Police State

5/13/2005 7:17:50 PM

"Real ID Act Passed - The End Of America"
http://www.jpfo.org/alert20050511.htm

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"Alert From Jews For The Preservation Of Firearms Ownership America's Aggressive Civil Rights Organization JPFO.org 5-12-5 On Tuesday, May 10, 2005, America became a true police state. Your U.S. senators voted -- unanimously, with no discussion, and without even reading the bill -- to create a national ID card. The Real ID Act blackmails state governments into turning their drivers licenses into a draconian tool of the federal homeland security apparatus. If states refuse, their citizens lose such "privileges" as being allowed to board an airplane, enter a federal building, or apply for social security. President Bush is expected to sign the bill eagerly on Thursday. In three years -- by May 2008 -- this Stalin-style internal passport will be an American reality. But your government will have _more_ control over you than Stalin ever dreamed in his most violent, vicious, anti-freedom dreams. But that's only the beginning. The creator of the Real ID Act, Rep. James Sensenbrenner, smiles and tells us that his Real ID Act is all about "solving illegal immigration" or "preventing terrorists from entering the country." This is one of the biggest of the thousands of "Big Lies" we've heard from the tyrants in Washington. The Real ID Act is about tracking and controlling Americans. You. Me. Our children. Everybody. In May 2008, barring a miracle, America as we once knew it will be in ruins. It will be gone. And the rights of gun owners will be among the first scheduled for destruction."

[Edited on May 13, 2005 at 8:04 PM. Reason : 1]

5/13/2005 8:03:51 PM

^

so who neeeds a real ID card?

how does that effect me?

also; i hope this thread didnt miss the pregnany chick that got tasered

5/13/2005 8:27:19 PM

Wow salisburyboy. This surprises even me.

You cited the "Jews For The Preservation of Firearms Ownership" homepage in reference to the coming police state. How do you reconcile all of the conspiracy theories boucing around in your head?

5/13/2005 8:51:38 PM

http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_2731359

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"Show me your papers By Ed Quillen When I attended Chappelow Elementary School in Evans, Colo., 45 years ago, we often recited the Pledge of Allegiance at the start of the school day. We were also taught that America was a great country for many reasons, among them our freedom to travel. In other countries, like the Soviet Union of the time, and the Nazi Germany that had been defeated only a dozen years earlier, residents had to carry government identification and internal passports. These papers had to be presented to board a train or bus. The evil totalitarian government kept track of their movements, and punished people who traveled without permission. We haven't quite reached that point, but we're getting closer. "

[Edited on May 16, 2005 at 11:30 PM. Reason : 1]

5/16/2005 11:28:34 PM

OH MY GOD!

ID CARDS

WE ARE FUCKED

5/16/2005 11:40:07 PM

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"government identification and internal passports"

um driver's licenses?

5/17/2005 9:42:22 AM

So in conclusion:

setting standards for state driver's licenses = tyranny

5/17/2005 10:02:12 AM

http://www.sunherald.com/mld/thesunherald/news/editorial/11721829.htm

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"FBI's powers may become fearsome South Mississippi Sun Herald May 24, 2005 By Dan K. Thomasson Some really scary things are happening around Washington these days. Congress has become a place of great incivility and rancor, which threaten to undermine any hope of legislative remedy to a myriad of problems, from Social Security to soaring health-care costs to immigration to a steadily crumbling manufacturing base once the envy of the world. But perhaps the most frightening prospect for Americans is an unfettered national police force with the sole discretion to determine who can be investigated as a potential terrorist. That's the impact of little-known proposals to greatly expand the powers of the FBI, permitting its agents to seize business records without a warrant and to track the mail of those in terrorist inquiries without regard to Postal Service concerns. Because the government can label almost any group or individual a terrorist threat, the potential for abuse by not having to show probable cause is enormous, prompting civil libertarians to correctly speculate about who will guard against the guardians. Up until now the answer was the Constitution as interpreted by the judiciary. But it is clear that sidestepping any such restriction is the real and present danger of the post-9/11 era."

