^my point exactly...that is your perspective. Now think about the other guy and how you'd feel in their shoes?

Your 10,000 are more dangerous to the world around you then their 1.

[Edited on December 17, 2009 at 2:39 PM. Reason : a]

12/17/2009 2:39:04 PM

so because of the other guy, we should allow them to develop the weapons? when an Iran-manufactured nuclear device is detonated in a population center and tens of thousands are killed, are you going say to yourself, "at least the guy in Iran felt safe" or "at the least the US wasnt hypocritical about letting others have an a-bomb"

dont let your idealism get in the way of this real life scenario.

12/17/2009 2:55:22 PM

Quote :

"dont let your idealism get in the way of this real life scenario."

don't let your government and media profit on your ignorance, friend.

12/17/2009 3:14:53 PM

LOL

if Iran acquires the bomb sometime in the future (seems likely at this point), I really hope I am wrong and Ajmenasshole is truly a benevolent and peace-loving atomic jihadist.

however, I am glad our President does not share your viewpoint. I hope he keeps his spine on this issue.

12/17/2009 3:57:21 PM

If we would just go ahead and get rid of our entire arsenal then we could take the lead on non proliferation without being obvious hypocrits. Until then, this whole discussion is a joke.

12/17/2009 3:59:10 PM

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"if Iran acquires the bomb sometime in the future (seems likely at this point), I really hope I am wrong and Ajmenasshole is truly a benevolent and peace-loving atomic jihadist. "

I'm glad the president is all knowing...imagine the real pickle we'd be in if he wasn't. For a minute there I thought the United States just spun a globe and stuck the presidents finger on it to stop it. Whatever nation his finger was on becomes the next enemy that we all must fear.

12/17/2009 4:02:52 PM

getting rid of the entire arsenal wont happen...not without others doing so as well, which isnt going to happen. that isnt reality. the chinese or the russians arent going to believe us if we said we ditched the nukes, and I wager we wouldnt (and shouldnt) believe them if they said they did.

what is reality is to stop worrying about something intangible like being "hypocritical" and keep the world's atomic countries from growing (tangible).

12/17/2009 4:06:24 PM

ok Golovko. we get it. US = bad. everyone else = good. you can giiiiiiiiiiit out.

12/17/2009 4:08:47 PM

^you obviously don't get it, try again.

Quote :

"getting rid of the entire arsenal wont happen...not without others doing so as well, which isnt going to happen. that isnt reality. the chinese or the russians arent going to believe us if we said we ditched the nukes, and I wager we wouldnt (and shouldnt) believe them if they said they did. "

true.

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" what is reality is to stop worrying about something intangible like being "hypocritical" and keep the world's atomic countries from growing (tangible)."

lol.

[Edited on December 17, 2009 at 4:10 PM. Reason : .]

12/17/2009 4:09:35 PM

ok. you can be the czar of unhypocriticalness, I will handle the real shit that matters...like not allowing crazy folk to obtain nuclear weapons. deal?

12/17/2009 4:21:57 PM

no deal, because that means the crazy folk HAVE weapons already.

12/17/2009 4:30:45 PM

They hacked Twitter. That should be enough to make the bombs start dropping.

12/18/2009 8:45:21 AM

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,580560,00.html?test=latestnews

those peace-loving Iranians at it again!

Iranians reportedly launch attacks into disputed Iraqi oil area

12/18/2009 10:21:13 AM

lol...do any of you actually read the links you post?

12/18/2009 11:58:10 AM

DaBird doesn't know how to read, i'm pretty sure.

12/18/2009 12:20:39 PM

the story changed after I posted the link. it was a breaking story.

the premise remains. Iran is peace loving.

12/18/2009 2:33:18 PM

Iran is the scariest country other than maybe South Korea.

2 cents

12/18/2009 6:11:13 PM

Top US officer: Force must be option for Iran
(AP) – 1 day ago

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"WASHINGTON — Military force would have only limited effect in stopping Iran from developing nuclear weapons but must remain an option, the head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff said Monday. Tehran shows no signs of backing down in the standoff over what the United States and other countries say is its drive for a nuclear bomb, Adm. Mike Mullen, the top U.S. military officer, told his staff in an annual assessment of the nation's risks and priorities."

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"'Most critically, Iran's internal unrest, unpredictable leadership and sponsorship of terrorism make it a regional and global concern,' heightened by what Mullen called 'its determined pursuit of nuclear weapons.' Mullen and other military leaders have suggested that if Iran was determined to build a weapon, an attack would probably fail to completely stop that effort. Mullen has tried to dissuade Israel from launching its own attack on Iran, whose leaders have called for Israel's destruction. Mullen's annual review says nothing about what kind of military force he wants at hand, but any attack would presumably be done by air. President Barack Obama has set a rough deadline of the end of this year for Iran to respond to an offer of dialogue and to show that it will allay fears of weapons development. The Obama administration is working with allies to ready a new set of international economic sanctions on Iran for repeatedly defying international demands to halt questionable activities and come clean about the nature and extent of the program."

http://tinyurl.com/y9ssxlr

So, are Obama and his top commander "warmongers"?

