I think she could split it up, one part what he does during the summer, who is he going to learn the dark arts from and two if Hogwarts does reopen what happens then. Ron and Hermione said they were going to help him, so does that mean they wont go back to school. Its going to be interesting...

7/28/2005 1:59:27 PM

As far as skill goes I think Harry has everything he needs to take down Voldemort, it doesn't seem like a lot, but I think it's enough

I really don't think there will be much learning of new spells/skills in the next book

7/28/2005 3:06:38 PM

it doesnt seem like he knows anything... it seems almost every spell he uses he's learned by accident, or he can't use at all. He actually seems like a pretty sucky wizard.

7/28/2005 3:14:17 PM

i am positive that harry will die killing voldy. i was right about dumbledore dying in this book, although i didn't expect it would have been snape who killed him.

7/28/2005 9:02:39 PM

remember GoF...is it even possible for Harry and Voldemort to duel since their wands are "connected"?

7/28/2005 9:10:03 PM

only if they dont cast a spell at the same time

7/28/2005 9:17:10 PM

there is nothing to prevent one of them to dump their old wand and use someother one.

7/28/2005 9:30:50 PM

bear in mind i know nothing about harry potter except what i saw in the first movie, but when did snape become a bad guy? didn't he save harry during that quidditch match while the voldemort carrier guy was casting a spell?

7/28/2005 9:34:37 PM

right now there is a lot of speculation going either way for Snape

I, for one, still think he is a good guy...but only time will tell

7/28/2005 9:36:42 PM

he killed dumbledore and he could still be a good guy? how is that possible?

7/28/2005 9:43:18 PM

i don't believe snape is bad, because throughout the series, HP's theories have been speculative but have always missed the mark. Dumbledore's theories are always very well thought through, with evidence, and typically correct.

Dumbledore is certain that Snape is trustworthy; why else would he accept a staunch Death Eater into the OOTP?

Harry is seeing pieces and has always seen Snape as the overbearing degrading teacher. However, Snape has a history with a Potter, and doesn't want to let his guard down.

7/28/2005 9:45:24 PM

there's more to it than him killing dumbledore tho

he had an unbreakable vow with Draco's mother...Draco was the one who was supposed to kill Dumbledore. Draco didn't have the balls to kill him tho so Snape stepped up and fulfilled the vow, thus (hopefully) protecting Draco from being punished for failure

the HP series is way too complex for Snape to just be evil

7/28/2005 9:48:18 PM

ah, so malfoy actually has a purpose in the series? i just thought he was an annoying fucker to piss off harry all the time

7/28/2005 9:54:59 PM

It's interesting, re-reading OOTP, to hear Snape talk about occlumency. He basically is like "I'm a badass occlumens; on an unrelated note, only a badass occlumens could ever lie to Voldemort."

7/28/2005 11:55:30 PM

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"there is nothing to prevent one of them to dump their old wand and use someother one."

the wand is made for that person...if you use another wand there may be a possibility that the spells may not work or will change since its another wand

7/29/2005 12:00:36 AM

wizards buy wand that they are attuned to, but they aren't (as far as we've seen) custom made for each wizard.
and while it might not be optimal, I'm fairly certain any given wizard could use any given wand. we've seen it enough in the series for it to be a fairly normal practice.
that said, I doubt either Harry or Voldemort would be using someone else's wand in their final confrontation

7/29/2005 1:39:33 AM

I dont believe Snape is evil... I think he stepped up and killed Dumbledore because: 1. He had to carry out the vow he made with Malfoys mother and 2. Dumbledore sounded like he was pleading with Snape to possibly kill him and spare Draco from performing that act. Snape has killed before as a death Eater I would think... As far as the final show down goes, I have no idea what to expect, everytime ive tried to guess in this series she has totally shocked me and made the story even more crazy... I would think Harry makes it out of the 7th book alive though...