[Edited on May 24, 2005 at 1:28 PM. Reason : 1]

5/24/2005 1:25:17 PM

5/24/2005 1:40:06 PM

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"The Biggest Story of Our Lives At 5:00 p.m. Eastern time on Election Day, I checked the sportsbook odds in Las Vegas and via the offshore bookmakers to see the odds as of that moment on the Presidential election. John Kerry was a two-to-one favorite. You can look it up. People who have lived in the sports world as I have, bettors in particular, have a feel for what I am about to say about this: these people are extremely scientific in their assessments. These people understand which information to trust and which indicators to consult in determining where to place a dividing line to influence bets, and they are not in the business of being completely wrong. Oddsmakers consulted exit polling and knew what it meant and acknowledged in their oddsmaking at that moment that John Kerry was winning the election. And he most certainly was, at least if the votes had been fairly and legally counted. What happened instead was the biggest crime in the history of the nation, and the collective media silence which has followed is the greatest fourth-estate failure ever on our soil. Many of the participants in this blog have graduate school educations. It is damned near impossible to go to graduate school in any but the most artistic disciplines without having to learn about the basics of social research and its uncanny accuracy and validity. We know that professionally conceived samples simply do not yield results which vary six, eight, ten points from eventual data returns, thaty's why there are identifiable margins for error. We know that margins for error are valid, and that results have fallen within the error range for every Presidential election for the past fifty years prior to last fall. NEVER have exit polls varied by beyond-error margins in a single state, not since 1948 when this kind of polling began. In this past election it happened in ten states, all of them swing states, all of them in Bush's favor. Coincidence? Of course not. Karl Rove isn't capable of conceiving and executing such a grandiose crime? Wake up. They did it. The silence of traditional media on this subject is enough to establish their newfound bankruptcy. The revolution will have to start here. I challenge every other thinker at the Huffington Post: is there any greater imperative than to reverse this crime and reestablish democracy in America? Why the mass silence? Let's go to work with the circumstantial evidence, begin to narrow from the outside in, and find some witnesses who will turn. That's how they cracked Watergate. This is bigger, and I never dreamed I would say that in my baby boomer lifetime."

---Jim Lampley
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/archive/2005/05/biggest-story-of-our-live.html

5/26/2005 6:52:10 PM

pryderi, you make me wet in my naughty zone

5/26/2005 6:57:17 PM

What surprised me was Jim Lampley wrote it. You do know who Jim Lampley is, right?

5/26/2005 6:58:14 PM

pryderi, you make me wet in my naughty zone

5/26/2005 6:58:44 PM

You got diarrhea, a vagina or both?

5/26/2005 7:01:59 PM

i like how on the news we keep hearing of some little bitch sitting in her car getting tasered

now the videos are all over the news. usualy some histeric woman just wont shut up.

i guess you have to do what youre told or else you get 50kV

5/31/2005 10:58:54 PM

There have been MANY reports of people getting tasered recently, including old ladies, children, and pregnant women. Tasers are NOT "non-lethal." Many people have died after being tasered by cops. This recent rise in use of tasers is just one more sign of the ratcheting up of the police state here in the United States.

Here is video of a 22 year old woman being tasered by police at a (4th Amendment violating) traffic stop in Florida.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/content/news/video/taser_video3a.html

[Edited on June 9, 2005 at 1:14 PM. Reason : 1]

6/9/2005 1:09:18 PM

She was operating a vehicle that wasn't street legal. There is no fourth amendent violation here, little buddy. Of course, this would bother you since the actions of individual police officers are indicative of the national trend towards a police state, right?

Regardless, this video has already been covered pretty well. In fact, I think that a majority of TWWers support the cop in this scenario.
http://www.brentroad.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=322786

6/9/2005 2:08:56 PM

besides, salisburybot, it was just a stupid nigger anyway. what does she matter? she shouldn't have been out of her chains or jailcell anyway, and she shoulda said "yessa masta! right away masta!"

