that's quite the outing.

12/14/2007 2:18:43 AM

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""This is our first big-stage game," Williams said. "Everybody was watching. We were the only game on. We kind of showed the world what we can do.""

I dont think he realized the game was on the NFL Network, which most of America doesn't even get.

12/14/2007 2:45:09 AM

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" I laughed my ass off when they kept showing his sacks just now on nfl live. I couldnt stop thinking about Reggie Bush sitting in his living room going "FUCK""

yeah, I'm sure he really cares while he is sitting back getting paid more money than he knows what to do with to relax and exercise


I would think that both him and Mario, and maybe Vince, know that they will always be compared because of where they were drafted . . . but then not give a rats ass since there isn't a way to truely compare players with such different roles. Hell, Mario could have the shittiest stats ever yet still be effective just by being there and being double teamed so that someone else gets 1 on 1 and might get through. Just the same, Reggie could have crappy stats and still be effective since the defensive always allowing for his explosiveness may distract the defense and open things up for other people.

[Edited on December 14, 2007 at 6:22 AM. Reason : ]

12/14/2007 6:17:47 AM

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"I dont think he realized the game was on the NFL Network, which most of America doesn't even get."

I'm sure more people saw this game than any other he's played in.

12/14/2007 7:56:42 AM

12/14/2007 8:27:06 AM

Is Reggie Bush gonna make the Pro Bowl this year?

12/14/2007 9:52:46 AM

HELL NO....but Mario is there 4 sure

12/14/2007 10:03:35 AM

I dunno...he only got more sacks last night alone than Julius Peppers has on the entire season

12/14/2007 10:05:46 AM

Where'd all the Mario-haters go? Where are you RoyalFlush, etc.?

12/14/2007 10:45:27 AM

i like those uniforms. id expect to see williams in the pro bowl this yr the way his season is going.

12/14/2007 10:52:09 AM

Pro bowl is looking good with 3 DE's going from the AFC

A bigger stretch is All-Pro, a much higher honor, with only 2 DE's for the entire league

I'm not informed enough on everyone else to make an argument for him, but you'd have to figure he's at least in the discussion

12/14/2007 10:55:57 AM

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"Where are you RoyalFlush, etc.?"

he's suspended.

12/14/2007 11:07:45 AM

I like those uniforms, good to see Mario in red again. The players and coaches have to decide by Monday so Mario definitely chose the right time to blow up.

12/14/2007 11:32:25 AM

^^ see: Dexter

12/14/2007 3:46:50 PM

He and Vince are still about on even ground. They have both had a good year. Both have been injured etc....


Mario is having a good year, I will give him that. But is hardly the type of year that will erase the questions of taking him #1. He will have to have a year just as good as this and better for the next 5 years or more to make it worth it, and even then, its still going to be questionable. If Vince wasn't having a down year this year, then people would still be ripping on Mario. He is lucky Vince isn't doing as well as last year.

[Edited on December 14, 2007 at 3:58 PM. Reason : .]

12/14/2007 3:56:50 PM

Vince has been pretty bad... 7 tds, 16 picks, rating of 67...you can make a good argument that Kerry Collins gives the team a better chance to win

12/14/2007 3:58:59 PM

Yeah, he is doing about as bad as Mario did last year. So like I said, so far each has had a good and bad year.

That being said, factor in what Vince has done for the Titans. Getting fans interested in that organization etc, and he might even have a slight edge.

[Edited on December 14, 2007 at 4:01 PM. Reason : .]

12/14/2007 3:59:43 PM

If he bounces back next year, we can right this year off as the Madden Curse.

But its troubling that he has regressed so much as a passer...he was never great to begin with, now he's abysmal.

12/14/2007 4:04:14 PM

Well to be fair, Rivers has had quiete a drop off to.

And in Vince's defense, look who the hell he has to throw to.

Not saying thats the only reason, but its a big part of it.

And I will not deny Vince has been pretty bad this year.

[Edited on December 14, 2007 at 4:06 PM. Reason : .]

12/14/2007 4:05:47 PM

Vince Young = Golden God #2

12/14/2007 4:29:24 PM

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"And in Vince's defense, look who the hell he has to throw to."

LOL, cause the wide receivers for SD are something to write home about.

12/14/2007 4:30:27 PM

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Haha

12/14/2007 4:33:27 PM

Rivers does have the leagues best security blanket

Fella by the name of Antonio

12/14/2007 4:33:50 PM

fuck yeah rome!!

12/14/2007 4:35:37 PM

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"Mario is having a good year, I will give him that. But is hardly the type of year that will erase the questions of taking him #1. He will have to have a year just as good as this and better for the next 5 years or more to make it worth it, and even then, its still going to be questionable."

bwahaha.

I guess if you don't know about football you might still have questions.

This from the guy that said the Pats don't need a defense.

just admit you got destroyed.

12/14/2007 4:55:46 PM

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"Yeah, he is doing about as bad as Mario did last year"

arent you supposed to get BETTER the more years you play like Mario, not regress like Vince and Bush?

12/14/2007 5:01:59 PM

^

12/14/2007 5:12:31 PM

^^you're right, but, look at peppers this year

it seems like in sports, sometimes you just have an off year, for whatever reason. everyone should sit back and watch bush, young, and mario for several more years before deciding who comes out on top

12/14/2007 5:18:27 PM

^^^I notice you left out your boy Rivers.


He isn't having anywhere near the year he had last year.


But I suppose you will come up with some nice little excuse for that.

12/14/2007 6:31:57 PM

did Rivers get drafted the same year as Young, Bush and Mario? I could've sworn it was a different draft class

or maybe we can talk about the draft class of 1981 since thats also relevant to the whole "BUSH VS. MARIO" debate

12/14/2007 6:33:12 PM

Nothing you posted suggested that.

