i'd love to get Harrison or Chad or somebody at 19...I'm so tempted to grab Brady at 22 if he's there but I'm also hesitant to pick a QB that high not named Peyton Manning

i just see Manning, Brady, Palmer, Brees as the ballers (followed by Bulger, etc) and would love to get in on one of them

also this is obviously a must

Quote :

"Pre-draft rankings . . .24. Cedric Benson 25. Carson Palmer Exclude Rankings Michael Vick"

[Edited on August 27, 2007 at 5:30 PM. Reason : .]

8/27/2007 5:28:16 PM

haha i killed it but so did some other teams...10 team league but one player is an idiot and instead of preranking his top 200 players he put his top 200 in the exclude list lolz

my team

4th and Goal

1. (2) Steven Jackson
2. (19) Maurice Jones-Drew
3. (22) Chad Johnson
4. (39) Drew Brees
5. (42) Roy Williams
6. (59) Jamal Lewis
7. (62) Baltimore
8. (79) Ladell Betts
9. (82) Kellen Winslow
10. (99) Deion Branch
11. (102) Julius Jones
12. (119) Chris Henry
13. (122) Bernard Berrian
14. (139) Jason Elam

his unbelievably shitty team

InsiderInfo

1. (3) Kurt Warner
2. (18) Mike Nugent
3. (23) Wali Lundy
4. (38) David Thomas
5. (43) Reche Caldwell
6. (58) Bryant Johnson
7. (63) Kansas City
8. (78) Arnaz Battle
9. (83) Samkon Gado
10. (98) Daunte Culpepper
11. (103) Jay Feely
12. (118) Dan Campbell
13. (123) New York
14. (138) Travis Taylor

8/27/2007 7:30:53 PM

I hope his waiver wire skills are good.

8/27/2007 8:07:08 PM

yeah and we're kind of trading to give him a snowballs chance

i traded him chris henry for daunte culpepper

course i didnt know it was the rookie 3rd string RB for the titans lol!

8/27/2007 8:08:06 PM

aha you asshole

8/27/2007 8:11:02 PM

there are still quality players out there though...Terry Glenn, Rex Grossman, etc

8/27/2007 8:16:32 PM

10 team league...

Round Pick Player Position
1. (6) Frank Gore RB
2. (15) Maurice Jones-Drew RB
3. (26) Thomas Jones RB
4. (35) Roy Williams WR
5. (46) Plaxico Burress WR
6. (55) Vince Young QB
7. (66) Braylon Edwards WR
8. (75) Baltimore DEF
9. (86) Alge Crumpler TE
10. (95) Vernand Morency RB
11. (106) Muhsin Muhammad WR
12. (115) Eli Manning QB
13. (126) Chris Henry RB
14. (135) Shayne Graham K
15. (146) Greg Jennings WR

8/27/2007 8:20:41 PM

Quote :

"InsiderInfo"

god i hope so

8/27/2007 11:34:03 PM

Quote :

"course i didnt know it was the rookie 3rd string RB for the titans lol!"

I actually considered picking up the Adrian Peterson that plays for the Bears and trying to trick someone in a trade.

8/28/2007 12:43:09 AM

Round Pick Player Position
1. (2) Steven Jackson RB
2. (23) Marshawn Lynch RB
3. (26) Chad Johnson WR
4. (47) Calvin Johnson WR
5. (50) Jamal Lewis RB
6. (71) Matt Hasselbeck QB
7. (74) Joey Galloway WR
8. (95) Matt Schaub QB
9. (98) L.J. Smith TE
10. (119) Denver DEF
11. (122) Jeff Wilkins K
12. (143) Joe Horn WR
13. (146) Brandon Marshall WR
14. (167) Ron Dayne RB
15. (170) Brandon Jones WR
16. (191) Dwayne Jarrett WR
17. (194) Arizona DEF

12 team league. How's it look?

I really wanted Willie Parker but he went right before Marshawn Lynch who I am about.

I offered Chad Johnson and Lynch for L. Coles and W. Parker. Smart? Stupid? Think it happens?

8/28/2007 10:25:44 AM

OK, since I'm 2nd in my next draft, do I just follow the blueprint above or go a different route (i.e. RB stud, WR stud, RB)?

