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"He's already fucked up. But you're fine with him staying and going 6-5 next year and making another shitty bowl and we can keep him???"

It's painful, but I think strategically it makes fine sense to have this approach.

1) You give him an ultimatum that if the trend of the program isn't clearly positive - and going 6-5 isn't clearly positive then he will be done.
2) Tell him beginning mid season (or earlier if it is really that shitty) we start taking a close look at the program. And he will be fired before the end of the season if the same problems that have existed for the past 3 years are still hanging around. And we can begin the coaching search sooner.

Barnett makes good points. Who are we going to get this late in the game? The biggest risk we have is a drop of in recruiting by keeping him on one more year. But I think if we play it smart and bring in a big name after, then the recruiting comes back.

11/22/2006 10:50:05 AM

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"It would be stupid to think anyone we could get now would be half as good as Cowher."

There are plenty of good coaches out there. And who's to say Cowher is going to come after taking a year off anyways. There are too many ifs. Keeping Amato for another year can only bring the program down even further.

11/22/2006 11:03:06 AM

i dont see what chuck is currently doing to warrant another season.



if you cant be fired after the season he has had (embarrassing the school with the akron talk, a losing record, no bowl, recruiting has fallen behind duke, and an entire fanbase in an uproar) then i am going to be a college football coach

or a meteorologist

11/22/2006 11:20:30 AM

Great. One article from some N&O idiot and everyone is now poised to settle for another dismal season with nothing to look forward to and another UNC loss.

11/22/2006 11:28:10 AM

Chuck is gone pretty much, the only reason to NOT fire him at this point is to wait and see what Cowher says in January.

Rumor around the big guys is though that Chuck has already gotten word and it will be announced Monday, also they seem to think that Fowler will retire sometime in the new future and for some reason Doc Holliday will be our new AD.

there you have it.

11/22/2006 11:30:07 AM

murphys jet must have a flux capacitor on it now

11/22/2006 11:32:31 AM

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"There are plenty of good coaches out there. And who's to say Cowher is going to come after taking a year off anyways."

not to mention the fact that there is no evidence that cowher will be the best thing since sliced bread if he comes here. As has been said a lot recently, offense is more important in college football than defense is. Cowher is a defensive minded coach and I think would be a lot like things are now . . . play to be in it at the end and not play for the win from the get go. How many years was he mediocre to maybe slightly above average in the NFL? How many times has he come up short when it really mattered? He only won the superbowl last year out of luck.

While everyone says they want Cowher, I think they would be much happier with someone like a Norm Chow that would bring offensive production and have mediocre defenses.

[Edited on November 22, 2006 at 11:34 AM. Reason : ]

11/22/2006 11:32:37 AM

YOU PEOPLE...

11/22/2006 11:33:48 AM

Yeah, but...

he's BILL COWHER!!!!!111ONE

11/22/2006 11:34:20 AM

haha yall are questioning Cowher

wow, you really ARE a State fan.

11/22/2006 11:37:19 AM

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"give him another season, and start putting out feelers now, so a well-planned coaching search can be conducted."

yeah, that's going to look real good to potential candidates... we'll keep you around as a lame duck coach expecting you to do your job while we continue to actively look for your replacement.

if that is the case, you might as well cut your losses now.

11/22/2006 11:41:03 AM

feelers /= actively looking

11/22/2006 12:08:00 PM

haha SFN exceeded their bandwidth

11/22/2006 12:37:41 PM

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"While everyone says they want Cowher, I think they would be much happier with someone like a Norm Chow that would bring offensive production and have mediocre defenses. "

I think our defense is going to be pretty good regardless since we've usually had that throughout NC State history. You're right about the offense though because you can tell the years that we had it going on.

11/22/2006 1:00:33 PM

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" How many years was he mediocre to maybe slightly above average in the NFL? How many times has he come up short when it really mattered? He only won the superbowl last year out of luck."

Are you kidding me?

How was Spurrier as a pro coach?

How is he as a college coach?

ANYONE who wins the superbowl is a good coach.

11/22/2006 1:10:24 PM

Just curious, has any successful NFL coach ever went to college and had equal or greater success? I only know of college coaches who went to the NFL, failed, and came back to college (Spurrier, Pete Carroll, etc).

