an effective game manager. He's also not smart at calculating high risk high reward scenarios. But losing to BC isn't going to make me retroactively change my opinion on that kick.

10/31/2016 1:16:57 PM

I wouldn't be cheering for us to lose per say. I'm just afraid that if we do go 6-6 Doeren is going to stick around for a couple more years and the program will suffer from it in the long run. It's a shitty situation. I want us to do well and for our seniors to go out with something they can be proud of, but I also want to see the program move beyond bottom of the barrel bowl games and I don't see that in Doeren's future here.

10/31/2016 1:36:05 PM

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"Teams Dave Doeren has beaten so far: OOC ... Notre Dame*"

FTFY

10/31/2016 1:46:39 PM

^ FOH mane

10/31/2016 2:19:12 PM

My belief is if he doesn't beat UNC OR FSU he will be let go.

4-8 and a bad recruiting class is the same type of stuff TOB got fired for.


DD has that same look that Chuck had when he had been informed he was getting fired after the games ended.

10/31/2016 2:33:06 PM

10/31/2016 2:38:07 PM

Why should we reward him for shitty performance with a paid vacation thru 2019? Unless an extremely unique hiring opportunity arises then let's just make him stay and suffer. Alienate him and maybe he will quit. If not, we have the extra cash in 2019 to go after a big(ger) time hire. At that point we begin a major rebuilding of the program.

The biggest gamble here is the impact on our recruiting over the next 2 years. But even if our currently stellar recruiting takes a big hit, I don't think 2 years is enough to do any long-term irreversible damage that a competent coach can't fix.

The big mistake here was the contract extension in 2015. It really tied us to him without any sustained proof of performance.

10/31/2016 3:45:29 PM

Has anybody hired Les Miles yet?

10/31/2016 3:48:23 PM

Charlie Strong

10/31/2016 4:04:45 PM

Why the hell should we hire someone that can't make it work at Texas? You think he'd do better, with fewer resources, in a more difficult conference, at NCSU?

10/31/2016 4:18:48 PM

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"Why the hell should we hire someone that can't make it work at Texas?"

Wow, that's like the worst logic ever

10/31/2016 4:22:26 PM

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"Why should we reward him for shitty performance with a paid vacation thru 2019? Unless an extremely unique hiring opportunity arises then let's just make him stay and suffer. Alienate him and maybe he will quit. If not, we have the extra cash in 2019 to go after a big(ger) time hire. At that point we begin a major rebuilding of the program."

This is retarded on so many levels. Make him stay and suffer by alienating him into quitting? Who would want to coach for us if we did that? Nobody is going to just quit on a $2M+ contract and if they did there are laws against constructive termination.

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"The biggest gamble here is the impact on our recruiting over the next 2 years. But even if our currently stellar recruiting takes a big hit, I don't think 2 years is enough to do any long-term irreversible damage that a competent coach can't fix."

Our recruiting isn't stellar by any stretch of that word and if you're talking about publicly alienating a coach who knows he's being goaded into quitting, why would he recruit anyone for us, and what recruits would want to come to such an openly hostile program?

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"The big mistake here was the contract extension in 2015. It really tied us to him without any sustained proof of performance."

I agree we shouldn't have given him such a long extension.

10/31/2016 4:26:09 PM

I say we keep him and be happy. Someday the butterfly's flap might turn up from the butterfly's flop. Until then, we'll just smile.

10/31/2016 4:42:16 PM

Unless we get Miles or Briles*, lets settle for the dud in hand.












*jk

10/31/2016 4:50:19 PM

"we're a shadrach thornton scooter ride away from being undefeated."

10/31/2016 4:53:54 PM

Charlie Strong is a quality young coach, good character guy, and an able recruiter.

For freakin TEXAS to give him a shot at their head coaching gig... I mean fuck; they take this football shit super serial. They don't fuck around with their football coaching hires and shit.

In all seriousness, even though Texas will be firing him before too long, I think just the fact that they were willing to give him a shot honestly speaks volumes about Strong given his lack of experience.

Also, it would be really cool for this university to hire its first ever minority football coach. Not only would this be a notable and virtuous thing for the AD to do, it would also give us some nice fluffy press coverage to smooth over the interim after yet another unceremonious coach firing.

10/31/2016 5:15:10 PM

gee, i hope we don't succeed then we won't be able to fire our coach!

10/31/2016 5:16:53 PM

^ yea, they are gonna fire him after two years? How good was Saban with Dolphins before crawling back to SEC? How many bad seasons did Bill Belichick have as browns head coach before getting head coaching gig with pats (He had ONE winning season in 8, after a 5 win season, he got FIRED).

Judging a coach based on his results after two years at Texas is dumb, dopey really.

I bet the Browns wish they'd given Bill another shot.

[Edited on October 31, 2016 at 5:49 PM. Reason : .]

10/31/2016 5:46:43 PM

ironic you would say that in this thread

10/31/2016 5:53:50 PM

Its not at all Ironic. DD has had 4 years to show any spark of anything, and as failed to do so.

That's twice as much time as Strong got at Texas, so not sure where the irony is?