8/28/2007 11:40:22 AM

I am convinced more and more that a 14 team league is the way to go, 10 is too easy, 12 is probably good for the average league, 16 (did that one year, it was brutal) I liked, but definitely hard as shit if you have a RB go down, but 14 seems to be perfect

8/28/2007 11:47:34 AM

Quote :

"I offered Chad Johnson and Lynch for L. Coles and W. Parker."

I probably wouldn't do that trade. Replace Ch. Johnson with Galloway, and try that.

[Edited on August 28, 2007 at 11:55 AM. Reason : Galloway is still productive]

8/28/2007 11:54:21 AM

but he dosent have carson throwing him the ball

bucs alliance nonwithstanding

8/28/2007 11:56:58 AM

I don't think he'd bite on that. I don't want to lose Chad, but with my RB situation, I need help.

8/28/2007 11:57:04 AM

yeah, I wouldn't do that either... saw Ocho Cinco for the first time in person last night, its amazing how much separation he can get, kept making Deangelo Hall his bitch but Palmer didn't throw to him, looked like they were trying to focus on passing to the RBs and TEs

8/28/2007 11:58:08 AM

and it sounds like Brandon Jones is losing his starting job... anyone else you could pick up and drop him?

8/28/2007 11:59:21 AM

What do you all think about Dwayne Jarrett, fantasy option?

8/28/2007 12:36:29 PM

for your 7th! WR hes alright... not sure who else is out there

8/28/2007 12:41:05 PM

My Second Team:

QB: D. McNabb (QB-PHI)
WR: C. Johnson (WR-CIN)
WR: R. Wayne (WR-IND)
WR: B. Berrian (WR-CHI)
RB: S. Jackson (RB-STL)
RB: J. Lewis (RB-CLE)
TE: J. Witten (TE-DAL)
BN: J. Jones (RB-DAL)
BN: P. Rivers (QB-SD)
BN: T. Glenn (WR-DAL)
BN: F. Taylor (RB-JAC)
BN: H. Miller (TE-PIT)
BN: D. Jarrett (WR-CAR)

K: J. Kasay (CAR)

DEF: Dallas

8/28/2007 12:45:35 PM

Thoughts on this trade I just made. I get Brady, he gets McNabb and Darrell Jackson. Standard scoring 10 team league, we start 1 QB, 3 WRs.

I still have Harrison, Cotchery, Boldin, and Glenn as WRs. Plus this frees up a spot on my roster to pickup Jerrious Norwood, LaMont Jordan, or another WR like Derrick Mason.

I am worried about McNabb and Jackson's health and Brady is a top 2 QB. Plus I now have LT, Harrison, and Brady as my core group.

8/28/2007 1:03:08 PM

you are in good shape... and the other peeps in your league are retards if you have a team that good

8/28/2007 1:11:02 PM

Quote :

"yeah, I wouldn't do that either... saw Ocho Cinco for the first time in person last night, its amazing how much separation he can get, kept making Deangelo Hall his bitch but Palmer didn't throw to him, looked like they were trying to focus on passing to the RBs and TEs "

yeah, the Bengals are giving up on finding a 3rd wr until Henry goes back, they're trying to make Rudi more of a factor in the passing game..probably good news for Rudi owners

[Edited on August 28, 2007 at 1:16 PM. Reason : q]

8/28/2007 1:15:24 PM

Quote :

"Brady is a top 2 QB."

i wouldn't go that far....

8/28/2007 1:22:58 PM

^^ and ^ I am worried about Week 1... my defensive match ups suck ass, I really dont want to lose to Scott's dumbass

8/28/2007 1:28:30 PM

^lol I am not worried all, Mcgahee vs. my Bengals, Jones-drew vs. tennessee, Denver D against Losman...and Billy has LJ (might not get a lot of carries week 1), and his Ravens D against Ocho Cinco and the boys..yeah I'm 1-0

8/28/2007 1:32:05 PM

1. Manning
2. Brees
3. Palmer

...

