I don't know about you, but finishing bottom 3 in the conference 4 years in a row should qualify as a good reason.

1/10/2010 2:55:26 PM

so lee fowler, who would you want as our next coach?

1/10/2010 2:57:57 PM

he wants herb sendek

1/10/2010 2:59:17 PM

^No not really. But he is way better than what we have.

^^You really think we can't get someone better? As long as Fowler is gone, we could easily get a coach. UVA got Bennett from Washington State and they were lower on the totem pole than us.

1/10/2010 3:00:50 PM

i'm not satisfied with the job sid has done, but i think you cant risk losing the best class state has had in at least 5-6 years.

let me stress to you that i'm not satisfied, because if i dont you will just assume that i feel sid cant do wrong

[Edited on January 10, 2010 at 3:04 PM. Reason : .]

1/10/2010 3:03:32 PM

Least you can admit it. A lot of these guys will never admit that Lowe sucks. I think they would defend him if we lost to NC Central. If he can't go 8-8 in ACC play next year he better be gone.

1/10/2010 3:07:18 PM

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"we better have a damn good reason if we get rid of a coach"

Okay are you really this dumb? Are we talking about the same team? You are talking about NC State team right?

Is sucking ass a damn good reason or is that not good enough? Does Lowe have to commit a homicide? Is that a "damn good reason" to get rid of a coach?

1/10/2010 3:07:25 PM

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"I am guessing you weren't at games when Sendek was introduced and the fans booed or weren't around when fans were harassing his family? And given how the rest of the nation looks at NCSU fans right now we better have a damn good reason if we get rid of a coach because the media STILL gives us shit about Sendek now."

Sendek knew that the possibility of other kids giving his kids shit at school was very likely long before he ever came to NC State. It's part of the job. I'm sure that everyone on TWW, regardless of how tuff you are, caught shit from someone at school. Some people ignore it, some people complain to the principal, some people use their fists, and a small number turn it into Columbine.

So his kids got some shit talked to them at school - that's life. You think any unc/duke fans in jail said shit to Sidney's son? Without a doubt. This is a dumbass thing to keep bringing up, and if it all took to get Sendek out of town was a few comments to his kids by the offspring of some non-alum carolina/duke fans then it's a damn good thing that he is no longer the coach at NC State.

The media won't give us anymore shit than they already do, so who cares? The only thing we'll have to deal with is the occasional black journalist saying we fired Sidney because he's black.

1/10/2010 3:10:16 PM

His argument is ridiculous. Keep a coach who continuously makes NC State an embarrassment to the nation and the laughing stock of the ACC and not get rid of him because the media might make us look bad for firing him? Get the fuck out of here. I'm not sure he even knows what he's arguing.

[Edited on January 10, 2010 at 3:25 PM. Reason : []

1/10/2010 3:24:38 PM

I've moved my Sidney Lowe credibility chatter to the appropriate thread maybe you should too Don of the Butthole.

[Edited on January 10, 2010 at 3:31 PM. Reason : adfadf]

1/10/2010 3:27:13 PM

1/10/2010 3:27:45 PM

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"Don of the Butthole"

hahaha, so stupid haha

1/10/2010 3:30:15 PM

^^who is that guy to the right of Harris

1/10/2010 3:33:59 PM

Oliver Purnell

1/10/2010 3:36:51 PM

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"So his kids got some shit talked to them at school - that's life. You think any unc/duke fans in jail said shit to Sidney's son? Without a doubt"

Yeah, just the same thing. A dude in jail catching shit is exactly the same as a bunch of children talking shit that they heard their redneck parents cry about to a 1st grader over basketball...

[Edited on January 10, 2010 at 3:37 PM. Reason : x]

1/10/2010 3:37:39 PM

That's Larry Harris in the pic. And yes the Don of the Butthole was pretty stupid...

1/10/2010 3:40:28 PM

clearly the status of NC State's basketball program is 100% Lowe's fault

He has his share of the blame but I have a hard time believing under the circumstances that many coaches that we could have obtained would be doing leaps and bounds better

1/10/2010 5:59:02 PM

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"You're not scared that these recruits change their mind ALA CJ Leslie because we completely suck ass? Because I am. These guys are gonna question why they are committing to a 3-13 ACC team."

The 2 I want to see most are fucking signed, they can't change their minds.

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"Least you can admit it. A lot of these guys will never admit that Lowe sucks. "

I don't know why you keep wanting people to admit that he sucks. you can be dissatisfied with the job he has done and the state of NC State basketball without saying he sucks.

Look man, I get it, you think this whole circumstance surrounding our program is his fault, and nobody elses, so he should be fired. I think we suck cock. I'm not wanting to watch us play anymore. I just don't think its all on Lowe. Call it what you want, be delusional about the programs status he took over, but this ain't all on him. Could he have done better? I think so. All I know is that we're going to be worse off for a lot longer if we fire him this year rather than waiting. I've said for over a year now that if he's not in the top half of the league and in the NCAA tournament by the end of his 5th year, then its time to re-evaluate and move another direction. I think thats all people want at this point. We know we suck. We know Lowe isn't doing a good job, whether he's good in game or not (i'm thinking he's not doing a good job managing these guys mentally).

Let it play out. This program will be done for good if we fire him and end up with another coaching search like the last one. Nobody will coach here. Hell, they might not coach here even if we wait. I think its worth the risk to keep him another year. Thats all dude, so stop acting like we are nuts for thinking we should keep him.

1/10/2010 7:19:18 PM

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"Look man, I get it, you think this whole circumstance surrounding our program is his fault, and nobody elses, so he should be fired."

No actually its Lee Fowler, our fans, and Sidney Lowe pretty much in that order.

My priority has always been to get rid of the 2 of those 3 we can.

[Edited on January 10, 2010 at 7:33 PM. Reason : can't remove our fans even though I wish we could]

1/10/2010 7:27:01 PM

Ok I agree with Fowler, but honestly (serious question) what good can come from firing Lowe after this season besides satisfying you? Anything you say must outweigh losing the best 2 guards we've brought into the program out of high school since the corch and monroe? (and don't act like I said they would end up being better, they're clearly the best high school players we've seen since then to sign with State)

1/10/2010 7:29:59 PM

We get a good coach? Who's to say the new coach couldn't keep Brown and Harrow? Brown probably won't ever make it here anyway with some NCSU shit. I hate that we "have" to keep a shitty coach just because of a good duo coming in.

1/10/2010 7:37:18 PM

Name a coach first. We struck out like 9 times during our last search.


Plus, unless you hire Phil Jackson, you're probably looking at a no-name, thus not keeping the recruits. And I'm suggesting that Lowe won't suck with guards who can make a play at his disposal.

1/10/2010 7:40:34 PM

why is this discussion going on in here?

1/10/2010 7:41:19 PM

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"can't remove our fans even though I wish we could"

1/10/2010 7:46:04 PM

Look who was doing the search....I don't want Lowe fired unless Fowler is gone. I've repeatedly said that.

1/10/2010 7:53:37 PM

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"well amongst all this bickering i hope everyone can agree on two things... 1) do not fire sidney until next year's class gets here "

werent you people saying this about this years freshman class like 2 years ago?

1/10/2010 9:13:29 PM

OMG we lost to UVA and are 0-2 in the ACC! Fire Lowe immediately!

1/10/2010 10:18:21 PM

^^ the star of this year's class isn't coming in til next year

1/10/2010 10:19:25 PM