Well it came down to sitting in a thread full of accusations, conspiracies, and generalizations, and most importantly - non-civil discussion

OR

play the just now purchased unopened copy of GTA IV I have sitting on my desk staring me at the face for the past half hour or more.

Sorry but it came down to brass tacks here.

4/29/2008 3:43:12 PM

^ It's okay, he left before he didn't leave. He can have it both ways. Kind of like his argument throughout this thread.

4/29/2008 3:44:11 PM

^^lucky. i hear GTA IV's a really gg

"What particularly angered me was his suggestion somehow that my previous denunciation of his remarks were somehow political posturing," -barack obama, said earlier today.




[Edited on April 29, 2008 at 3:48 PM. Reason : .]

4/29/2008 3:44:54 PM

Video:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24371827

4/29/2008 3:50:54 PM

So you guys thought Obama was actually going to defend and support Rev. Wright?

He can't do that. People in this thread just spent nine pages trying to help you understand Wright's comments, and you fuckers played dumb the whole time. How is Obama gonna go up against a bunch of people who have already made up their minds that Wright is a horrible, indefensible person?

Seriously, I don't think anybody in this thread who was defending Wright did so with Obama's campaign in mind. Of course, Obama was gonna denounce that shit.

4/29/2008 3:53:27 PM

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"So you guys thought Obama was actually going to defend and support Rev. Wright?"

um, wut?

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"I can no more disown Rev Wright than I can the entire black community."

4/29/2008 3:55:47 PM

Maybe you just don't understand Obama's statement

[Edited on April 29, 2008 at 3:57 PM. Reason : actually, it's a fact - you don't understand what ^ that means]

4/29/2008 3:57:22 PM

^ maybe you don't understand the term defend





From the video above:

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"I believe [Wright's comments] give comfort to those who prey on hate"

Why, they certainly do! I agree there. If only Obama had seen that 20 years ago... Yet, he decided to stick around.

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4/29/2008 3:57:30 PM

^5 thanks

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4/29/2008 3:57:46 PM

Quote :

"How is Obama anybody gonna go up against a bunch of people who have already made up their minds that Wright Obama is a horrible, indefensible wonderful, tenable person?"

BridgetSkeeza

Fixed.

[Edited on April 29, 2008 at 4:02 PM. Reason : .]

4/29/2008 4:01:13 PM

Come on guys, Obama didn't distance himself from Wright...he wasn't outraged by Wright's comments...that video clip was merely taken out of context

4/29/2008 4:03:34 PM

LOL

Quote :

"BridgetSPK: So you guys thought Obama was actually going to defend and support Rev. Wright?"

Quote :

"Obama (from video): I cannot continue to defend Rev. Wright"

direct quote.



If you listen to Obama on that video, it's quite good if it is taken in a vacuum. He says he never heard the outrageous statements, yet he admitted he did in his Philadelphia speech. He says Wright's comment give comfort to those who prey on hate, yet he continued to be a patron to Wright's church for 20 years. This is worse than John Kerry!

4/29/2008 4:04:27 PM

^^ lololol. so true.


[Edited on April 29, 2008 at 4:07 PM. Reason : .]

4/29/2008 4:04:56 PM

^^I'm saying that you guys are acting like, "AHA, Obama doesn't even agree with you! He won't even defend Wright!"

And I'm saying that I never expected Obama to attempt to defend him.

But since I'm an individual who doesn't need some leader to dictate my views, I can still say I appreciate some of Wright's comments. I know what his comments meant to me, and I agree with him. The fact that Obama can't or won't say the same thing doesn't sway my view of the matter.

I am concerned that Wright is helping to screw things up for Obama because too many people refuse to recognize that they are too different people. Wright is not Obama.

4/29/2008 4:14:56 PM

^^^^ Yes.

and

^^^ Yes.

Ha-ha!

^ Wait, what?

