Sylar killed Charlie Andrews in the Burnt Toast Diner. Hero went back in time to try and save her from Sylar, but lost his power and returned to present day Japan before he could go on the trip with Charlie. When he returns to the Burnt Toast Diner they are all still mourning the murder of Charlie.

Charlie was already doomed due to the blood clot in her brain, but she didn't live long enough to die from that.

10/23/2007 11:10:04 AM

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"that means that Peter potentially has the Haitan's power. "

my guess is peter would lose his power if he came into contact with the Haitan and therefore not be able to absorb his power. basically making the Haitan's power the one power he can not absorb

10/23/2007 11:26:44 AM

I get the feeling it'd work like that too.

10/23/2007 11:39:27 AM

they want us to think parkman's dad is the killer
but he's too fat to be the guy in the hoodie

anyway, maya killed more people than anyone except maybe sylar

10/23/2007 11:46:40 AM

I said earlier somewhere in this thread that if Parkman's dad is the killer, he can probably not only read minds and find other heroes, but do mind control as well. Which would explain why Angela Petrelli's wounds were self inflicted. Explains why Molly is in a coma. And then again last night w saw that he can control what you see (create nightmares) to the point where Nathan and Parkman were trying to kill each other, not the person in their dream.

SO--Parkman's dad could have controlled someone's mind to push Nakamura over the ledge...and obviously someone with regeneration powers b/c the killer went over with him too.

10/23/2007 11:52:39 AM

Well we don't know how Peter's powers work... it might be like the new girls and he has to actually see it in use or it might just be him being near a person who has the power. If he just has to be near them, then he could have been around the Haitan when his power was "deactivated".

PS - Now we at least know where he got his electric power from, meaning he has probably been in captivity or working with The Company.

10/23/2007 12:12:30 PM

^ whoever put peter in the cargo container is pulling some strings and is apparently not part of the company. But at some point Peter was apparently in the vicinity of lightning woman, so the company may have had him at one time.

^^I'm thinking at this point parkman's dad doesn't necessarily have mind control abilities. Angela petrelli could very well have inflicted her own wounds from a nightmare of roaches, rats, etc. crawling all over her face. Not sure yet how to explain Sulu's death, because it seemed like there was more going on there than a nightmare.

10/23/2007 12:46:46 PM

on the topic of charlie andrews, i don't think sylar has that power. when hiro went back i don't think we're told if she died by murder or by blood clot. didn't hiro send her away to keep her out of the diner?

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"Well we don't know how Peter's powers work... "

he simply has to be around someone. like when he met nuclear sprague in NY. just from being around him he started going nuclear.

i really hope that parkman's dad isn't the big bad guy cuz they've really killed a lot of the plot if he is. also, did anyone notice that parkman's powers are expanding. he woke nathan up by talking in his head not just reading thoughts. i wonder if parkman's gonna turn into a bad ass now.

10/23/2007 12:59:24 PM

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"on the topic of charlie andrews, i don't think sylar has that power. when hiro went back i don't think we're told if she died by murder or by blood clot. didn't hiro send her away to keep her out of the diner?"

Dude, go look around on the intarweb. Charlie Andrews was murdered by Sylar.

10/23/2007 1:11:09 PM

^I think that would rock if Parkman became a mental badass. It makes sense that reading minds is the first stepping stone to other mental abilities, with mind control being at the top. Say, reading thoughts -> sending thoughts -> dominating automatic mental functions (i.e. manipulating sensory information such as vision, sound) -> dominating manual mental functions (i.e. manipulating deliberate brain signals for muscle movement).

10/23/2007 1:14:15 PM

Charlie is so last season. Let's drop that topic.

10/23/2007 1:15:31 PM

I don't think parkman's dad can read minds... I think he played parkman by pulling the sympathy card b/c petrelli spilled the beans. I think he can only do nightmares... probably not very specific ones either.
But then he did talk about conning alot of people with his powers...

We also haven't seen anybody with the same 2 powers, unless they got them from someone else (peter and sylar).

[Edited on October 23, 2007 at 1:20 PM. Reason : sdf]

10/23/2007 1:19:54 PM

flyboy and nathan.
but other than that, no one I can think of.

and I agree that we can't trust Parkman's dad that he used to be a mind-reader. Way too early to tell at this point.

