yes it will

it'll turn into a game-day thread

11/2/2008 10:03:02 PM

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"Don't the right-wing gun nuts yearn for a civilian paramilitary force anyway? It's like their 2nd amendment dream come true."

See, you have no clue what they want, they want exactly the opposite of this.

So Obama wants this "civilian defense force" to be as equally as powerful as the military? What? It just doesn't make sense. I mean, most of you would agree that the police are already to powerful right? That the police, homeland security, etc already overstep their bounds and exercise to much power? Let you are in here defending Obama wanting to vastly increase the power of those groups. What? Give them power equal to the military? What does that even mean?

11/2/2008 10:08:12 PM

it means all that hitler-speak is going to come to pass!

11/2/2008 10:10:05 PM

^^ What exactly is the "opposite" of a civilian paramilitary force? A military paramilitary force? a civilian military force?

11/2/2008 10:15:15 PM

of all the things to latch on to,


this is probably the most retarded of them all.

gg Ytsejam

[Edited on November 2, 2008 at 10:22 PM. Reason : .]

11/2/2008 10:22:16 PM

^ true, the most important thing to latch on to is the cost of President Obama's proposed community organizing bullshit

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""We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.""

can't wait to see him do all this shit while still cutting taxes for the "middle class," whatever household income they're defining that as nowadays

11/2/2008 10:31:02 PM

perhaps if we're not spending 10 billion a month in iraq it'll be put to use elsewhere?

11/2/2008 10:32:17 PM

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"What exactly is the "opposite" of a civilian paramilitary force? A military paramilitary force? a civilian military force?"

No paramilitary force at all? Most "gun-nuts" don't want a government run force of any kind with this sort of power.

11/2/2008 10:35:15 PM

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"So – if Obama means what he says – his civilian national security corps would cost at least another $100 billion a year, and perhaps as much as $500 billion a year. With total federal income taxes of $935 billion in 2005, Obama's proposal would mean using up to half of all federal income tax revenues just to fund his promise “to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded” as the military."

http://volokh.com/posts/1216451854.shtml

The key is this analysis is "if Obama means what he says." I think we'll find out soon enough how little his word on the campaign trail has meant. I'm sure this was just an attempt to give all community organizers in the country a raging hard-on

11/2/2008 10:40:59 PM

^ I don't see congress approving something like that anyway, not without curtailing it significantly.

11/2/2008 10:44:51 PM

Hey Yweogubwejam, step back and think about what you're saying here.

Do you think it's more reasonable to think he is talking about improving and adequately funding airport, seaport, and border security? Or that he wants to create some kind of giant paramilitary force? Which is the wild leap here?

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"I mean, most of you would agree that the police are already to powerful right? "

No, most of us are not paranoid lunatics (most).

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"That the police, homeland security, etc already overstep their bounds and exercise to much power? "

No, see above.

Seaport, airport, and border security are deplorably inept due to the lack of attention by the Bush administration. They could stand more funding and sensible solutions. And this does not mean overreaching power.

For fucks sake, it like half the McCain supporters here have literally gone insane... How will you guys ever reconcile Obama being president?

11/2/2008 11:07:58 PM

How does "just as well-funded" mean the same as "receiving the same amount of funding as?"

It means he wants national security to be well-funded like the military is well-funded. Can you grasp that? I feel like I'm talking to a bunch of kooks in a mental hospital.

11/2/2008 11:16:34 PM

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" Senator Barrack Obama’s relatives have congregated at Nyangoma Kogelo village and will remain together until after Tuesday’s US presidential elections. They have set aside a bull to slaughter in celebration should the Illinois senator whose father was Kenyan win, according to family spokesperson Mr Malik Abongo."

11/2/2008 11:21:22 PM

that will surely affect the PETA vote

[Edited on November 2, 2008 at 11:29 PM. Reason : a]

11/2/2008 11:28:46 PM

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"Here comes the Wright ads in PA."

they're playing them here in NC now, too. just saw one

11/2/2008 11:31:34 PM

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"No, see above. Seaport, airport, and border security are deplorably inept due to the lack of attention by the Bush administration. They could stand more funding and sensible solutions. And this does not mean overreaching power. For fucks sake, it like half the McCain supporters here have literally gone insane... How will you guys ever reconcile Obama being president?"

What are you talking about? When did I ever say Obama wanted to create a paramilitary force? Who said I was a McCain supporter? Under the Bush administration funding for airport, seaport, and the border patrol has increase by huge amounts (for obvious reasons). The point is, Obama was incredibly vague, as he always is. You pretty much have to read into what he is saying, because he doesn't say anything very firmly.

Whatever though, I would prefer not having some sort of "civilian national security force" that is just as strong and powerful as the military.