7/29/2005 8:16:42 AM

From page 5, re speculating about a final confrontation between HP & Voldemort:

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"Hermione's a very advanced for a witch her age and Harry's lucky as hell (and talented when he can focus) and has been thwarting Voldemort since he's been a baby. Ron will make an excellent body shield. Fighting against Voldemort won't be a matter of power but ideology, ie all the love shit that gets inserted by Dumbledore in every book so far. Voldemort's been afraid of Dumbledore because of his power (the power of luuuuuuuuurve!!) and sometimes tradeoffs have been the result of confrontations. But Voldemort's going to be undone by his ideology and all the psychoanalysis that went on in this book will pave the way for that, just as his behavior in the other books has hinted at it. His willingness to kill unicorns to stay alive, to murder people to preserve his soul, and the fear he uses to control the Death Eaters is going to be pitted against love, justice, and apple pie or butterbeer. We're going to find out that friendship will overcome darkness and that family (since everyone's going to be related to each other since everyone's marrying a Weasley) endures, and that love is the most important magic evar."

7/29/2005 8:25:57 AM

Who thinks Harry dies???

Who thinks he kills Voldemort alone???

Who thinks Ron Hermione or Ginny dies???

Show of hands

[Edited on July 29, 2005 at 8:51 AM. Reason : y]

7/29/2005 8:51:32 AM

How will we know who is raising their hands?

7/29/2005 9:35:03 AM

True what I really meant was for people to say what they thought about each quesiton...

7/29/2005 10:20:04 AM

Will Harry die....i don't think so

Will he kill Voldemort alone...he hasn't killed him alone yet, so i'm gonna go with no (help from snape or hermione possibly...or maybe a joint effort of aurors)

Will Ron, Hermione, or Ginny die....possibly Ron, the other two are pretty good though

[Edited on July 29, 2005 at 10:23 AM. Reason : ]

7/29/2005 10:22:48 AM

I dont see JK killing any of the girls, except for Tonks and Neville

7/29/2005 1:31:51 PM

no way harry kills voldemort alone.

instead i see Snape coming through and saving Harry, possibly with the assistance of Draco.

JKR said that she wants to emphasize that you can't expect to change people, which would lead me to believe that Draco won't be redeemed. However, his sobs with moaning myrtle makes me think he is regretting his decision to join voldemort.

7/29/2005 1:42:05 PM

Ok, so everyone thinks my theory is kaput, and that's ok. Most people that have read the book simply raise an eyebrow at the thought that SNAPE made the potion in the horocrux, but they simply cannot accept that Dumbledore is still alive. Why? Because a line in the book said that the only way Dumbledore's freezing spell (that he used on harry) can be broken, is through death. To me, this seems way too simplistic, and this was Harry's assumption, not anyone elses!!

The entire funeral was strange to me as well. No one literally checked Dumbledore's pulse, Madam Pomprey didn't mention monitoring Dumbledore in the sick bay either. Why not? The phoenix cried a sad sad song for Dumbledore, because most people, including the phoenix, think Dumbledore is dead. The ONLY way he is still alive is if SNAPE made the potion on the Horocrux island.

I also don't take anything that JK Rowling says in interviews as legit. She has said quite a few contractory things in the past, and I wouldn't be suprised if she is willing to fib to protect the secrecy of the last book's plot. Basically, I am unwilling to budge. If Dumblefore is truly dead, then Snape didn't need to make the potion in the horocrux, and then the entire theory is hopeless. If that is the case, then maybe I should write a killer alternate ending for JK.

I think, Snape is good. (Harry's new Godfather at the end of book 7, imho)
I think, Hagrid will show his true colors soon. (General Hagrid leads Giants against the Death Eaters)
I think, Dumbledore is not dead, but not necessarily alive either. Meaning, Dumbledore's memories could remain alive and well, so for all intents and purposes, he still is alive to give advice, teaching, and direction. On the flip side, he is still alive because he has been allied with Lord Voldermort since day one, and this entire book series has been an enormous hoax. (It's a stretch, but it is STILL plausible, and would make for a most excellent ending, imho).
I think, Dobby will have a hand in killing Voldemort. (The undying loyality and devotion of the smallest of creatures can have the greatest of impacts -> See LOTR)
I think, Ron and Hermionine will marry, as will Harry and Ginny.
I think, the scar on Harry's forehead might be a Horocrux, but something tells me Rowling wants us to think this, and so it mustn't be the case.
I think, Harry will defeat Voldermort in a duel with the Sword of Gryffindor, the Phoenix, and the invisibility cloak.
I think, Draco Malfoy will die saving Harry from a killing blow by either Voldermort or his own father Lucius. In the end, Draco will see the light (See Darth Vader).