6/9/2005 2:11:03 PM

Microchips in World Cup balls?
FIFA considering using chip to confirm goal-line calls
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/soccer/06/13/fifa.chip.ap/index.html?cnn=yes

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"FRANKFURT, Germany (AP) -- FIFA will consider using an electronic microchip inside soccer balls at the 2006 World Cup finals if the technology proves successful. The microchip, intended to confirm whether or not a ball has crossed the goal line, will be tested at the under-17 world championship in Peru in September and October. FIFA (the Federation Internationale de Football Association) is the official governing body of international soccer."

Thats right, Big Brother is now tracking our balls. Of course they say that its to "confirm whether or not a ball has crossed the goal line", but we all know the real truth. The homosexual satanic zionists are behind this. Soon after, they will put tracking chips in our children and the elderly. They will be probably be diguised as "flu shots".

6/14/2005 1:42:24 PM

Say goodbye to private property rights. You now have no property rights in the new AmeriKa.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/23/scotus.property.ap/index.html

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"High court OKs personal property seizures Majority: Local officials know how best to help cities Thursday, June 23, 2005 WASHINGTON (AP) -- -- The Supreme Court on Thursday ruled that local governments may seize people's homes and businesses -- even against their will -- for private economic development. It was a decision fraught with huge implications for a country with many areas, particularly the rapidly growing urban and suburban areas, facing countervailing pressures of development and property ownership rights."

6/23/2005 6:46:03 PM

no if theyd just get rid of private property all together

6/23/2005 6:57:22 PM

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"You now have no property rights in the new AmeriKa."

So why are you spelling America with a K? Is that supposed to denote evil or something? As much time as you spend studying up on conspiracy theories, I'm really surprised that you haven't been able to come up with better evil pseudonyms for such things.

BTW, good job capitalizing the K like a total attention whore.

6/23/2005 7:01:33 PM

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2005/240605courtrules.htm

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"Supreme Court Rules That No One Owns Their Home Alex Jones | June 24 2005 Private property rights are the foundation of freedom. Now developers can pay off your local politicians and then come in and steal your property without even giving you best use price. Imagine middle class neighborhoods across America being bulldozed because developers have written up a proposal for making more money off of your property. Either it's your property or it isn't. The United States is simply going back to feudalism. In medieval England, before the Magna Carta, in 1214 the local lord would decide what you could and could not do with the King's property. This ruling overturns 800 years of common law and common sense. It butchers the Bill of Rights. To put it frankly, it's gone. So many Americans are asking why the Justices would make such a decision, overtly, 180 degrees away from freedom. That's the point. It's in your face. The big police state dog is off the porch, and they think there is nothing you can do about it. The all-powerful Imperial State has thrown down the gauntlet. They have slapped the American people upside the head and brutally raped us, and we have put up with it. So, now they're placing what's left of American freedom on a spit so they can roast and eat us."

6/25/2005 5:14:05 PM

still posting editorials as fact are we? nice.

6/25/2005 5:17:38 PM

I post articles for what they are. Never have I said that "editorials are fact."

Still trying to misrepresent my position and shoot down a straw man like has been done so many times before?

6/25/2005 5:31:18 PM

No one is trying to misrepresent your position, numbnuts. Please learn to take criticism without bitching like the little girl who missed dessert.

6/25/2005 5:48:07 PM

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"I post articles for what they are. Never have I said that "editorials are fact." Still trying to misrepresent my position and shoot down a straw man like has been done so many times before? "

ill break this down for you.

the typical salisburyboy post is very easy to predict. a highlighted bumper-sticker politic misrepresentative slogan that usually only applies to a few sentences of the actual article, or the highlighted title of an editorial by your boy alex jones. the ironic twist to your M.O. is the fact that you blatently try to influence people to your opinion by at best representing half-truths as fact...something you bash the "zionist jew loving" american government for doing.

6/25/2005 11:45:17 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4636117.stm

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"Thursday, 30 June, 2005 Bush sets up domestic spy service US President George W Bush has ordered the creation of a domestic intelligence service within the FBI, as part of a package of 70 new security measures."

