If you're referring to what I said terp, I was trying to say that if he in fact planned the whole thing, that fact should have no bearing on the way the case is reviewed. I have to assume that if the cops knew he had planned the whole thing it wouldn't have ended up as serious as it is. As it is, they did not know (assuming he actually planned it) so they cannot use the excuse that he was playing it up for the camera. I don't care who is a "douchebag" and who is a "powertripping egomaniac," it does not matter. All that matters is how the situation escalated and was handled.

9/19/2007 1:26:22 PM

^ no i wasn't responding to you - i'm with you that the situation wasn't handled properly

and

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"so both the student and the cops were "douches at heart" sounds like blame is equal so then you look at who showed the first douche tendencies clearly it was the student i rest my case "

go ahead and rest your case - you would lose. It doesn't matter who is a douche first, it matters who assaults who. The cops assaulted him, and actually used a deadly weapon. Yes, a taser has killed before.

9/19/2007 1:33:11 PM

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"it matters who assaults who"

it doesnt matter that the student assaulted the first two cops by shoving them? how come everyone is ignoring that little fact?

9/19/2007 1:53:47 PM

again...

the bitch was still yammering after they tazed him

it's not like they shot the fucker

wtf is the issue

9/19/2007 1:56:03 PM

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"it doesnt matter that the student assaulted the first two cops by shoving them?"

Not really, see... the cops shouldn't have grabbed and pulled him in the first place. Why do you think they're investigating, even though it's all already on tape?

9/19/2007 2:11:36 PM

so you're saying it doesn't matter that the student assaulted the cops

k

and they're investigating whether or not the taser was excessive...nobody is investigating whether or not the kid was a douche and caused a scene...they're simply investigating if they had the right to use a taser, or if they shouldve just carried his sorry ass out of the room

but to act like anything that led up to the tasing is meaningless is being pretty selective and retarded

9/19/2007 2:12:33 PM

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"bitch got what he deserved"

9/19/2007 2:13:12 PM

I wonder if you'll agree after he gets his settlement

9/19/2007 2:15:48 PM

maybe from now on he won't think he's better than everyone else and more entitled to things than anyone else

i wonder what the other people who had been standing in line for 2 hours to ask questions, that he skipped ahead of because he's a bitch, thought about the situation

9/19/2007 2:18:07 PM

who gives a fuck? what does that have to do with anything?

9/19/2007 2:18:59 PM

in soviet russia he'd be digging ditches with an icepick

9/19/2007 2:20:07 PM

ok terpball we get it...the ONLY thing that matters was that the cops touched him and tased him, regardless of what he did the previous 3 hours in the auditorium

anything else doesnt have to do with anything

- talking shit to the organizers was clearly an acceptable thing to do at something organized by the...organizers
- skipping ahead of all the other students who had questions, and who peacefull waited in line 2 hours, and who acted civilized unlike this faggot...thats also not important at all
- when the police went to get him to leave (NOT TO ARREST HIM) for being a complete dick, and he shoved the cops, that is also completely irrelevant

you're basically saying that student had the right to jump ahead of everyone in line...he had the right to talk longer than everyone else...he had the right to stay when they told him to leave...he had the right to shove the cops when they tried to make him leave...but the cops didnt have the right to initially even try to get him to leave?

[Edited on September 19, 2007 at 2:32 PM. Reason : .]

9/19/2007 2:25:15 PM

Treetwista, where did you get this information from? Are you just making it up?

Why are the Florida students so pissed off?

http://www.alligator.org/articles/2007/09/17/news/campus/arrestbreak.txt

Anyway, the fact that you think cops should get away with stuff like this makes you hardely worth responding to. You've obviously never been assaulted by a cop - karma will get you though.

9/19/2007 2:40:19 PM

You can get that info from common sense and the original news article.

How come being assaulted by a cop will let him respond to you. Have you been assaulted by a cop? Ingrained anti-cop issues or something?

