You use a collection of tools to do this.

I use one.

11/13/2009 4:30:55 PM

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"i can list and describe in detail every ipod, itunes, zune, zune marketplace, pandora, and rhapsody feature i don't think the knowledge deficit is on my side of this conversation"

you regularly suck your own dick and swallow too...so whats your point?

^i use itunes to do everything you have been discussing.

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"ummm, why would you ever want more than one feature??? itunesZune does it this way which means its the only way you would ever want to do it. I cant even fathom doing it that way!!"

[Edited on November 13, 2009 at 4:33 PM. Reason : .]

11/13/2009 4:32:31 PM

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"again...what is so unique about this that I can't do else where?"

The fact that I'm not paying an additional cost to listen to the full version of any available song. If I really want to listen to the Wonder Years theme song and not buy it, I can do so in it's fully majestic glory without a bill being sent to me.

Do that on iTunes.

11/13/2009 4:33:55 PM

^^ you are unable to do simple math

i have discovered an endless source of blowjobs

i win

[Edited on November 13, 2009 at 4:34 PM. Reason : .]

11/13/2009 4:34:17 PM

^^I buy my music you rent yours...I use netflix you buy DVD's...is one more right than the other? no.

^where did simple math even come into this conversation, dumbass.

[Edited on November 13, 2009 at 4:35 PM. Reason : .]

11/13/2009 4:34:48 PM

Unless I'm mistakin, Genius will only Pandora-rize your library. iTunes store recommendations don't remotely compare to Smart DJ.

[Edited on November 13, 2009 at 4:35 PM. Reason : >.<]

11/13/2009 4:34:51 PM

Reading this 'argument' is like watching gloveco with a shovel at the bottom of a hole just digging down as hard as he can while everyone else is piling dirt on top of him.

11/13/2009 4:35:30 PM

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"Unless I'm mistakin, Genius will only Pandora-rize your library. iTunes store recommendations don't remotely compare to Smart DJ."

ok, if you say so.

^yup..and I'll be having the last laugh when I've struck oil.

[Edited on November 13, 2009 at 4:36 PM. Reason : .]

11/13/2009 4:35:54 PM

^^^yea not only that but genius is pretty garbage from the examples i've seen

[Edited on November 13, 2009 at 4:36 PM. Reason : a]

11/13/2009 4:36:00 PM

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"i use itunes to do everything you have been discussing."

no, you don't

example:

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"If I really want to listen to the Wonder Years theme song and not buy it, I can do so in it's fully majestic glory without a bill being sent to me"

also,

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"where did simple math even come into this conversation, dumbass."

simple math entered the conversation when you demonstrated your inability to compare the cost of a cd to the monthly subscription fee for marketplace

[Edited on November 13, 2009 at 4:38 PM. Reason : .]

11/13/2009 4:36:06 PM

^lol...really? I can BUY the song if i wanted to...so again...point? I can also find related music in my own library to listen to and have iTunes build me a new playlist...OR I can have genius recommend other songs I like to buy based off of that song.

[Edited on November 13, 2009 at 4:38 PM. Reason : .]

11/13/2009 4:37:19 PM

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"i use itunes to do everything you have been discussing"

no, you don't

"buy" and "not buy" are, in fact, opposites

[Edited on November 13, 2009 at 4:39 PM. Reason : .]

11/13/2009 4:38:41 PM

I actually had a laugh at the meta irony of downloading the Airwolf theme from Zune to use as my ringtone on my iPhone and actually getting the damn thing to use a ringtone without paying a 1$ stupid tax was more work then acquiring it for free in the first place.

11/13/2009 4:39:06 PM

Again, the point is that I don't need to buy the song to listen to it. With iTunes, you do.

I don't need to own the song. It's not worth $0.99 to me.

11/13/2009 4:39:53 PM

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"no, you don't "buy" and "not buy" are, in fact, opposites"

I'm going to go ahead and put you on mute from now on until you're all caught up on what we're discussing here. Until then, let the grown ups talk....k?

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"Again, the point is that I don't need to buy the song to listen to it. With iTunes, you do. I don't need to own the song. It's not worth $0.99 to me."

and what have we learned? Whats worth $.99 to one person isn't worth it to another...to each his own.

[Edited on November 13, 2009 at 4:41 PM. Reason : .]

11/13/2009 4:40:41 PM

^^ do that 5 times a month and use your 10 song credits each month and you've broken even with itunes

[Edited on November 13, 2009 at 4:41 PM. Reason : d]

11/13/2009 4:41:08 PM

do you have to be a zune subscriber to purchase songs iTunes style?