11/22/2006 1:37:40 PM

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"I think our defense is going to be pretty good regardless since we've usually had that throughout NC State history. You're right about the offense though because you can tell the years that we had it going on."

a lot of the reason we have been defensive over the years is because we have traditionally had coaches from a defensive background.

But I didn't mean that we would be bad at defense. Just that people would be happier with a good offense that can put points up on almost anyone and ok or even subpar defense than they would be with a good defense and a ok offense that struggles (like last year's team).



Cowher had some good years in Pitt for sure, but he has also had some bad ones and has had trouble winning when it mattered. He has been to the playoffs 10 times and of those 10 has made it to the conf. champ 6 times and the Superbowl 2 times.

^^Two completely different situations. Spurrier made his name in college. Cowher hasn't coached anything but pro and they are two different beasts.

Did you watch the same superbowl that I did? It was ugly, there was nothing good about it.



I'm not saying he wouldn't do well here, I'm more than willing to give him a shot. It is just stupid for everyone to act like he is god and would instantly cure all our problems. But whatever, this will fall on deaf ears.





[Edited on November 22, 2006 at 1:46 PM. Reason : ^I had the same thought]

11/22/2006 1:44:11 PM

How much of a chance would we have with Norm Chow? He would win from the getgo IMO

11/22/2006 1:47:47 PM

i am of the opinion that if chow wanted to be a college head coach, he would already be one, and probably at a top 20 school.

but, yeah, id like to see chow's offense run again in Raleigh

[Edited on November 22, 2006 at 1:49 PM. Reason : ]

11/22/2006 1:49:11 PM

I think he would have the ability though to pick and chose his assistants with a wisdom and selection that hardly any other college coach would. who wouldnt want to work for a superbowl coach, thats a hell of a resume builder.

and kids will want to come here with him coaching them, same as with Lowe I think he can use that line "I know what it takes to be the next Bus or Big Ben...come run with me"

ohh and chow for OC no doubt.

[Edited on November 22, 2006 at 1:50 PM. Reason : f]

11/22/2006 1:49:59 PM

Plus, I doubt Butch Davis would talk smack to him the way Buntcake did to Amato.

Cowher would be like : "So how bout them Browns....?"

11/22/2006 1:51:31 PM

Bob Bratkowski.... im telling you.....thats who we need

11/22/2006 1:55:59 PM

Ditka

11/22/2006 3:37:31 PM

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"ANYONE who wins the superbowl is a good coach."

Did Mike Martz win a Superbowl?

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"Just curious, has any successful NFL coach ever went to college and had equal or greater success?"

Jimmie Johnson but I guess that's backwards

[Edited on November 22, 2006 at 3:50 PM. Reason : nm Martz lost one]

11/22/2006 3:49:50 PM

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"Did Mike Martz win a Superbowl?"

not as a head coach...

11/22/2006 3:52:05 PM

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"i am of the opinion that if chow wanted to be a college head coach, he would already be one, and probably at a top 20 school"

your opinion is wrong b/c Chow has said that the only college HC job he would take would either be NCSU or ASU

11/22/2006 3:53:47 PM

has he really officially been quoted as saying that?

I was under the impression that's what some blogger said.

11/22/2006 3:54:40 PM

naw, i think he actually got quote with that

11/22/2006 3:55:52 PM

well then shit, why are we even talking about this?


hmmmmm, Amato or Chow, Amato or Chow, it's almost too tough a decision.

[Edited on November 22, 2006 at 3:57 PM. Reason : dfh]

11/22/2006 3:56:50 PM

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"Just curious, has any successful NFL coach ever went to college and had equal or greater success? I only know of college coaches who went to the NFL, failed, and came back to college (Spurrier, Pete Carroll, etc). "

Charlie Weiss is doing well at Notre Dame. Granted he was never an NFL head coach, but he has taken his NFL philosophy to ND and turned their program around.

11/22/2006 3:57:23 PM

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"While everyone says they want Cowher, I think they would be much happier with someone like a Norm Chow that would bring offensive production and have mediocre defenses."

while i agree with this, i think i'd be willing to settle for bill cowher.