That's a wrap.

[Edited on July 29, 2005 at 2:11 PM. Reason : -]

7/29/2005 2:06:41 PM

JK has even admitted to sometimes being a little misleading with interviews with stuff she says, but when she comes right out and says "so and so is dead" it's usually true and they don't come back. Obviously Dumbledore will play a part in the next book, but he is def. dead.

7/29/2005 2:28:29 PM

"I think, Harry will defeat Voldermort in a duel with the Sword of Gryffindor, the Phoenix, and the invisibility cloak.
I think, Draco Malfoy will die saving Harry from a killing blow by either Voldermort or his own father Lucius. In the end, Draco will see the light (See Darth Vader)."

I like that, seems like a possibilty... Havent heard it yet either...


[Edited on July 29, 2005 at 2:51 PM. Reason : sdfgh]

7/29/2005 2:49:53 PM

maybe its just me, but I think that "Dumbledore's Army" will play a big role in the next book. I know the reason given in 5 for the name, but it seems as though it may take on new meaning with Dumbledore's death.

7/29/2005 2:51:57 PM

^yeah i agree that they'll play a part


however i think it'll be JUST Harry or possibly Harry, Ron, and Hermione that go after the Horcruxes

[Edited on July 29, 2005 at 3:03 PM. Reason : ]

7/29/2005 3:00:13 PM

me too

7/29/2005 3:01:27 PM

Yeah, I can see the three of them going after the Horcruxes but they'll definitely need some "inside" help, probably from R.A.B or maybe even Snape, if he really is good...I don't see how they'll be able to find them all in the span of a "year" without assistance unless book 7 expands beyond a normal school year since they won't be at Hogwarts anymore.

7/29/2005 3:10:26 PM

Thats pretty much the same thought I had. I hope this book is bigger than 6 if she really isnt going to write anything else. I have a feeling we will have an in depth description of them finding one horcrux, and two quick ones, and the last one they dont get until they are almost to Voldemort himself. Something like the scar, snake, or a ruby from Gryffindor. The DA, Aurors, Lupin, Snape, Malfoy will all be there in a massive final battle but Harry with assitance from Snape and Sirius (look out) guarded by the ghosts of his parents will be almost to his end when Voldemort is killed..

[Edited on July 29, 2005 at 3:15 PM. Reason : ohh yeah]

7/29/2005 3:15:06 PM

well they already have the locket(they jus don't know it), so that leaves 2 more to find...they will be back at Hogwarts, even if they aren't learning they will be there, I doubt JK is going to abandon her ONLY really setting so easily

and the 7th book will be longer than the 6th, but shorter than the 5th (according to JK)

7/29/2005 3:23:49 PM

Kreacher might have the locket, but first they have to realize who RAB is

7/29/2005 3:25:08 PM

they'll probably not even consider the locket until last...since they already have it

I can see them going after two of the Horcruxes and having no luck finding the third...and then all of a sudden *BAM*, they realize they've had it all along and once they figure out how to open it they can destroy it

7/29/2005 3:32:16 PM

I think they will be back at school (how convenient that voldemort chose things about the school to make horcruxes out of). The school will still be open, and the new defense against the dark arts teacher will play a role in helping harry obtain the horcruxes.

7/29/2005 4:57:01 PM

Honestly a great book.

Db is dead...

Snape is good (had to play the role-that is why he did no spell to hurt. knock out, or just freeze

Harry--he could have easily just froze him or knocked him out)

I am still guessing on Horcruxes

Hogwarts will be open

RAB is Serius Brother

7/29/2005 11:36:27 PM

I was rather disappointed that there wasn't any further allusion to Neville possibly being involved in the prophecy. I was kinda hoping that he might have some role to play in the endgame - preferably not that of human sacrifice.

I hope very much that Malfoy does indeed do something to prove that he's not completely worthless. Being an ass is one thing, being pure evil is another entirely. I'd like to see him prove the difference and learn from it.