7/1/2005 12:11:24 AM

Yeah, it's part of an intelligence reform so that things like 9/11 will have a smaller chance of happening.

But go ahead and piss yourself over it.

7/1/2005 9:47:26 AM

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2005/210705checkbags.htm

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"Police to Check Bags on NYC Subways Associated Press | July 21 2005 Police will begin conducting random searches of packages and backpacks carried by people entering city subways, Mayor Michael Bloomberg announced Thursday after a new series of bomb attacks in London. "

Now 4th Amendment violating random searches on the subways. They told us the "terrorists attacked us because they hated our freedoms." Guess they weren't lying about that. It's not Osama bin Laden or muslims who are taking away our freedoms. It's the government. So...ask yourselves, "who are the real terrorists?" Who REALLY hates our freedoms?

[Edited on July 22, 2005 at 10:04 AM. Reason : one]

7/22/2005 10:03:52 AM

^OMG, we wouldn't want to be safe now would we

7/22/2005 10:25:40 AM

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"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

the searches are quite reasonable given the shit that has happened. but now u'll say it was all planned by the NWO, elite Jews so that police could go through anyone's belongings. and btw dick, its RANDOM, NOT EVERYONE!

7/22/2005 10:32:18 AM

^^^ And for the exact same reason that they search our bags when we get on airplanes.

Do you think that people should be able to board aircraft without being searched?

7/22/2005 10:34:19 AM

http://www.infowars.com/articles/2nd_amendment/60_minutes_demonizes_50_caliber_guns.htm

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"60 minutes demonizes .50 caliber guns CBS News | July 17, 2005 Fifteen years ago, Osama bin Laden sent one of his operatives to the United States to buy and bring back two-dozen .50-caliber rifles, a gun that can kill someone from over a mile away and even bring down an airplane. In spite of all the recent efforts to curb terrorism, bin Laden could do the same thing today, because buying and shipping the world’s most powerful sniper rifle is not as difficult as you might think."

And CBS' "60 Minutes" program has run its hit piece against the 50 Caliber at least 3 times. The gun ban agenda is blatantly transparent here. It's pretty desperate and pathetic. The globalists don't want American citizens to have this rifle.

7/22/2005 10:51:58 AM

there is a reason why this rifle is not to be a citizen's hands jack..its too powerful and too dangerous to someone with no specific weapons training for it. there are reasons y there is an assault rifle ban in the US.

but use this totally unrelated story to prove a point that is totally ridiculous just like ur inane, unfounded theories.

7/22/2005 10:58:57 AM

I think a lot of people have reservations about an easily purchased gun with no practical use, but that can be used to bring down an airliner. Of course you'll say that this is part of the NWO/Jew/Zionist/Homosexual conspiracy.

But now you're getting ahead of yourself. Why don't you first prove that the secret globalist organization really exists and runs world governments?

7/22/2005 10:59:59 AM

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"brianj320: "there are reasons y there is an assault rifle ban in the US"

You mean the "assault weapons ban" that just recently EXPIRED and is NO LONGER LAW?

7/22/2005 11:05:15 AM

OMG!!! SALISBURYBOY RESPONDED!!!

Unfortunately, he can only respond to point out the mistakes of others and never to defend his own ridiculous ideas.

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"You mean the "assault weapons ban" that just recently EXPIRED and is NO LONGER LAW?"

So why did these "globalists" let that happen? That is completely contrary to their supposed goal.

[Edited on July 22, 2005 at 11:14 AM. Reason : .]

7/22/2005 11:13:02 AM

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"OMG, we wouldn't want to be safe now would we"

Do you really think a terrorist with a bomb in his bag would agree to being searched?
What stops him from detonating a bomb when a cop comes up to open his bag?

I saw two cops searching a 6" lime green handbag of a 40-55yo woman just now on the news.... How does that possibly deter terrorist and make us safer?