10/23/2007 1:24:59 PM

^^ new orlean's girl and charlie have the same power (well the powers are at least similar)

and claire and takezo kensei so far have the same power

[Edited on October 23, 2007 at 1:29 PM. Reason : .]

10/23/2007 1:26:21 PM

^ I thought Charlie's power was just extreme memorization, not muscle related like the New Orleans girl

10/23/2007 1:29:44 PM

Note that Parkman's dad could block attempts to read his mind, which suggests he might also have some proficiency with mind reading/communication.

10/23/2007 1:35:18 PM

uh yeah....

i think that was pretty obvious already

10/23/2007 1:36:16 PM

95% of this thread is obvious

10/23/2007 1:41:02 PM

I blame the writers.

10/23/2007 2:31:46 PM

I think I'm back on the horse after this episode. I loved the part where the scientist gave Ando that funny look after they started reading the scroll and Ando was like "it's a common name"

10/24/2007 8:55:37 AM

Ando is my fav character.

10/24/2007 10:18:33 AM

West, Alejandro, and Micah can do us all a favor by dying as soon as possible. Maya is free to join them if she can't stop whining.

[Edited on October 24, 2007 at 2:51 PM. Reason : to clarify, whining is referring to when she ISN'T crying black tears. because that's fucking sweet]

10/24/2007 2:50:22 PM

did anyone maybe think that flyboy might be another illegitimate child of nathan?

if so, damn... claire made out with her brother.

10/24/2007 3:28:45 PM

using that logic, claire would be flying

10/24/2007 4:57:59 PM

Based on ^ how come claire doesnt use fire? Just because the abilities can sometimes be related to their parents, it doesnt mean a child can't have a different ability.

10/24/2007 5:36:52 PM

^ exactly.... Hence the reason Micah can't walk through walls (or at least I don't think he can) and he doesn't have a split personality.

10/24/2007 6:57:29 PM

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"flyboy and nathan. but other than that, no one I can think of."

it seems like Kensei and Claire have the same power as well.

also I thought about this and had my idea confirmed by listening to the Heroes commentary from the NBC website and since I don't know how to do the high light to read thing I'll just skip some lines








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the necklace that peter was found with was the Hatian's

























the end

10/29/2007 4:22:34 AM

^Uh yeah, that was pretty obvious from the first episode of the season...

10/29/2007 10:37:29 AM

It is obvious that Parkman and his father have the same power. Parkman's father has obviously had his power longer that Parkman has, thus, being more proficient with "mind powers" than Parkman has.

And to whoever posted that Parkman's dad could have controlled someone to push Kaito over the edge. Two problems with that theory are that Kaito somehow recognized who his killer was. And also, while Parkman's dad has super mind abilities, I doubt he has the ability to make a body disappear after it has fallen over the edge.

10/29/2007 11:20:34 AM

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"It is obvious that Parkman and his father have the same power. Parkman's father has obviously had his power longer that Parkman has, thus, being more proficient with "mind powers" than Parkman has."

It's only obvious that they both have mental abilities, but we have no idea (in terms of the Heroes mythos) what the extent and limitation of those abilities are.

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"And to whoever posted that Parkman's dad could have controlled someone to push Kaito over the edge. Two problems with that theory are that Kaito somehow recognized who his killer was. And also, while Parkman's dad has super mind abilities, I doubt he has the ability to make a body disappear after it has fallen over the edge."

Parkman's dad could have mind controlled (assuming he can do this) or arranged a "live nightmare" like he did with Nathan and Matt to compel Kensei (who could still be around) to kill Kaito. Hence, Kaito might find it hard to believe that Kensei, who we believe is good, would want to kill him. I kinda doubt this theory, but it does happen to fit the facts we know, while speculating to the rest.

Of course, if mind control or nightmare illusion is involved, the killer could have been anyone, like Nathan. All we know is that Kaito recognized him/her.

10/29/2007 12:22:35 PM

How about Parkman's dad did the nightmare trick on Ando, causing Ando to think he was seeing someone push off Hiro's dad when in reality he was the one doing it!!



[Edited on October 29, 2007 at 4:19 PM. Reason : .]

10/29/2007 4:13:19 PM

I'd think if Kenzei is the killer who has been marking all the pictures with the symbol, he would have been in the original picture with the original members of the group. Also does anyone have a screenshot of the full photo?