Obama's Philadelphia Speech Looks Ridiculous Now

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"To refresh, here's what Obama said in that Philadelphia speech... the first time he addressed the issue of Jeremiah Wright's controversial statements. Here are the sections on Wright: I have already condemned, in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely - just as I'm sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests, or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed. Considering how Wright has compared the U.S. to al-Qaeda, calling him 'an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic foreign policy' now sounds like comical understatement. Like calling William Ayers just a professor who lives in the neighborhood, I guess. Given my background, my politics, and my professed values and ideals, there will no doubt be those for whom my statements of condemnation are not enough. Why associate myself with Reverend Wright in the first place, they may ask? Why not join another church? And I confess that if all that I knew of Reverend Wright were the snippets of those sermons that have run in an endless loop on the television and You Tube, or if Trinity United Church of Christ conformed to the caricatures being peddled by some commentators, there is no doubt that I would react in much the same way. After an hour at the press club, those snippets were not refuted but reinforced. Selective editing doesn't make Wright appear extreme; Wright makes Wright appear extreme. But the truth is, that isn't all that I know of the man. The man I met more than twenty years ago is a man who helped introduce me to my Christian faith, a man who spoke to me about our obligations to love one another; to care for the sick and lift up the poor. He is a man who served his country as a U.S. Marine; who has studied and lectured at some of the finest universities and seminaries in the country, and who for over thirty years led a church that serves the community by doing God's work here on Earth - by housing the homeless, ministering to the needy, providing day care services and scholarships and prison ministries, and reaching out to those suffering from HIV/AIDS. When he reaches out to those suffering from HIV/AIDS, does Wright tell them the U.S. government created the virus that ails them? And this helps explain, perhaps, my relationship with Reverend Wright. As imperfect as he may be, he has been like family to me. He strengthened my faith, officiated my wedding, and baptized my children. Not once in my conversations with him have I heard him talk about any ethnic group in derogatory terms, or treat whites with whom he interacted with anything but courtesy and respect. He contains within him the contradictions - the good and the bad - of the community that he has served diligently for so many years. The 'not once have I heard him' line sounds particularly implausible today. I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. Obama has now disproven this. Also note how this statement echoes Wright's insistence that he is not being criticized, but that the entire black church is under attack. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother - a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe. This looked ridiculous at the time, but I wonder how Obama feels about this maddening comparison now. These people are a part of me. And they are a part of America, this country that I love. Some will see this as an attempt to justify or excuse comments that are simply inexcusable. I can assure you it is not. I suppose the politically safe thing would be to move on from this episode and just hope that it fades into the woodwork. We can dismiss Reverend Wright as a crank or a demagogue, just as some have dismissed Geraldine Ferraro, in the aftermath of her recent statements, as harboring some deep-seated racial bias. But race is an issue that I believe this nation cannot afford to ignore right now. We would be making the same mistake that Reverend Wright made in his offending sermons about America - to simplify and stereotype and amplify the negative to the point that it distorts reality. In light of events in the past 72 hours, a lot of this looks ridiculous now. Can we dismiss Reverend Wright as a crank or a demagogue? Yes we can, no irony intended. Those of us who were shocked and appalled by those first clips of Wright's sermons were right, and Barack Obama, and all of those who accused us of judging Wright unfairly, were wrong. UPDATE: Pollowitz notices on Obama's campaign site an invitation to 'Make a donation of $30 or more before midnight on Wednesday, April 30th, and receive a DVD and limited edition print of Barack's "A More Perfect Union" speech on race in America.'"

http://tinyurl.com/4naxet

[Edited on April 29, 2008 at 4:27 PM. Reason : .]

4/29/2008 4:16:20 PM

obama mostly criticized specifically what wright said yesterday and his labeling obama as politically maneuvering in his philly speech.

specifically he said that he felt earlier characterizations of wright were a caricature of the wright he knew, but that wright had caricatured himself in the q&a session with the press yesterday.

[Edited on April 29, 2008 at 4:32 PM. Reason : .]

4/29/2008 4:31:04 PM

This is truly amazing. From a well handled and perfect campaign to losing the nomination... Truly amazing.

4/29/2008 4:34:03 PM

losing the nomination?

4/29/2008 4:35:19 PM

sarijoul do you think obama distanced himself from wright since obama realized that middle america and all the dumb hicks that live there didnt appreciate obama's spiritual advisor's god damning of america?

4/29/2008 4:36:31 PM

It will undoubtedly happen now. Copy this. Save it somewhere. Paste it when I'm wrong. But you'll just be filling your hard drive with a few bytes of information that will never be used to feed me my crow.

4/29/2008 4:36:38 PM

pretty much. it's over for obama. if you don't see the writing on the wall yet, even after this thread, just wait till wright responds, and then obama responds again

repeat, rinse

4/29/2008 4:36:44 PM

I really hope he doesnt lose the nomination. He is too young to be done and will be very strong in 2012 if he doesnt win the nominatin this year.

Now if he loses the general, he is politically done for any pres run.

4/29/2008 4:37:05 PM

I'm not sure about Obama/Hillary's political viablility after this disastrous nomination. Democrats will be hesitant to repeat. That's why they're fighting so hard now. There is no tomorrow for them.

4/29/2008 4:38:55 PM

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"sarijoul do you think obama distanced himself from wright since obama realized that middle america and all the dumb hicks that live there didnt appreciate obama's spiritual advisor's god damning of america?"

no, i'm taking him at his word that he didn't agree with wright reinforcing statements that obama already said he disagreed with and then said that obama had been disingenuous is his previous denunciation.

and where did i ever imply that middle america was anything? i asked what that term refers to.

maybe if you keep repeating that i say blindly hateful things about groups of people, someone will believe it.

[Edited on April 29, 2008 at 4:40 PM. Reason : .]