That article you listed is clearly unbiased, by the way

9/19/2007 2:46:12 PM

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"You've obviously never been assaulted by a cop - karma will get you though."

great now you're telling me that an aspect of buddhism will assure that i get assaulted by cops in the future

im 27 years old...ive had plenty of run-ins with the law over the past 11 years...initially i was a smart ass...i thought i was the shit...then i grew the fuck up which you obviously havent done yet

9/19/2007 2:49:05 PM

I didn't list that for the article, I listed it for the responses (nmany of them students) at the bottom of the page

^ Look man, I quit smoking weed too, fuck you!

[Edited on September 19, 2007 at 2:50 PM. Reason : ]

9/19/2007 2:49:45 PM

I don't believe the crucifixion of Christ caused this much debate

9/19/2007 2:50:08 PM

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"Ron Paul wrote on Sep 17, 2007 7:25 PM: " ahahahahahahaha " HAHA wrote on Sep 17, 2007 7:31 PM: " that kid is a GAY, so who cares ""

its a mix, just like here

9/19/2007 2:50:46 PM

are you telling me some florida students share your opinion? wow what a revelation

and quitting smoking weed isnt the only part of "growing up"...it might not even be necessary

one fairly necessary part of growing up though is to not throw temper tantrums when you can't get your way like some 8 year old...that Florida student should be on "Kid Nation"

[Edited on September 19, 2007 at 2:52 PM. Reason : .]

9/19/2007 2:51:21 PM

You're a whore

9/19/2007 2:52:43 PM

I wish he would have tried that shit in Russia or the middle east.

9/19/2007 3:07:34 PM

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"lol, are you serious? You don't think those 5 cops could have handled the situation without the taser? They should all be fucking fired, or re-trained then"

Yes, they absolutely could have handled it without a taser. It's also much safer for all involved if they do use the taser. Physical force has a much greater chance of long term serious injury than a 3 second shock.

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"Treetwista, where did you get this information from? Are you just making it up? "

http://www.starbanner.com/article/20070918/NEWS/70918007/1053/BREAKING_NEWS

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" Meyer was in line to ask a question of Sen. Kerry when it was decided that no more questions would be allowed. Meyer continued down the aisle toward Sen. Kerry angrily, according to police, saying he wanted the senator to answer his question because he had been waiting for two hours. ... At that point, police reported that ACCENT Director Max Tyroler turned off Meyer's microphone and asked police to escort him out of the auditorium, saying, "He had said enough," according to Officer Mallo's report."

9/19/2007 3:39:36 PM

i guess you guys think tasering was justified in this case too right? this could be your fucking grandma one day.

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"Wheelchair-Bound Woman Dies After Being Shocked With Taser 10 Times "

[quote]A Clay County woman's family said it's seeking justice after their loved one died shortly after being shocked 10 times with Taser guns during a confrontation with police.

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The family of 56-year-old Emily Delafield said it would take the Green Cove Springs Police Department to court, according to a WJXT-TV report.

In April 2006, officers with the police department said they were called to a disturbance at a home in the 400 block of Harrison Street just before 5 p.m.

In a 911 call made to the Green Cove Springs, Delafield can be heard telling a dispatcher that she believed she was in danger:

Dispatcher: And what's the problem?

Delafield: My sister is waiting on my property.

Dispatcher: Your what?

Delafield: My sister (inaudible) is on my property trying to harm me.

Officers said they arrived to find Delafield in a wheelchair, armed with two knives and a hammer. Police said the woman was swinging the weapons at family members and police.

Within an hour of her call to 911, Delafield, a wheelchair-bound woman documented to have mental illness, was dead.

Family attorney Rick Alexander said Delafield's death could have been prevented and that there are four things that jump out at him about the case.

"One, she's in a wheelchair. Two, she's schizophrenic. Three, they're using a Taser on a person that's in a wheelchair, and then four is that they tasered her 10 times for a period of like two minutes," Alexander said.

According to a police report, one of the officers used her Taser gun nine times for a total of 160 seconds and the other officer discharged his Taser gun once for a total of no more than five seconds.