11/13/2009 4:42:02 PM

no, with the zune you don't have to have a subscription to buy individual songs (you can absolutely rock it itunes style if you want)

[Edited on November 13, 2009 at 4:43 PM. Reason : .]

11/13/2009 4:42:15 PM

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"I actually had a laugh at the meta irony of downloading the Airwolf theme from Zune to use as my ringtone on my iPhone and actually getting the damn thing to use a ringtone without paying a 1$ stupid tax was more work then acquiring it for free in the first place."

why do you even own an iPhone? I don't quite understand that...

11/13/2009 4:42:15 PM

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"I'm going to go ahead and put you on mute from now on until you're all caught up on what we're discussing here. Until then, let the grown ups talk....k?"

I literally burst out in laughter when I read that.

You really have no idea how absolutely stupid you are making yourself look with every single post you make?

Amazing.

11/13/2009 4:42:40 PM

Renting is a misnomer. I'm not going to cancel my Zune subscription, so from my reference point I own everything I download as I have unlimited access to it.

With iTunes, I'd have to cough up my lunch money when I got a 3am urge to download Japanese synth pop.

11/13/2009 4:43:06 PM

so basically both zune MP and iTunes allow you to buy music a song at a time

and zune MP gives you an option to join their club and have unlimited access to their entire catalogue for a flat rate.

at this point it just seems like a natural evolution of service.

11/13/2009 4:43:36 PM

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"I literally burst out in laughter when I read that. You really have no idea how absolutely stupid you are making yourself look with every single post you make? Amazing. "

You have no idea how much I value your opinion.

11/13/2009 4:44:36 PM

^^ i think Apple will eventually jump on the bandwagon, it just makes sense

[Edited on November 13, 2009 at 4:44 PM. Reason : .]

11/13/2009 4:44:41 PM

You guys are knocking buying music which is just dumb.

11/13/2009 4:45:35 PM

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"You guys are knocking buying music which is just dumb."

fixed

11/13/2009 4:47:02 PM

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"and what have we learned? Whats worth $.99 to one person isn't worth it to another...to each his own."

That doesn't change the fact that I just pointed out something you absolutely, positively cannot do with iTunes.

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"You guys are knocking buying music which is just dumb."

Everyone still has the ability to buy music. Lokken pretty much summed it up perfectly.

11/13/2009 4:47:19 PM

Which I love doing for movies but not when it comes to music. I don't want an additional $15/month on top of my netflix because even with netflix i'm not getting my money's worth since I've had the same 3 blu-ray discs sitting at home for 6 months.

Now there is nothing wrong with other people renting their music...suits me just fine. Like i've been saying all along...what works for one person doesn't necessarily work for everyone else.

[Edited on November 13, 2009 at 4:49 PM. Reason : .]

11/13/2009 4:48:55 PM

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"You guys are knocking buying music which is just dumb."

i am not knocking buying music

i have bought music from itunes, amazon.com, walmart.com, and zune mp

i will continue to do so

11/13/2009 4:48:58 PM

Wait up here.

You have an XM Subscription?

You are now paying for a subscription music service AND to download. You are paying more than just having Zune Pass, with less flexibility. AHAHAHAHAHAH.


ZunePass is the equivalent of NetFlix+BestBuy. You get unlimited rentals, and at any time you can buy the content TOO. AND you get 10 free pieces of content a month regardless. Imagine if Netflix let you keep a movie permanently every month.

I love how you say you're not intimidated by buying your music, but you neglect to mention that you already have a paid music subscription service.

11/13/2009 4:56:45 PM

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"You are now paying for a subscription music service AND to download. You are paying more than just having Zune Pass, with less flexibility. AHAHAHAHAHAH."

I've had XM for a while and been meaning to cancel...I think I'll just activate the zune pass and use my in-car 3g capabilities for it.

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"I love how you say you're not intimidated by buying your music, but you neglect to mention that you already have a paid music subscription service."

the problem with jumping in mid-discussion is that you have no clue what the fuck is going on.

Ok, so lets say I WANT to use Zune Marketplace...where can I download the mac install?

[Edited on November 13, 2009 at 5:00 PM. Reason : .]

11/13/2009 4:57:37 PM

I read the entire missed portion of the thread, dawg

I actually loved XM for the content the brief period I had it (my car has no external antenna so reception sucked), but if you have it, your better off with the Zune pass in every way. If you have mobile 3G wifi, then it's not even a debate

Give the model a chance, there's free trials for ZunePass all over the place, and see if you don't change your tune (no pun intended haha)

11/13/2009 5:00:40 PM

You boot your Mac into Windows 7, which I know you have.