12/23/2009 3:33:41 AM

must be. war-mongering hypocrites.

12/23/2009 8:35:21 AM

the only hope for Iran is from within from the opposition. they have to continue to get bigger and garner more support from influential people including high-ranking clerics. change has to come from within for them; no amount of military force will deter Ahmadinnerjacket.

12/23/2009 8:55:53 AM

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"Iran is peace loving."

The citizens are. The problem here is the government of Iran. Of course, if we do what hooksaw wants, we'll end up killing about a million innocent Iranians in the process. Now, they'll say that we can hit strategic points and minimize casualties. If that were actually the case, and I was certain that was all we were going to do, then maybe I wouldn't have as much of a problem with taking action against Iran. But that's never the case with the United States. Once we invade or bomb a country, we try to take the whole thing over, build bases there, and never leave. That's what I don't want to happen. We can't afford to continue our current military operations, and we definitely can't afford to start new ones.

12/23/2009 9:16:58 AM

Yeah. All those US military installations in Bosnia sure are an indictment of that.

[Edited on December 23, 2009 at 10:03 AM. Reason : *]

12/23/2009 10:03:10 AM

correct me if i am wrong but was not the bombing of Bosnia done by NATO?

12/23/2009 10:14:35 AM

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"The citizens are. The problem here is the government of Iran. Of course, if we do what hooksaw wants, we'll end up killing about a million innocent Iranians in the process. Now, they'll say that we can hit strategic points and minimize casualties. If that were actually the case, and I was certain that was all we were going to do, then maybe I wouldn't have as much of a problem with taking action against Iran. But that's never the case with the United States. Once we invade or bomb a country, we try to take the whole thing over, build bases there, and never leave. That's what I don't want to happen. We can't afford to continue our current military operations, and we definitely can't afford to start new ones."

I agree. Leadership is the problem.

12/23/2009 11:35:19 AM

Osama bin Laden's daughter Eman hiding in Saudi embassy in Iran
December 23rd 2009

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"CAIRO — A daughter of al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden has taken refuge in the Saudi Embassy in Tehran after eluding guards who have held her and five brothers under house arrest for eight years, a Saudi-owned newspaper reported Wednesday. It has long been believed that Iran has held in custody a number of bin Laden's children since they fled Afghanistan following the U.S.-led invasion of that country in 2001 — most notably Saad and Hamza bin Laden, who are thought to have held positions in al-Qaida."

http://tinyurl.com/yhp9llc

12/24/2009 1:56:06 AM

Is she guilty of anything?

12/24/2009 9:00:23 AM

Quote :

"who are thought to have held positions in al-Qaida"

12/24/2009 12:26:46 PM

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"An Iranian national security official has called for demonstrators to be arrested following deadly weekend anti-government protests in Tehran. Soon afterward, an opposition Web site reported a wave of arrests. "The undignified and disruptive behavior of the rioters is no longer tolerable for our people, since they have brought undignified behaviors to new heights by offending sanctities and values held dear in Islam and Iran," Naghavi Hosseini, a member of the Parliamentary National Security and Foreign Policy Commission, told state-run IRNA. "The Nation's Judiciary must swiftly arrest the rioters who committed those crimes." An opposition Web site, NoroozNews, said government officials took several activists into custody Monday, including some close advisors to opposition leader and former presidential candidate Mir Hossein Mousavi. The government did not immediately respond to the report."

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/12/28/iran.protests/index.html

12/28/2009 10:11:28 AM

^ Last I heard, about a dozen protestors were shot to death.

12/28/2009 10:22:39 AM

Iran's Ahmadinejad dismisses West's year-end deadline
TEHRAN (Reuters) - President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Tuesday dismissed the West's year-end deadline for Iran to accept an enrichment fuel deal aimed at calming international fears about its nuclear program.
Tue Dec 22, 2009

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5BL0J420091222

12/31/2009 8:48:20 AM

hahahahah if i posted one of the millions of cartoons out there similar to the one above, but showing israelis/jews killing palestinians/muslims, the first thing out of the mouth of half the users would be

ANTI-SEMITIC

12/31/2009 4:36:14 PM

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"Mousavi 'ready to die' for reform Iranian opposition leader Mir Hossein Mousavi has said he is not afraid to die for the cause of reform. It was his first comment since the death of his nephew and other anti-government protesters late last month."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8436919.stm

Things are set to hit the fan in Iran that are far deeper than the right’s pointless petty attacks against Obama being demonstrated in this thread.

1/1/2010 4:45:40 AM

At what point do the protesters turn violent?

1/1/2010 11:20:43 PM

where's my Bomb Somalia thread

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/africa/01/02/somalia.hijacking/index.html

Christ that "nation" has nothing to offer its citizens, or the world at large.

1/2/2010 7:19:27 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRwUZ-u6KFo

1/2/2010 11:33:20 PM

With the amount of US soldiers we lost because of Iranian insurgents, guidance, training, and explosively formed penetrators, I hope to god all this is a direct result of our efforts.

That regime does the world no good. Not even its own people prosper because of their existence.