4. Brady

8/28/2007 1:34:26 PM

my matchups:


ME
QB
Donovan McNabb @GB
WR
Andre Johnson KC
WR
Braylon Edwards Pit
RB
Laurence Maroney @NYJ
RB
Ronnie Brown @Was
TE
Owen Daniels KC
W/T
Mark Clayton @Cin
K
Robbie Gould @SD
DEF
Chicago @SD (YUCK)





HIM
QB
Philip Rivers Chi
WR
Marvin Harrison NO
WR
Donte' Stallworth @NYJ
RB
Frank Gore Ari
RB
Cedric Benson @SD
TE
Todd Heap @Cin
W/T
Marty Booker @Was
K
Nate Kaeding Chi
DEF
New England @NYJ


I think hes got me

[Edited on August 28, 2007 at 1:40 PM. Reason : g]

8/28/2007 1:39:35 PM

I think he does too. You might luck out meaning if you do win, it won't be by a lot.

[Edited on August 28, 2007 at 1:43 PM. Reason : lol]

8/28/2007 1:42:36 PM

you'd have him in a PPR league, but you are right. I think you are in trouble that week.

I drafted Owen as my starting TE as well. Granted we are in a PPR league, so he is actually a pretty solid pick.

I've got Chicago's Defense as well. Very shaky matchup against SD in week one.

Good Luck!

8/28/2007 1:43:25 PM

PPR league?

8/28/2007 1:44:05 PM

^points per reception, which the league in question is, but it's also 1pt/4 carries which offsets that

^^^^^Brady is replacing Caldwell, Troy Brown, and Gabriel with Randy Moss, Stallworth, and Welker, as everyone knows. I think that alone bumps him into the Palmer/Brees category. Palmer will play even better this year, but he does only have 2 targets until week 10. Brees is terrific, but I think last year was as good as it gets for him. That's why I have them

1. Manning
2. Brady
3. Palmer
4. Brees

[Edited on August 28, 2007 at 1:45 PM. Reason : d]

8/28/2007 1:45:01 PM

Points per reception, which is what we are...


my other defense options are:

Green Bay vs. Philly

Washington vs. Miami (just picked them up as an option for week 1)

8/28/2007 1:45:25 PM

OH, my bad. I'm in that Bagel league with a reception counting as one point.

8/28/2007 1:46:00 PM

^ so its a PPR league


so, any defensive thoughts?


here is our defensive scoring system:

Sack (2)
Interception (3)
Fumble Recovery (3)
Touchdown (6)
Safety (3)
Block Kick (2)
Points Allowed 0 points (50)
Points Allowed 1-6 points (30)
Points Allowed 7-13 points (20)
Points Allowed 14-20 points (10)
Points Allowed 21-27 points (0)
Points Allowed 28-34 points (-5)
Points Allowed 35+ points (-30)

8/28/2007 1:47:27 PM

^sheesh, defense wins championships, eh?

8/28/2007 1:48:38 PM

it can... can lose you a lot of them too

8/28/2007 1:50:00 PM

Quote :

"I actually considered picking up the Adrian Peterson that plays for the Bears and trying to trick someone in a trade."

or the Steve Smith who is a rookie out of Southern Cal

8/28/2007 1:50:41 PM

I got offered Rudi, Plaxico and Todd Heap for Larry Johnson. I'm thinking no right now. Rudi is an automatic 1200 and 12 (He has scored exactly 12 TD's each of the last 3 years.) My 3 starting recievers are Chad Johnson, Lee Evans and Santana Moss, and my TE is McMichael. I picked LJ second overall, so I'm probably gonna hold on to him as he has a much better chance of 17+ plus TDs. The Bengals have a shitload of weapons; the Chiefs have LJ, Gonzalez and thats it.

8/28/2007 2:03:58 PM

^I'd take it, especially if you don't have one of the top TE's. If there's one thing I want to get across in this thread, it is that LJ is going to be a huge bust this year. Only a god (like Eric Dickerson) can survive the 429 carries he got last year. Think Edgerrin James, Terrell Davis, Ricky Williams, Eddie George etc. after they received a ton of carries. Think Shaun Alexander, last year. He will probably get injured at some point, but until then his effectiveness will be way down. He was a very smart man to get his money when he did. The easiest way to spot the big RB bust is to look for the player the coach tried to run into the ground the previous year.

[Edited on August 28, 2007 at 2:11 PM. Reason : d]

8/28/2007 2:10:58 PM

^^ I am not big on LJ because:

1. He has no offensive line to run behind
2. His team is garbage at offense other than himself.
3. His holdout will affect his conditioning early in the season.
4. The Chiefs will be playing behind all season limiting how much he can run.