Get off the Obama cock and start actually thinking. I know it's hard, but try. Some people here dislike both candidate and both parties, as should any rational person.

11/2/2008 11:32:03 PM

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"What are you talking about? When did I ever say Obama wanted to create a paramilitary force? "

"So Obama wants this "civilian defense force" to be as equally as powerful as the military? What?"

It sounds like you are supposing that to be true.

Oh, and this in response me saying it was about seaport, airport, border security:

"Yea, except that doesn't sound anything like what he said. If you deduce he meant police then you are making a wild leap from the words he spoke to what you want to hear."

So that sounds like you're disagreeing with me there and taking this other position.

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"Under the Bush administration funding for airport, seaport, and the border patrol has increase by huge amounts (for obvious reasons). "

Thats great, but despite that they are still inadequately funded and operated.

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"The point is, Obama was incredibly vague, "

Oh, that was your point? Because there was no mention of that. It sounded like you assumed he had this crazy idea... And yes, he was vague, but I guess he just has confidence that his audience isn't blithering paranoid psychos. Plus, I'm sure if the comment had some context, it would seem clearer.

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"Whatever though, I would prefer not having some sort of "civilian national security force" that is just as strong and powerful as the military."

That aversion is not based on anything he said, so I don't even know why you would mention it.

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"start actually thinking."

Oh, I do think. But see, I try to think rationally. You use "rational" as a hollow adjective.



[Edited on November 3, 2008 at 12:08 AM. Reason : .]

11/2/2008 11:50:43 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df2p6867_pw

Watch the whole talk

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/07/02/obamas-remarks-on-service/
read the transcript (as volokh points out, "The two controversial sentences (shown below in bold) were not in the transcript of Obama’s prepared remarks. Because the lines seem as if they were crafted ahead of time, I wonder whether the language was cut from an earlier draft, but Obama decided to deliver the sentences anyway.")

from his website
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/service/

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"He will establish a Classroom Corps to help teachers and students, with a priority placed on underserved schools; a Health Corps to improve public health outreach; a Clean Energy Corps to conduct weatherization and renewable energy projects; a Veterans Corps to assist veterans at hospitals, nursing homes and homeless shelters; and a Homeland Security Corps to help communities plan, prepare for and respond to emergencies. "

Anyway, check out the whole thing and stop being crazy
keep in mind, this was july 2, so the full reach of the economic problems weren't clear yet.

[Edited on November 3, 2008 at 12:17 AM. Reason : .]

11/3/2008 12:10:45 AM

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"(as volokh points out, "The two controversial sentences (shown below in bold) were not in the transcript of Obama’s prepared remarks. Because the lines seem as if they were crafted ahead of time, I wonder whether the language was cut from an earlier draft, but Obama decided to deliver the sentences anyway.")"

Who is "volokh" and where are his remarks?

11/3/2008 12:30:24 AM

sorry, aimorris posted it a few up

http://volokh.com/posts/1216451854.shtml

he basically says that there's no way we could pay for his own interpretation of what obama is talking about, but that the paranoia is silly.

[Edited on November 3, 2008 at 12:32 AM. Reason : .]

11/3/2008 12:31:29 AM

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/

Poll for: Monday, November 3, 2008

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"North Carolina: Obama +1 Obama 50 (49) McCain 49 (48)"

Lets finish this with NC as a swing state where our votes will continue to matter in future elections instead of being written off as unwaveringly and permanently red no matter what the conditions.

11/3/2008 6:33:16 AM

[Edited on November 3, 2008 at 6:33 AM. Reason : .]

11/3/2008 6:33:16 AM

HE'S GONNA BANKRUPT COAL

11/3/2008 8:13:55 AM

A majority of Americans must truly hate the USA since they are electing a terrorist loving commie.

Warren Buffet says he hates capitalism also..

[Edited on November 3, 2008 at 8:45 AM. Reason : a]

11/3/2008 8:44:41 AM

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"How does "just as well-funded" mean the same as "receiving the same amount of funding as?""

?

how doesn't it?

11/3/2008 9:01:18 AM

The thing hard-headed hardcore right-wing conservatives don't understand is Palin has NO moderate or cross-aisle appeal unlike McCain. Instead of conceding to a more across teh board appealing VP; the right-fringe wanted to go "all in" with their modern day Oracle of GOP ultra-conservative ideals

11/3/2008 9:08:18 AM

hooray for skyrocketing energy prices!