You said the more a a player plays, the better he is supposed to get.

Rivers is getting worse.

And as I predicted.


Excuses excuses excuses.

[Edited on December 14, 2007 at 6:35 PM. Reason : .]

12/14/2007 6:34:20 PM

should the Texans have taken Rivers instead of Mario?

12/14/2007 6:35:23 PM

How many games have the Texans sold out since they drafted Mario?

And I guess I have to keep bringing it up. Notice how into the game the fans are when Vince comes to town. THE HOME FANS CHEER FOR THE OPPOSING QB.

And what has Mario ever won?

He has a defensive player of the week award

Wasn't even the best defensive rookie on his own team last year.

Vince won offensive ROY and lead his team to the playoffs.



[Edited on December 14, 2007 at 6:39 PM. Reason : .]

12/14/2007 6:36:49 PM

lets see which of the 3 becomes the first Pro Bowler of that draft class

and by your logic Tomlinson and Peyton have gotten worse since last year

oh and Reggie Bush is the worst player in the league right now since he's putting up 0 yards this weekend

12/14/2007 6:40:39 PM

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"Vince won offensive ROY and lead his team to the playoffs."

When did this happen? In high school?

12/14/2007 6:43:22 PM

^Its easy to ask that pro bowl question with 3 games left in a season.

I fail to see any of you asking it at the start of the year, or even last year.

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"and by your logic Tomlinson and Peyton have gotten worse since last year"

Your logic, not mine.


And you still failed to answer any of my questions, so I will ask them again.


And what has Mario ever won?

He has a defensive player of the week award

Wasn't even the best defensive rookie on his own team last year.

Vince won offensive ROY and lead his team to the playoffs.

How many games have the Texans sold out where Vince Young isn't on the field?

[Edited on December 14, 2007 at 6:44 PM. Reason : .]

12/14/2007 6:43:38 PM

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"Vince won offensive ROY and lead his team to the playoffs."

Repeating this over and over doesn't make it true (or grammatically correct)

[Edited on December 14, 2007 at 6:45 PM. Reason : 2]

12/14/2007 6:44:34 PM

They are going this year moron.

And its hilarious how my questions keep getting avoided.


You people do realize, to a struggling and new franchise like the Texans, there is a lot more to cosider in your first years other than wins and stats don't you?

[Edited on December 14, 2007 at 6:46 PM. Reason : .]

12/14/2007 6:45:12 PM

I doubt it.

They won't catch the Browns.

12/14/2007 6:45:53 PM

Well I think we can all agree, right now, their careers and success are pretty much equal.

12/14/2007 6:47:11 PM

Whats ironic is that Rivers performance last Sunday is what will probably ultimately cost the Titans any shot at the playoffs.

12/14/2007 6:47:17 PM

Most sportswriters seem to agree now that Williams was the right pick for the Texans.

But of course you disagree because you're a shortsighted troll.

12/14/2007 6:48:19 PM

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"Whats ironic is that Rivers LT's performance last Sunday is what will probably ultimately cost the Titans any shot at the playoffs."

Fixed it for you.


^Ya know, its funny, when Mario was sucking it up last year, and Vince was having a good year, all of you said you can't judge it one or two years in, give him 3-5 before you claim anything. Then Mario has a few good games while Vince has a down year, and you claim him the victor. It doesn't work both ways my friends.

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"Most sportswriters seem to agree now that Williams was the right pick for the Texans. But of course you disagree because you're a shortsighted troll."

Everyone on ATH the other day still claimed he was the wrong pick except Reali, who isn't even a sportswriter. Just because Rome and a few other guys say he wasn't the wrong pick doesn't mean he was. And vice versa even. Based on their on field success, they are pretty much even.

But when you add in all of Vinces other factors over Mario, then it really becomes a debate.


[Edited on December 14, 2007 at 6:53 PM. Reason : .]

12/14/2007 6:48:48 PM

True, the jury is still out.

But Mario and the Texans are looking better and better every game. Hell, Casey Casserly has gone from goat to genius over the past season while working in the announcing booth.

12/14/2007 6:54:19 PM

I agree, it is still out.

But just because Mario hasn't totally stunk it up, even though it took him almost a year and a half to show any signs of brilliance, you can't say he was the right pick just because he isn't a total bust.


The fact is, that franchise is still a total mess, and they are still having trouble filling the stands.

12/14/2007 6:56:56 PM

^^^there were TWO runs in the two scoring drives in the 4th quarter

12/14/2007 7:00:19 PM

^^Don't downplay Williams' accomplishments this year. This year he has played at an all-pro level and looks like a Peppers clone (circa 2004) right now. Over the past month he has played better than any DE in the game, period. He'll be in Hawaii in February, unlike Young and Bush.

I wouldn't worry too much about the Texans. Winning cures all ills and that defense is gonna be a force for years to come.

[Edited on December 14, 2007 at 7:03 PM. Reason : 2]

12/14/2007 7:03:30 PM

^^Then you failed to see the dump passes to LT that lead to significant yardage.

12/14/2007 7:05:24 PM

You mean that amazing play Rivers had in the end of the game where he wiggled out of a sure sack and threw a beautiful pass to Tomlinson, only to see it get called out of bounds because LT failed to drag his 2nd foot?

That play almost cost them the game. Luckily Rivers stepped up and hit Chambers on 4th down the next play.

12/14/2007 7:07:24 PM

i'll go ahead and call his shot

that pass to chambers should have been overturned and called incomplete

12/14/2007 7:08:35 PM