4/29/2008 4:39:29 PM

Quote :

"i'm glad you speak for 'middle america.' what does that term even mean?"

sorryjewels

4/29/2008 4:40:13 PM

yep. just like i said

4/29/2008 4:40:54 PM

Quote :

"where did i ever imply that middle america was anything?"

exactly...its like you still arent aware of half the country's population

4/29/2008 4:41:07 PM

ugh. YOU GOT ME!!!

i'm literally asking what you mean by "middle america"

[Edited on April 29, 2008 at 4:42 PM. Reason : .]

4/29/2008 4:41:43 PM

hah.

4/29/2008 4:41:53 PM

either way it doesn't matter sillyjoules. if obama isn't able to see what kind of a person wright is during 20 years of friendship he is unfit to lead the nation and by no means fit to unite it after.

absolutely the worst judgement of any kind

4/29/2008 4:42:23 PM

He means the idiots in the middle. AKA, not from New York, DC, LA, SF

4/29/2008 4:42:27 PM

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"i'm literally asking what you mean by "middle america""

uh, the parts of the united states that arent on the coast? is this really some kind of new term to you???

4/29/2008 4:42:55 PM

middle america is those gun / religion clingers right?

4/29/2008 4:43:15 PM

^^well if that's what you mean, there aren't anywhere NEAR 150 million of those people.

4/29/2008 4:44:15 PM

There are, however, 200 million clingers.

4/29/2008 4:44:45 PM

MIDDLE AMERICA

Quote :

"The moderate, middle-class segment of the U.S. population that comprises the largest consumer group."

http://www.motto.com/glossary.html

For the ignorant.

4/29/2008 4:44:47 PM

haha

4/29/2008 4:45:27 PM

now i've gotten two different responses

OMG THE TERM ISN'T CLEAR I'M SO STUPID FOR ASKING A QUESTION!

4/29/2008 4:45:57 PM

Quote :

"Middle America (United States), a political reflection of those living in the interior of the continental United States by those living in its coastal areas; also, the American middle class, especially its traditional or conservative elements."

omg you're an idiot for never hearing that term in the first place

250,000,000 live on the coast!

4/29/2008 4:47:19 PM

if obama is a decent person he will step down immediately and support the democratic party and try to unite the country

not continue dividing it with this waste of judgement he so clearly lacks. you can only ignore the truth for so long. face up to it obama.

4/29/2008 4:47:34 PM

Funny, those same 2 got on me last week about giving 2 different answers to to questions

now these 2 are giving you 2 answers for the same exact questions

4/29/2008 4:47:39 PM

just step down obama. you're dividing the country. just take a look at it.

the only reason you threw wright under the bus today was b/c you finally saw the polls starting to drop for you

[Edited on April 29, 2008 at 4:50 PM. Reason : .]

4/29/2008 4:48:54 PM

terpball, last week sarijoul already agreed that the "2 questions" were asking the same thing

nice try though

hey wright is an awesome guy by the way! he's cool!

4/29/2008 4:49:16 PM

backpedal backpedal

and yes a vast majority of our population lives in coastal areas. lemme look up the numbers. i might be wrong about there not being 150 million in the interior states (but there certainly aren't anywhere near 150 million voters there -- regardless of how many people live where)

(oh yeah and 300 million - 150 million = 150 million, not 250 million)

[Edited on April 29, 2008 at 4:52 PM. Reason : .]

4/29/2008 4:51:16 PM

You people are fucking stupid. It's not two different answers.

Middle America means both a geographical area and a sociopolitical construct. I realize that this is quite a lot for your pea-sized brains to absorb, but try hard. It may give you a headache, though.

STFU.

[Edited on April 29, 2008 at 4:52 PM. Reason : .]

4/29/2008 4:51:26 PM

Calm black man rejected by whites because of association with angry black man, huh?

Wonderful.

That's the type of thing you'd expect from America.

4/29/2008 4:52:20 PM

^^i was asking what he meant by the term. and treated as being stupid for asking what he meant.

[Edited on April 29, 2008 at 4:53 PM. Reason : .]

4/29/2008 4:52:51 PM

Quote :

"You people are fucking stupid. It's not two different answers. "

lol

yeah right

stuipd argument though

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4/29/2008 4:52:58 PM

^^^OBAMAS NOT EVEN BLACK YOU IDIOT! LOL

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4/29/2008 4:53:26 PM

^^^^ Yes, let's hurry up and blame America, right? I mean, surely Obama and Wright can't be held accountable for their own statements, associations, and so on.

Yes, the victimhood status quo should continue. Hear, hear.

^^ You're fucking stupid if you think Middle America--yes, Middle America--is going to vote for a guy that has/has had a hate-filled Farrakhan supporter as a pastor. If you can't grasp this, you're out to lunch for real.

[Edited on April 29, 2008 at 5:00 PM. Reason : .]

4/29/2008 4:55:48 PM