11/22/2006 3:57:25 PM

I heard that Steve Spurrier was looking at houses in Cowher's neighborhood the other day

11/22/2006 10:23:44 PM

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"while i agree with this, i think i'd be willing to settle for bill cowher."

me too, i was just saying that I think everyone is setting themselves up for disappointment for if / when cowher does ever come

[Edited on November 22, 2006 at 10:29 PM. Reason : ]

11/22/2006 10:28:47 PM

^ i'd have to believe he'd have a good showing in the college ranks, if he were to come. we're talking about a guy w/ a .627 as a head coach in the nfl.

[Edited on November 22, 2006 at 10:53 PM. Reason : took out chuck bashing.]

11/22/2006 10:52:21 PM

I'm not saying that Bill Cowher will be the best college coach since Knute Rockney, but... we have to admit that coaching in college is drastically different than coaching in the NFL.

for starters, you actually recruit your players. and while, I'd have to agree that this is a disadvantage to cowher initially, I can't help but think that he would improve pretty quickly. After all, he can say "I coached a superbowl team, yadayadayada." That's gonna have a lot of pull. He might have only had a 63% winning percentage in the pros, but imagine if he could have picked all of his players. how would his percentage have changed?

and, imagine what kind of recruiting advantage he would have. It's one thing to be an equal in the recruiting race, but a superbowl coach? That's simply going to help a ton. The rest would really just depend on how good of a coach bill actually is.

11/22/2006 11:05:40 PM

you guys have to remember bill cowher's main attraction to big time recruits isnt going to be hey look i have a super bowl ring....it is going to be hey look i have coached in the NFL son, i know people, i can get you to the pros.

11/23/2006 2:53:48 AM

and.... I HAVE A SUPERBOWL RING

11/23/2006 8:47:43 AM

Yeah, seriously, who is going to turn down somebody who knows how to win football's greatest achievement?

11/23/2006 9:21:17 AM

A little birdie told me that Amato is gone and there will be an announcement on Sunday.

According to this birdie, he was already gone before the UNC game, but they didn't have a pool of interested replacements to call on so they waited until this weekend to announce it. BTW, Cowher is not on the list of possible replacements.

11/23/2006 3:51:31 PM

please to tell us who is on this so called list...

11/23/2006 3:56:18 PM

I wish I knew. Probably guys like Montgomery, Donnan, etc.

11/23/2006 3:57:35 PM

I hope neither of those guys will be considered. Donnan is a jackass and has been out of the game for 5 years. Montgomery hasn't done anything at Miami of Ohio.

11/23/2006 4:06:16 PM

CHOW?

11/23/2006 6:10:11 PM

Nobody really has a Birdie and Amato will be back next year.

Seriously, do you honestly think anyone's "source" is credible after this summer?

11/23/2006 6:28:33 PM

a guy can dream though can't he?

11/23/2006 7:09:05 PM

Some famous black guy had a dream........

11/23/2006 7:38:32 PM

boy was he way off!!!1

11/23/2006 7:40:31 PM

^^ which kramer snuffed out

11/23/2006 9:30:42 PM

My aunt is lifetime friends with Bill Cowher's wife and she told us some things tonight at Thanksgiving that made me cream my fucking pants. She was talking about Cowher's house in Raleigh and his daughter's boyfriend at Princeton (hockey player/senior) and how Bill likes him..blah blah blah........but then my ears perked up when she said

"Bill wants to come to State badly but the biggest thing right now is the timing. He might stay in Pittsburgh another season or two before he comes back for good"

then I asked her about it and her husband (who is a Duke fan) told me "Don't worry, its a matter of time."

My uncle is a bigtime Wake Forest donor and practices law here in Raleigh and my other uncle is a football coach (and Duke supporter) They are friends with alot of UNC alumni too and get wind of info in advance. One thing they said about Butch Davis that made me laugh was that UNC sent out the signal that they didn't care about ethics, just winning...and that by hiring Butch, UNC will become "Thug U."

[Edited on November 23, 2006 at 9:48 PM. Reason : .]

11/23/2006 9:48:00 PM

my dad is wendell murphy's cousin and said that he is going to offer spurrier 5 million dollars a year plus lifetime barbeque to come coach

11/23/2006 9:50:05 PM