10/31/2016 5:59:02 PM

Don't compare NFL and college coaching. They are completely different.

10/31/2016 7:14:58 PM

Alright, well Saban sycked balls his first year with Bama and he's like the best coach ever. strong has had just one more bad year than Saban had.

Guess he's a horrible coach amirite?

[Edited on October 31, 2016 at 8:29 PM. Reason : .]

10/31/2016 8:28:36 PM

This is Strong's third year not second dude. Also YOU PEOPLE hate TOB and yet he beat Charlie Strong and Teddy Bridgewater in the Belk Bowl 2011.

10/31/2016 11:01:27 PM

Alright fine, I'm convinced. We are crossing him off the list . Who else y'all got?

11/1/2016 7:55:22 AM

Doeren is here with Yow until 2019 so may as well get used to it. Once we bring in a new AD they will go out and find a new coach as well unless by that time we aren't terrible.

11/1/2016 9:26:10 AM

Doeren 4 AD

11/1/2016 9:40:43 AM

^^yeah i think that is probably the case. only scenarios that might get him fired are if the Wolken/USAToday stuff about the "toxic" locker room becomes just out of control, an abysmal season next year like 3-9 or something (in combination with no bowl this year too), or then of course an off the field scandal.

11/1/2016 9:45:33 AM

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"Doeren is here with Yow until 2019 "

What's the bet?

11/1/2016 9:50:55 AM

Hey crazy things happen but if we buy him out we are screwed anyways unless someone with a ton of money really wants him gone. We aren't in a position to afford to buy someone like that out and get any sort of reasonable replacement. Sure maybe we get really lucky on a cheap hire but guess what that guy would be gone in 2 years to a bigger job anyways. At some point you just live with a bad decision until it makes financial sense to move on. Sure a year or two earlier you can afford the buyout but what coach wants to come in knowing the AD is gonna be changing a year or two into their time?

11/1/2016 10:25:50 AM

All valid points, I just figured the odds would be in my favor

11/1/2016 11:11:09 AM

I would agree because its clear we dont always do the smartest thing either haha

11/1/2016 12:07:14 PM

hey guys, remember when doeren complained about the fans after his first game ever?

he's been complaining ever since. i bet he is a cool guy to hang out with IRL.

11/1/2016 12:36:31 PM

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"We aren't in a position to afford to buy someone like that out and get any sort of reasonable replacement."

I would argue we can't afford to KEEP him. Do you know how empty the stands will be next year if he comes back?

11/1/2016 12:43:44 PM

If we're going to "live with this bad investment," then we should have just kept TOB, gotten similar (probably better) results and would be in a prime position both financially and program wise to make a bigger move after Yow retires. Honestly, the results speak for themselves at this point.

Does Doeren add to this list of ACC teams he's beaten in four years?


ACC:

Syracuse (2x)
Wake Forest (3x)
Boston College
North Carolina



Probably not. His best chance will be against Miami, who is better than their record indicates.

My money is on that list staying the exact same with maybe another win against Syracuse, depending on whether or not Doeren has lost the locker room. I'd love to hope for another win against UNC, but they practically have a BYE week before playing us and a potential trip to the ACC championship game on the line, so it's unlikely.

11/1/2016 1:07:12 PM

We will lose every other game except for UNC. We will beat the Tarholes and we will then be accused of making it our "Super Bowl"

11/1/2016 1:34:07 PM

It would be our Super Bowl at that point so...

11/1/2016 1:42:53 PM

I'm fine with that scenario as long as Doeren still gets the boot and we get one of the iles' to replace him

11/1/2016 4:59:09 PM

its not looking good at this point but we still havent seen what he can do with a full strength team. dont call me a fan for that or even optimistic. ive always been "wait and see". i laid out 5 points on another page that no one could really address. theres just a lot of emotion coming off our worst loss yet

11/1/2016 7:30:08 PM

Shut up you stupid fuck.

11/1/2016 9:02:42 PM

i also forgot to remind them of tge loss of shad and dayes last year

11/1/2016 9:33:34 PM

You laid out 5 excuses of which 2 were injuries and 2 more were blaming the fans. And the last was making the old shit argument that we could be X-X record if we just got luckier. Every team deals with injuries and every team loses close games.

Our problem is DD is terrible at in game decisions and making adjustments. His awful decisions cost us the ECU game and probably the Clemson game. And he just lost to one of the worst teams in ACC history. I don't understand your fascination with this guy. He'll never be able to recruit worth a damn because his personality is bland and boring, he isn't a good in game coach, and he doesnt know how to use his best players. We need to cut bait and start over. If you think fan support sucks now, wait until next year when we are losing to Wake too.

11/1/2016 9:36:56 PM

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"justinh524: Does TGD still own http://www.firedavedoeren.com? I feel like he could use it as a campaign website."

I do, and firedoeren.com too -- anyone want to put together a website, and I'll change my DNS servers over to what y'all have?

11/1/2016 9:53:53 PM

You won't be getting the E man's vote now I'm afraid...

11/1/2016 10:03:31 PM