A medical examiner found Delafield died from hypertensive heart disease and cited the Taser gun shock as a contributing factor, the report said. On her death certificate, the medical examiner ruled Delafield's death a homicide.

The family said it plans to sue the Green Coves Springs Police Department now that it has all the reports regarding their loved one's death.

"We're going to try to compensate the estate and the family and try to get justice," Alexander said.

He said he believes the evidence weighs heavily in favor of Delafield's family and that justice will be served.

"I think that this evidence is going to show, along with some of the evidence we've collected outside of here, that there is no reason Emily Delafield should have died that day," Alexander said.

He said he plans to file a notice to sue sometime before the end of the year.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/wkmg/20070919/lo_wkmg/14147512

[Edited on September 19, 2007 at 7:23 PM. Reason : .]

9/19/2007 7:22:11 PM

Since I think tasering is justified in one case, that means I think tasering is justified in all cases

9/19/2007 7:30:50 PM

I'm loving the "Don't Tase Me, Bro!" music video!!!

9/19/2007 7:36:41 PM

I support the student on this one

sorry

9/19/2007 7:50:56 PM

Bill O'reilly confirms that i'm on the student's side

The day I agree with that bitch is the day I chop my balls off

9/19/2007 8:05:24 PM

Bill O'LOLly

9/19/2007 8:19:45 PM

^^ You may not like O'Reilly, but Dennis Miller appeared on his show and had the best lines I've heard about this situation--regardless of your position:

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"I have to tell you, Bill, this has replaced the waterskiing squirrel as my favorite piece of video. I'm using this as my screensaver."

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"On my Web site, as of tomorrow, we'll have 'Don't taze me, bro!' T-shirts."

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"I found this delicious. At first, I thought I was watching a trailer for Dane Cook's new movie"

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"[W]here was John Kerry? He had the chance for a Sister Voltage moment here, where he jumps off the stage, acts like the hero that he always tells us he is. But he was mute on it. I guess he was waiting for U.N. approval to save the poor kid."

9/20/2007 12:58:30 AM

definitely on the student's side here.

9/20/2007 1:22:42 AM

that kid is a fucking idiot.

i dont think the cops were out of line.

i hope he doesnt get any kind of settlement.

9/20/2007 1:36:40 AM

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"i dont think the cops were out of line. "

Goddamn you're stupid.

9/20/2007 1:38:32 AM

i don't see how there could possibly have been any reason to taser that dude when there are 5 or 6 cops holding him down already.

9/20/2007 2:00:48 AM

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"you're stupid"

no, i dont think so.

i went into this issue automatically in favor of the student.

you see, I'm highly prejudiced for free speech in almost any case, and against abuse of power by the police. i've been following a number of local and national police-abuse incidents recently, and some of them are disgusting in how much the cops think they are above the law.

so after reading the articles -- but before viewing the videos -- i was already convinced that the student had been a victim of excessive police force.

then i watched the video. actually, four different videos, from different angles and sequences.

and now my conclusion is that the student was excessively belligerent, combative, and refusing to obey lawful orders to cease and desist. the student was actively trying to hijack a public appearance by a US Senator to further his own agenda, at the expense of the Senator and the public who had assembled to hear the Senator speak. this was not a forum for this particular student to air his own laundry list of grievances and pet conspiracy theories.

he had his chance -- more than his fair chance -- to speak and ask questions. Instead he felt that HE was above the law, and the rules of common public civility. the local police had jurisdiction and authority to protect the rights of EVERYONE there, including the Senator and the rest of the attendees. their job is to remove people who attempt to disrupt the assembly.

The fact is, if he wouldnt have been a long-winded, blowhard fuckwit, and just asked his goddamed questions like a normal person -- you know, succinctly and to the point --- instead of waving his Book-of-the-Month around and bloviating like he thought he was the Master of Ceremonies.... he could have said what he needed to say, and allowed Kerry to attempt an answer, and not had any problems.