11/3/2008 9:23:53 AM

Quinnipiac Polls Released - Monday, Nov 3
-------------------------------
Florida 1,773 LV, 2.3%
Obama 47, McCain 45

Ohio 1,574 LV, 2.5%
Obama 50, McCain 43

Pennsylvania 1,493 LV, 2.5%
Obama 52, McCain 42


University of Cincinnati Released - Monday, Nov 3
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Ohio
Obama 52, McCain 46


Public Policy Polling (D)
---------------------
10/31 - 11/2/08; 2734 LV, 1.9%

Montana
Obama 48, McCain 47

Florida
Obama 50, McCain 48
(10/16-19: Obama 48, McCain 47)

[Edited on November 3, 2008 at 9:40 AM. Reason : WTf? Montana?]

11/3/2008 9:39:51 AM

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"The thing hard-headed hardcore right-wing conservatives don't understand is Palin has NO moderate or cross-aisle appeal unlike McCain. "

Old white men. Young white female.

There's cross-aisle appeal, it just has nothing to do with her politically.

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"? how doesn't it?"

Because well-funded is relative term. Think of it this way -- if the US army is "well-funded" and the NC state school system is "well-funded" it doesn't mean that both have the same amount of funding, just that they both receive an amount of funding that is adequate.

[Edited on November 3, 2008 at 9:53 AM. Reason : .]

11/3/2008 9:49:04 AM

11/3/2008 10:01:15 AM

Does anyone know anyone thats going to vote for obama tomorrow? Of the people I know, all the Obama voters voted early.

11/3/2008 10:38:44 AM

I am going to because I've realized that if I help him, he's gonna help me.

I won't have to worry about putting gas in my car and I won't have to worry about paying my mortgage either.

Obama/Biden 08

11/3/2008 10:45:54 AM

GOBAMA!

OBAMANOS!

OBAMAMASHAMALAMADINGDONG!

OBAMA/BIDEN 08'!!!

11/3/2008 11:03:40 AM

^^^ my wife is, because she missed all her chances to vote early.
She went to the Cary Town Mall 3 times, and each time the line snaked all the way through the mall. I kept telling her it will just be worse on Tuesday, but she is a teacher and they have a teacher's workday tomorrow, so i guess she can stand in line then

11/3/2008 11:14:12 AM

So, these Obama campaigners came knocking on my door yesterday. They wanted to know if I voted:

Obama
McCain
Undecided

So I told them THIRD PARTY... but nowhere on their list was a checkbox for third party. So, one of the ladies marked me down as "Undecided". I chuckled.

11/3/2008 11:16:10 AM

AND ZEUS DID SMILE

11/3/2008 11:21:06 AM

^^ yeah, i gotta say, that's a pretty stupid poll.

11/3/2008 12:51:21 PM

I canvassed yesterday and noticed the same thing - but it's not meant to be any sort of scientific poll. We were also able to mark that people were voting for one or the other based on what other people in the house told us.

11/3/2008 2:53:42 PM

Man, they must have been out in force yesterday since they rang my doorbell too. But since I was trying to put my baby to sleep, I kindly told them to piss off.

11/3/2008 3:03:47 PM

i haven't gotten a single knock or phone call the entire election
nobody cares what I say

11/3/2008 4:13:26 PM

i think my dogs scare them away

11/3/2008 4:26:26 PM

The Obama campaign called me today and said they were offering free transportation if I was unable to get myself to the polls....

I should get them to drive me, save gas $money, than vote McCain just for the Irony factor.

11/3/2008 4:26:41 PM

Sad news, Obama's grandmother passed away today. One more day and she could have seen the grandson she helped raise get elected president of the united states

11/3/2008 4:43:39 PM

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"Sen. Barack Obama’s grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, has died after a battle with cancer, his campaign office says"

It is really a ploy by the libbies to gain sympathy for his campaign to steal the election from McCain. Not only did he go back to HI to get a better forged copy of his birth certificate; but also to hire an assasain to kill his grandma. Making it look like "natural causes" to confirm Obama's story.

AM I RIGHT GUYS!
hooksaw and aaronburro are with me against the Liberal Conspiracy

11/3/2008 4:46:15 PM

what

damn

11/3/2008 4:46:35 PM

yeah, that's terrible.

one day away from experiencing what could be one of the most historic elections of our time.

11/3/2008 4:48:45 PM

I feel really bad for him. Trip to Hawaii for a funeral is not going to be easy to do in the next few days.

11/3/2008 4:53:19 PM

I hope she got her absentee vote in...

That's going to make for a weird acceptance speech too though.

First Biden's mother in law, now Obama's grandmother, that is either a good sign or a bad sign.

11/3/2008 4:53:57 PM

has there ever been a President who had a living grandparent?
Most have surely been to old to have GP's. Did Kennedy have a grandparent when he was elected?

11/3/2008 4:53:59 PM

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"I feel really bad for him. Trip to Hawaii for a funeral is not going to be easy to do in the next few days. "

NO that trip was to get a more authentic forge of his birth certificate. That is what Sarah Palin told me so it must be true.

11/3/2008 4:55:08 PM