10/29/2007 4:13:46 PM

did we ever find out what Kenzei's talent was?
Hell, we dont know the petrelli mom's either, do we?

As to same talents.... I still dont think they can be exactly the same... maybe nathan and flyboy can both fly... but we haven't seen flyboy zip around at sonic speeds like nathan can.

As for the samurai white guy and claire...that I don't know. maybe it is the same, maybe not... we don't know if samurai can regen like claire can....

10/29/2007 4:28:16 PM

^ Kensei is the "samurai white guy"

^^ I was just about to download the episode where they showed the full picture to see

10/29/2007 5:17:09 PM

i think he probably meant kaito, and no we never found out what his power was

10/29/2007 5:52:10 PM

Where have I seen the guy who plays Ivan before...?

now I remember, he was the landlord on Spider-Man.

[Edited on October 29, 2007 at 8:39 PM. Reason : ]

10/29/2007 8:32:25 PM

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0059946/ = "that guy" in movies

10/29/2007 8:41:52 PM

^ He is Peter Parker's landlord/slumlord in the Spiderman films

10/29/2007 8:41:58 PM

The Haitian seems to be party to a lot of unscrupulous things on his new road to righteousness


I didn't really expect that from his character, Bennett's, but not his.

[Edited on October 29, 2007 at 8:50 PM. Reason : .]

10/29/2007 8:50:21 PM

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"It's only obvious that they both have mental abilities, but we have no idea (in terms of the Heroes mythos) what the extent and limitation of those abilities are. "

True, but the powers shared by Parkman and Parkman's dad do seem extremely similiar, and I have no doubt that if Parkman's 'powers' continue to evolve, his power will be just like his father's. Plus, his dad said that his mind reading was just the tip of the iceberg with his mind abilities, as if his fathers knows what he is capable of, maybe because he went through the same process with his powers?

Quote :

"Parkman's dad could have mind controlled (assuming he can do this) or arranged a "live nightmare" like he did with Nathan and Matt to compel Kensei (who could still be around) to kill Kaito. Hence, Kaito might find it hard to believe that Kensei, who we believe is good, would want to kill him. I kinda doubt this theory, but it does happen to fit the facts we know, while speculating to the rest. Of course, if mind control or nightmare illusion is involved, the killer could have been anyone, like Nathan. All we know is that Kaito recognized him/her. "

Hmm... I never thought of that. Seems very plausible. I hate the fact that the commercials made it seem like the heroes killer was someone we knew, and it ended up being parkmans dad. but whateer

10/29/2007 8:50:54 PM

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"The Haitian seems to be party to a lot of unscrupulous things on his new road to righteousness. I didn't really expect that from his character, Bennett's, but not his. "

Maybe the Haitian believes Bennett is on the right path to making things right, towards 'righteousness'. I'd rather him doing what he is doing now than working for the Company, or slowly dying from that disease in Haiti

10/29/2007 8:53:31 PM

^Well, that goes without saying, I just didn't expect him to be an "end's justify the means" kind of guy.



You know, accidentally teleporting yourself into the future when you didn't know you had that ability would suck so hard.

[Edited on October 29, 2007 at 9:01 PM. Reason : .]

10/29/2007 8:56:34 PM

I still see the possibility of Kensei being the killer of Kaito.

sidenote: preview for next week looked awesome

10/29/2007 9:04:20 PM

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"You know, accidentally teleporting yourself into the future when you didn't know you had that ability would suck so hard. "

wow, incredible call

10/29/2007 9:05:03 PM

OH GREAT

another fucking catastrophe hits New York.....again.

This show and its fucking green screen.

At least use a real set like the rooftop showing the burning city.

This season is horseshit

10/29/2007 9:05:58 PM

what did it say at the end? 93% of the WORLDS population is dead?

10/29/2007 9:09:59 PM

hey I was just watching some commercials from 9 to 10, with the occasional interruption of excerpts from heroes. I was so annoyed ...

Seriously, what is it these days; 40 minutes of show and 20 of commercials?

10/29/2007 9:12:35 PM

^gotta love DVR

10/29/2007 9:14:19 PM

the trick is to record it on dvr, and start watching it 20 minutes late, so you can fast forward

anyways the show was ok, im not sure where its going though, it seems a bit scattered,

10/29/2007 9:24:48 PM

Quote :

"This season is horseshit"

horseshit, this season is getting good

10/29/2007 9:34:48 PM