7/22/2005 6:30:55 PM

It has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with "protecting us from terrorism." THE GOVERNMENT IS BEHIND THE TERRORISM. This has everything to do with conditioning the American people to accept a police state where our constitutional rights are scrapped.

7/22/2005 6:45:54 PM

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"THE GOVERNMENT IS BEHIND THE TERRORISM."

Funny that you can't provide a single shred of hard evidence regarding this vast secret conspiracy.

How can you so whole-heartedly believe something that you can't even prove?

7/22/2005 8:18:54 PM

http://prisonplanet.com/Pages/Jul05/250705Commentary.html

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"Former Marine Colonel's Wife Talks Again About Military Assassin Squads, Drug Running, Illegal Weapon Deals And Sexual Perversion Deep Within The Highest Levels Of U.S. Military And Government Greg Szymanski | July 25 2005 For 11 long years, Kay Griggs heard all the messy details from her military husband, usually while he was drinking before going into one of his drunken stupors. First going public in 1998 in an eight hour video interview with a truth-seeking Michigan pastor and FM radio broadcaster, she now is back after 9/11 to warn Americans to beware of the evil lurking within the highest levels of government, bound and determined to destroy America."

7/26/2005 12:00:55 PM

Well that proves it. Its a woman making wild claims about her ex-husband. This is the first time that this has ever happened.

So if I repeated what someone told me a drunk marine said to them once, you would believe every word of it? No, you wouldn't. You just repeat this because it agrees with your little conspiracy theory, and thus has validity. What blows all of us away is how you can regard this as gospel while completely ignoring the legitimate evidence that others have shown you.

7/26/2005 12:21:20 PM

THIS IS A VERY SHITTY THREAD

7/28/2005 12:18:09 AM

The Franks quote is a good example of taking something out of context.

Before I read the article, the quote seemed to imply that Franks was in favor of ditching the constitution if say terrorists hit the US with a nuke. However the quote below show he is saying this could happen through a two step process over a period of time.

“It means the potential of a weapon of mass destruction and a terrorist, massive, casualty-producing event somewhere in the Western world – it may be in the United States of America – that causes our population to question our own Constitution and to begin to militarize our country in order to avoid a repeat of another mass, casualty-producing event. Which in fact, then begins to unravel the fabric of our Constitution. Two steps, very, very important.”

7/28/2005 10:13:45 PM

What the hell are you talking about? Nothing in this thread has been taken out of context.

7/28/2005 10:42:16 PM

http://www.impeach-bush-now.org/Articles/Americans/USSA.htm

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"Get Ready for the USSA (The United Soviet States of America) You will be happy to learn that the former head of the KGB (the secret police of the former Soviet Union), General Yevgeni Primakov, has been hired as a consultant by the US Department of Homeland Security. Do you think he will share his expertise in "security" to prepare US citizens for domestic internal passports under the pretense of fighting the never-ending "War on Terrorism"? ... When the NICA (National Identity Card Act) gets passed, the Posse Comitatus Act gets overturned, a few other pieces of legislation yet to be proffered get passed, the White House will have more control over the American people than the Kremlin had over the Russian people when Stalin was alive. He said that and then he laughed. What Primakov finds funny are what he calls these "right wing flag wavers" that were so anti-communist and now they're supporting a state policy of internal passports. ... Primakov continued by saying that he had been hired as a consultant and he was consulting on other "security" matters, an ongoing policy in various agencies of government (some of these offices haven't even been created yet) to consistently narrow the rights of the American people and to expand the power of government. He professed not to know why, the reason for all this was, other than he admitted that "it doesn't have much to do with 'fighting terrorism.'""

8/4/2005 10:50:44 AM

hahahaha http://www.impeach-bush-now.org/Articles/Americans/USSA.htm hahahaha

i wonder what that website's intent is

8/4/2005 10:52:00 AM

Primakov was never the head of the KGB. This is yet another article from a web site with absolutely no credibility. While part of it may be based on doctored facts, the bulk of it is pure speculation.

8/4/2005 11:01:49 AM