11/13/2009 5:02:10 PM

yeah but you missed the point that I never said Zune sucks. I said purchasing music works for me regardless of who I purchase it through...and I so happen to like iTunes...been using it for years. Am I opposed to trying something else, no...I attempted to give Zune a shot back in the day but it wasn't supported so I returned it (Windows Vista). I would try again but its not supported in this OS either...and my bootcamp partition is only 40gb since I rarely use windows except for the occasional game or for testing.

Plus if i did use Zune Pass I'd want to transfer the music from Zune to iTunes simply to get it on the iPhone...

[Edited on November 13, 2009 at 5:05 PM. Reason : .]

11/13/2009 5:04:05 PM

Lack of Mac support is a pretty big black eye for Zune IMO.

Hope for the future!

http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/10/microsoft-mulling-bringing-zune-services-to-macmaybe.ars

11/13/2009 5:06:33 PM

I'll never own a Zune device unless they make a Zune phone and its better than the iPhone...but if the xbox integration is as cool as it sounds I was going to give it a shot anyway. I need to have more of a reason to use it then it will play on my PC (which it won't without parallels or bootcamp)...and having it stream to the xbox is something I'm looking forward to.

11/13/2009 5:08:32 PM

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"Plus if i did use Zune Pass I'd want to transfer the music from Zune to iTunes simply to get it on the iPhone... "

You mean the other way around. Transfer your iTunes library into the Zune software, then download Orb on the iPhone, and profit.

http://www.gearlive.com/news/article/q309-stream-zune-tracks-to-iphone

11/13/2009 5:42:04 PM

^not really, no. I would continue to use iTunes to purchase music/video. Zune Pass would primarily be a Pandora type replacement and to use on the Xbox.

11/13/2009 5:54:54 PM

DRM Free MP3's are cheaper to buy from the Zune Marketplace (98 cents), so why would you continue purchasing through iTunes?

You can always Sync your mp3's to your iPhone, but it's a hell of a lot better purchasing and management experience through the Zune software.

11/13/2009 6:19:11 PM

$0.99/song u mean.

and because it must work natively in Mac OS X where my library is because its what I use 99% of the time.

[Edited on November 13, 2009 at 6:26 PM. Reason : .]

11/13/2009 6:24:53 PM

technically it's $.9875 per song because of the whole credits/dollars ratio. As soon as the Live and Zune marketplaces merge, it'll actually be possible to get music cheaper because they run deals on Microsoft Points pretty often.

Hey, if you want to spend 33% more per song on a less capable management platform, instead of just running a VM in the background, be my guest

[Edited on November 13, 2009 at 6:28 PM. Reason : ]

11/13/2009 6:27:30 PM

I have Zune up and running and it says $0.99...I didn't see any mention of points except when i was looking at videos

11/13/2009 6:28:11 PM

How to tell when you've ran out of shit to argue about: When you start nitpicking over 1/4 of a cent.

11/13/2009 6:32:12 PM

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"I have Zune up and running and it says $0.99...I didn't see any mention of points except when i was looking at videos"

Actually it's 99 credits now, which comes out to $1.23 if you just straight up buy Microsoft Points. (Also, looks like they have finally synced the Points between Xbox Live and Zune Marketplaces)

Or, you can go to this page and pay 25% less, and get another 14% cashback. Which makes songs net out to 82 cents each.

Gotta love not being locked into a single payer model

11/13/2009 6:43:44 PM

^^I enjoy your play by play commentating. Would read again A++++++

So as the current Zune Marketplace stands...these HD TV shows and movies...are they streamed in 720p or is it the instant on 1080p through the desktop client? I know the 1080p is coming to xbox next week but wasn't sure if it already existed for the desktop client.

11/14/2009 1:30:43 PM

Just got a 16GB as a Christmas present. It was the last one Best Buy by Southpoint had in stock for the day. Snazzy interface. I'll give a review after I use it several times but it definitely earned cool points when I connected to the marketplace via my house wifi and started downloading albums after tying my zune to my ZunePass ID.

Microsoft would be batshit insane not to put a radio transceiver on this thing and make it a cellphone.

11/27/2009 11:12:18 PM

Its not even december yet lol

11/28/2009 12:19:38 AM

I'm not even sure he's a Christian

Strange things are afoot here...

11/28/2009 12:27:28 AM

I WILL BE OUT OF THE COUNTRY IN A PLACE THAT DOESNT CELEBRATE IT OK.

DAMN YOU ALL.

11/28/2009 12:38:20 AM

So, I'd really like to get one of these still.

But where the hell are the apps?!

12/28/2009 2:18:05 AM