I think that trade is pretty fair, but maybe you can get him to give you something else in place of Plexiglass since you seem to be set at WR.



[Edited on August 28, 2007 at 2:16 PM. Reason : ^beat me to it.]

[Edited on August 28, 2007 at 2:17 PM. Reason : Chiefs]

8/28/2007 2:16:00 PM

I disagree, obviously, as I took LJ over Steven Jackson. He is still just 27, and has less than 900 career carries. He is no Eddie George, Edge or Terrell Davis yet in terms of taking a pounding over several years. I'll start to worry as he approaches 30 years and 2,000 carries, but this year I think he's the clear number 2 RB, though I wouldn't argue anyone taking Jackson either.

8/28/2007 2:17:20 PM

Quote :

"^^ and ^ I am worried about Week 1... my defensive match ups suck ass, I really dont want to lose to Scott's dumbass"

what's your team name?

I'm going against LT and the leinart/boldin connection.....I feel pretty good unless leinart throws for 100+ yrds and 1+ touchdowns to boldin.

[Edited on August 28, 2007 at 2:17 PM. Reason : /]

8/28/2007 2:17:40 PM

I think McMichael's is going to have a horrible season...take Heap and Rudi...thats just me though

8/28/2007 2:26:09 PM

^^^Edge was 23, Terrell Davis 27, Jamal Anderson 27, Ricky Williams 26, Eddie George 28, Shaun 29.

[Edited on August 28, 2007 at 2:29 PM. Reason : it's ok to disagree obviously, that's just my 2 cents that I feel strongly about]

8/28/2007 2:26:14 PM

if you were to trade Edgerrin James, which RB's do you think would be comparable, but have more of an upside?

8/28/2007 2:44:52 PM

^not to specifically answer your question, but from what i've heard Edge is gonna get more carries this year than his first year with the Cardinals, but that Marcel Shipp is gonna get a lot of the goal line duties

Jerius Norwood looked good last night btw

8/28/2007 2:51:23 PM

Quote :

"what's your team name?"

Hurricane Badass
Tropical Storm Badass for now

[Edited on August 28, 2007 at 3:00 PM. Reason : d]

8/28/2007 3:00:09 PM

^^^If you're wanting to be more risky, you can try to trade for one of these guys:

1. Maurice Jones-Drew
Upside: If you've seen him play, you know. He can score from anywhere, the defense often loses him due to his height, his center gravity is very low and he always pushes the pile like he's a fullback or something. Good run-blocking o-line in Jacksonville. Presence of Fred Taylor should keep him fresh, lower risk of injury.

Downside: Fred Taylor and Greg Jones are healthy for now, could cut into his production. Jack Del Rio is retarded, he could decide to start Couch at QB, or chop Jones-Drew's foot off with an ax.

2. Ronnie Brown
Upside: Very talented, Cam Cameron offenses involve the RB a lot (see LT)

Downside: Cameron keeps blabbing about how Ronnie hasn't locked up the starting job yet, he's put Ronnie Brown on kick returns in the preseason (I thought that's what Ginn was for?). In other words, he's probably retarded too. O-line and passing attack will probably continue to suck, which will make things tough. He hasn't proven he can stay healthy with a tough workload.

3. Cedric Benson
Upside: Good young runner, the #1 RB for a team that might be running a lot, although not as much as last year.

Downside: Liability in the passing game as both a blocker and receiver means Adrian Peterson (the other one) will cut into production. If Benson falters, Peterson is good enough to make this a committee situation. Like Brown, he hasn't proven he can stay healthy with a tough workload, remember he got hurt early in the Super Bowl.

If you are unhappy with Edge, or just feel like you need a roll of the dice, I would go after those guys in that order.


EDIT: Insert McGahee between Jones-Drew and Brown if you can get him, his average-draft position is slightly higher than those guys, but in the league I am in with Jaybee1200 and wlb420 I couldn't give McGahee away.



[Edited on August 28, 2007 at 3:12 PM. Reason : d]

8/28/2007 3:02:01 PM

^well, if you want to give him away......

8/28/2007 3:26:35 PM