Instead he got physically confrontational with Law Enforcement who were just trying to do their job.

He got what he wanted. And he got what was coming to him.

Fuck that guy.

9/20/2007 2:05:11 AM

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"i went into this issue automatically in favor of the student. "

You really are stupid.

9/20/2007 2:11:44 AM

^ i dont have video access at work. so all i could do was read articles and commentary.

having read a number of articles about this event, and having recently followed a number of legitimate police abuse cases, li was biased in favor of the student. the articles and commentary gave the impression that the student was merely asking questions, and was being denied an opportunity.

THEN i finally saw the videos. four of them. and it became clear that the student was belligerent, hostile, combative, and unresponsive to reasonable orders by event security.

now do you have anything meaningful to add other than "you're stupid"? or is that the best you can do when confronted on your inadequately reasoned position?

9/20/2007 2:17:47 AM

Ok, I didn't know that. I just a big have problem with people who make up their minds before even examing the situation.

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"the articles and commentary gave the impression that the student was merely asking questions, and was being denied an opportunity. "

Even John Kerry said let him finish.


I just don't see how anyone (after seeing the video) could think that the police handled this in a way that could be described as anything other than shitty.

9/20/2007 2:26:55 AM

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"Even John Kerry said let him finish."

big deal.

John Kerry was highly uncomfortable and embarrassed, and stood up there mostly silent, except for mumbling a few mushmouthed, weak, vaguely unspecific, and largely unconvincing protests.

if he was AT ALL interested in giving that kid a forum to speak, he would have TAKEN CHARGE of the situation and told those cops to stand the fuck down.

hes a ranking US Senator and decorated Vietnam combat veteran. I think he can handle a half dozen campus security cops.

all he was doing up there was covering his own ass. muttering a couple pathetic attempts at protest, so he can say later that he supports students and free speech. Kerry wanted that guy out of there as much as the rest of the audience did. yeah, no one wants to see someone get tasered for trying to speak their mind, but goddamn, that kid just wouldnt stop.

that student continually struggled and physically resisted all attempts at restraining him. he was the one escalating the situation. and he was a big guy, bigger than some of those cops, highly agitated -- it was getting close to the area where the cops could possibly lose control. what if the guy went for one of their weapons? then what?








[Edited on September 20, 2007 at 2:56 AM. Reason : edited for grammar/style/clarity... not content]

9/20/2007 2:37:27 AM

let's just hope that you and I are never treated like that.

9/20/2007 2:40:09 AM

sorry, thats not a valid response to my argument.

9/20/2007 2:48:56 AM

Sorry, that was the response after your first edit.




Are we on 4 or 5 now?

[Edited on September 20, 2007 at 2:50 AM. Reason : .]

9/20/2007 2:50:24 AM

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"what if the guy went for one of their weapons? then what?"

yeah, he could have had a bomb under his clothes too. the cops should have just shot him in case.

9/20/2007 7:26:09 AM

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"I wonder if you'll agree after he gets his settlement"

And now you know why the guy goes around kicking hornets nests all the time.

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"He got what he wanted. And he got what was coming to him."

Pretty much.

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"Even John Kerry said let him finish."

What's he going to say? TASER THAT KID!!! He's a politician. He's not going to stick his neck out.

9/20/2007 8:01:44 AM

Joe, we actually agree on something. Good summary too.

He got multiple warnings about being tasered, and I think the "get the fuck off me" was the last straw.

9/20/2007 8:25:27 AM

DONT TASE ME BRO

9/20/2007 8:55:05 AM

I am so conflicted about this shit I can't even believe it.

It's like, police brutality should be okay if you're that big of a douchebag.

9/20/2007 9:00:36 AM

9/20/2007 9:02:26 AM

I saw the video. The coolest thing is before he got tazed he said, "Don't taze me bro !!!!!!!!". And then you just heard the shock.

9/20/2007 12:08:06 PM

He kept it douchebag, B

9/20/2007 12:11:08 PM

lol

9/20/2007 4:28:47 PM