1/3/2010 9:30:39 PM

http://mikverbrugge.tumblr.com/

No idea if this has any validity

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"We, a number of Officers, Soldiers and personnel of the Armed Forces of the Islamic Republic of Iran, hereby declare our readiness for rise to the armed defense of our nation against the forces of the criminal, illegitimate, transgressing and occupying current Government of Iran, and hereby inform our brothers and sisters serving with the armed security forces of Iran, invite them to join us, request their support and ask them to provide cover for us in this moral & national act. A special request for support & cooperation goes to our brothers of the Military Police."

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"AN SNSC MEETING TOOK PLACE EARLY MONDAY MORNING. Reported to me by an insider, Tuesday December 29th. An SNSC Meeting took place early Monday morning. Artesh commanders of Tehran, Karaj & Qazvin units met prior to it. AN & SL’s representative at Sepah are trying to convince SNSC to arrest all heads of green & activists. It created big discussions at SNSC meeting. Most objections & concerns were expressed against arresting Khatami, as it could bring about an international outcry. The notability of this meeting wasn’t the fact that Sepah & SL’s representative were asking for carte-blanche again (they do all the time.) It was the fact that all members fully understood that for the 1st time, regime as a whole is at immediate danger of imploding by defections if the situation isn’t ended right away. Joint Forces Command is worried revolts in garrisons could happen at any time. What shocks them is how fast things are spiraling into chaos,cos masses r revolting not protesting elections or asking for reforms. It wasn’t so much situation in Tehran that worried them but across the country. They would be able to contain Tehran as long as rest of country is quiet. Insider : Most of SNSC are SL’s cronies. They lean towards “saving the regime” but they don’t have any longterm solutions. They just think of hammering protests at any cost."

[Edited on January 3, 2010 at 10:08 PM. Reason : interesting]

1/3/2010 10:07:08 PM

we lost soldiers because of iranian insurgents? you mean hostage crisis?

1/3/2010 10:18:06 PM

You have got to be kidding me.

You are joking. That is a joke.

I will treat it as such.

1/3/2010 10:18:57 PM

Iranian organizations have surely backed insurgents providing them with drone hacking software but to my knowledge, there hasen't been "iranian insurgents killing us troops" and definitely no state manufactured insurgents

1/3/2010 10:22:34 PM

You are cute.

1/3/2010 10:29:44 PM

That is the more recent stuff.....but um....not nearly as relevant.

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/WTARC/2008/me_iran_03_02.asp

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"BAGHDAD — The U.S.-led coalition has captured a senior Iranian operative who helped finance and equip Shi'ite militias."

http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2007/11/iranian-backed-kid.php

http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2007/12/iraq_11_iranian_spec.php
Click on the pic halfway down.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/1022/p06s01-wome.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/02/11/iraq/main2458318.shtml

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htweap/20080808.aspx

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/12/world/africa/12iht-web.0212weapons.4560527.html

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/147918/iran_sent_efp_bombs_to_iraqi_militants.html

http://www.cjr.org/behind_the_news/get_the_facts_straight_on_iran.php

etc,etc,etc. Search google for Iran RFP

I mean, this was all in 06,07, and 08. But you get my point.

1/3/2010 10:51:50 PM

impressive, proof the bush administration had been running elaborate propaganda campaigns well ahead of invasion this time. hense the

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"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRwUZ-u6KFo"

1/3/2010 10:58:26 PM

History repeats itself...lol

1/3/2010 11:14:29 PM

Yes, the invasion the Bush administration planned on doing in 2010.

And there isnt a single person in power advocating to invade Iran.

1/4/2010 7:08:59 PM

http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/blogs/politicalticker/2007/04/mccain-sings-bomb-bomb-iran.html

1/4/2010 8:30:10 PM

bomb /= invasion

1/4/2010 8:34:13 PM

the accompanied bombing is usually the worst part of an invasion.

1/4/2010 8:48:28 PM

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"Yes, the invasion the Bush administration planned on doing in 2010. And there isnt a single person in power advocating to invade Iran."

That was not the history I was referring to.

1/5/2010 3:25:20 PM

Iran shields nuclear efforts in maze of tunnels
Tehran says veiled bombing threats forced country to put sites underground
updated 1 hour, 41 minutes ago

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"Last September, when Iran’s uranium enrichment plant buried inside a mountain near the holy city of Qum was revealed, the episode cast light on a wider pattern: Over the past decade, Iran has quietly hidden an increasingly large part of its atomic complex in networks of tunnels and bunkers across the country. In doing so, American government and private experts say, Iran has achieved a double purpose. Not only has it shielded its infrastructure from military attack in warrens of dense rock, but it has further obscured the scale and nature of its notoriously opaque nuclear effort. The discovery of the Qum plant only heightened fears about other undeclared sites. Now, with the passing of President Obama’s year-end deadline for diplomatic progress, that cloak of invisibility has emerged as something of a stealth weapon, complicating the West’s military and geopolitical calculus."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34721534/ns/world_news-the_new_york_times

1/6/2010 7:20:58 AM