I still also have a sneaking suspicion that Sirius Black isn't completely out of the picture...

7/30/2005 12:22:59 AM

Quote :

"instead i see Snape coming through and saving Harry, possibly with the assistance of Draco. "

Snape pulls a Vader and throws Palpa - I mean, Voldemort - into the Death Sta - I mean, kills him somehow... yeah...

7/30/2005 1:54:18 AM

Just finished the book today...avoided this thread on purpose..
I Just read the whole thread, or attempted to... i have a couple points that I don't think have been made..but may have...

I agree with the predictions that Snape is still on the good side... Dumbledore has a reason, yet unknown, to REALLY trust Snape.
I believe Snape made ANOTHER unbreakable vow to Dumbledore, to always be on Dumbledore's side and to fight against Voldemort...
Why else would they introduce the unbreakable vow in this book? It was mentioned 2 or 3 times in the book, but that was it. Yes, Snape was acting on the unbreakable vow throughout the book, but it was implied, not mentioned.
I believe Snape and Dumbledore made an unbreakable vow earlier in the timeline...and THAT is dumbledore's reason for trusting Snape.

Secondly, I want to know why Fawkes' feather is in both Harry's and Voldemort's wand. How did Fawkes come to be, and what is the significance of Dumbledore's phoenix having a part in both their wands.... I know why Harry's wand is similar to Voldemorts, b/c of the connection they have due to the scar etc...
But there is a larger role that Fawkes and Dumbledore play that we have yet to learn...just my opinion.

7/30/2005 4:27:04 PM

^ i agree with your point about Fawkes playing a more significant role.

interesting thought on why dumbledore trusts snape. I've always wondered what dumbledore's good reason was.

7/31/2005 3:49:52 PM

another friend just reminded me that dumbledore may not be dead-dead.. he had a fascination with phoenixes and we see something rise out of the grave....kind of

7/31/2005 9:01:17 PM

eh, i think ppl are holding on to the false hope that Dumbledore may still be alive

he's gone and I'm over that...Harry needs to finish alone (and this is his motivation to do so)

7/31/2005 10:55:38 PM

well i think they are holding on to the hope that dumbledore will return in another form....aka ghost or something

7/31/2005 11:03:55 PM

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"I believe Snape made ANOTHER unbreakable vow to Dumbledore, to always be on Dumbledore's side and to fight against Voldemort... Why else would they introduce the unbreakable vow in this book? It was mentioned 2 or 3 times in the book, but that was it."

Great point...I like that thinking


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8/2/2005 11:02:32 AM

I thought Draco crying in the bathroom was kinda hokey

8/2/2005 11:15:43 AM

Well... He was fearing for his life as well as his family's...
He didn't really want to kill Dumbledore as we saw in the last scene as he lowered his wand....yet he was still fearing for his life and his family's life if he didn't do the deed...

Also..I just thought about something else...We know Snape is an accomplished Legilimens... At the end when he is looking at Dumbledore and Dumbledore says, "Severus...please...".. He could have completed the sentence in his head and Snape could have read it in his mind...that his final order was to kill him for the sake of the Order of the Phoenix..
Dumbledore knew his time was coming, he was aging, reactions failing him...etc...

[Edited on August 2, 2005 at 11:18 AM. Reason : yep]

8/2/2005 11:18:06 AM

I think that Voldemort is going to kill one if not both of Dracos parents and in the end Draco helps Harry kill Voldemort in some senario where Voldemort thinks Draco is still on his side.

8/2/2005 11:20:32 AM

I've got $100 that says if Harry lives, he'll end up teaching Defense Against the Dark Arts.

8/2/2005 11:40:18 AM

Quote :

"I want to know why Fawkes' feather is in both Harry's and Voldemort's wand"

Can you point out where it says that the feathers came from Fawkes?

I thought the deal was that the phoenix that provided the feather for harry's wand only gave one other... the one in voldemort's wand.

I don't remember anyone ever saying it came from fawkes.. I could be wrong, but if you can prove me otherwise, then i agree that fawkes probably still has a greater roll to play

[Edited on August 2, 2005 at 11:47 AM. Reason : it]

8/2/2005 11:45:13 AM