At what point does this thread drop into limbo? Is 9 pages deep enough?

How will we know? Has this thread already devolved into unconstructed dreaming?

8/5/2010 4:51:45 PM

we need to go deeper

8/5/2010 4:53:23 PM

no need, i already solved it

8/5/2010 5:00:21 PM

I'm just hanging out here until my kick.

8/5/2010 5:08:17 PM

I think the issue of missing the kids while in limbo shows some flaws in the storytelling. I loved this movie, but it wasn't perfect. The interviews show that Nolan just had to put a tearjerking moment in there, but it could have been better.

8/5/2010 7:12:21 PM

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"we need to go deeper"

that made me laugh

8/5/2010 7:24:46 PM

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"ok i've figured it out, Mal has cancer and is dying Cobb enters her dream to spend more time with her, they go to deeper levels so they can spend as much time together as possible That is why Mal always says "you said we'd grow old together", shes mad cause she will not live to be old That is why he's so upset when she kills herself to go to reality Fisher's story is similar to cobb's Fisher has someone he loves who is dying in a hospital They delve into fisher's mind to perform an inception, just as they do on cobb how do i know mal has cancer? thats insider information"

i dont think y'all fools realize that i really did solve it
Nolan was working on a story years ago where some guy goes into the dreams of his wife who has cancer
that is probably the backstory for this movie

8/5/2010 7:29:41 PM

making up shit to make a movie make sense is fun.

[Edited on August 5, 2010 at 7:36 PM. Reason : TO MAKE A MOVIE MAKES SENSE]

8/5/2010 7:32:18 PM

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"I think the issue of missing the kids while in limbo shows some flaws in the storytelling."

That's one of Nolan's flaws.

I felt the same way after the Dark Knight when I kept wondering "How did the joker know that Batman/the police/the mobsters would ________?"

8/5/2010 7:32:46 PM

Enjoy ...
http://disneycomics.free.fr/Ducks/Rosa/show.php?num=1&loc=D2002-033&s=date

8/5/2010 7:38:33 PM

for those of you who haven't seen that on a dozen other websites and don't want to read the comic without knowing why it's posted; A lot of people are claiming the story came from a scrooge mcduck comic that was written in 2002. And some say the idea for inception was actually pitched to studios before that... blah blah blah.

In the comic, the beagle brothers or whatever go into a shared dream with Scrooge to try to steal the combination to his safe.

8/5/2010 8:04:31 PM

so without reading any of the thread...what kind of #/10 ratings would some of you give this movie

trying to see if its worth a download trip to the theater

8/5/2010 8:19:41 PM

it's definitely a movie theater movie.

8/5/2010 8:27:30 PM

definitely worth a trip to the theater.

8/5/2010 9:10:31 PM

^^its in your best occupational and financial interest to say that...however CalledToArms is less biased, so I'll assume it is indeed a good flick

8/5/2010 9:12:40 PM

no it isn't, do you think floor staff are paid any different when 150 people or 2 people go to see a movie?

moviegoers don't tip ushers.

please do stay home and watch it on your 17 inch screen so i don't have to deal with you bitching about our food prices.

[Edited on August 5, 2010 at 9:17 PM. Reason : .]

8/5/2010 9:16:54 PM

this movie is awesome on the big screen. Along with the score its an epic experience.

8/5/2010 9:54:14 PM

lafta please go away

your theories are terrible. Why would the director/writer base the entire movie on something that they never suggest once throughout the entire story? If Mal had cancer and Cobb was in her dreams so they could spend more time together, dont you think they would at least MENTION the word cancer at some point during the movie, let alone make it clear why Cobb's intentions were? Of course you dont, because you are not capable of having fully-developed thoughts.

I have heard a lot of theories about this movie, and I think almost all of them are the manifestations of people thinking way too hard about the plot and ending of the movie, but your theory just sounds like something you completely pulled out of your ass and has no ground to stand on. Sorry man, you fail again

[Edited on August 5, 2010 at 9:59 PM. Reason : hahaha]

8/5/2010 9:58:48 PM

definitely worth seeing this in the theater. -- so much so that I think it just wouldn't be the same experience at home. Unless maybe you have a really nice home theater and wait for the blu-ray release. Otherwise, 100% theater over download.

8/5/2010 10:23:27 PM

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"lafta please go away your theories are terrible. Why would the director/writer base the entire movie on something that they never suggest once throughout the entire story? If Mal had cancer and Cobb was in her dreams so they could spend more time together, dont you think they would at least MENTION the word cancer at some point during the movie, let alone make it clear why Cobb's intentions were? Of course you dont, because you are not capable of having fully-developed thoughts. I have heard a lot of theories about this movie, and I think almost all of them are the manifestations of people thinking way too hard about the plot and ending of the movie, but your theory just sounds like something you completely pulled out of your ass and has no ground to stand on. Sorry man, you fail again"

haha. +1

8/6/2010 6:07:04 AM

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"your theories are terrible. Why would the director/writer base the entire movie on something that they never suggest once throughout the entire story? If Mal had cancer and Cobb was in her dreams so they could spend more time together, dont you think they would at least MENTION the word cancer at some point during the movie, let alone make it clear why Cobb's intentions were? Of course you dont, because you are not capable of having fully-developed thoughts. "

hahha, reading is fundamental

You dont have to know about the cancer to know what the director is trying to get across. The script development process can end up chopping off certain parts of the story that were there originally but were not entirely necessary.
So the cancer thing is not essential but can help to reaffirm or deny some of the theories that are floating around.

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"your theory just sounds like something you completely pulled out of your ass"

once again, read before you post
I got this theory from an interview he did years ago about this particular story. Its is fairly obvious that the story evolved into what is now Inception and there is good reason to believe that Cobb was always in a dream so the real world back story could possibly have been what i posted about

this entire post could have been avoided if you simply read one sentence or had reasonable comprehension skills

8/6/2010 10:17:15 AM

okay, now I'm convinced youre just trolling

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"I got this theory from an interview he did years ago about this particular story. Its is fairly obvious that the story evolved into what is now Inception"

youre trying to tell me that because the director (who was only part of the writing process) mentioned in an interview years ago a story somewhat similar to Inception where the woman character had cancer, that this is what the movie is all about? How the fuck do you mentally connect the two? Just because Nolan mentioned this storyline before and happened to direct a movie that was similar?

So, by using your logic, if Nolan ever thought about a bat when he was a kid, then he knew exactly how the The Dark Knight script would play out, right?

Then, you try to justify the story not including ANYTHING that would allude to cancer by saying this:

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"The script development process can end up chopping off certain parts of the story that were there originally but were not entirely necessary."

seriously, so now youre assuming that the cancer theory YOU MADE UP was actually in the script, but was removed during the editing process? you have quite an imagination

[Edited on August 6, 2010 at 10:56 AM. Reason : ugh]

[Edited on August 6, 2010 at 10:58 AM. Reason : asdf]

8/6/2010 10:56:22 AM

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" a story somewhat similar to Inception where the woman character had cancer"

right, cause Nolan has like 10 scripts about guys going into the dream world and having adventures
no reason for me to assume that the dream movie Nolan was talking about, in more detail than i have time to write about, has something to do with inception

Fact is it probably does, and if you add that back story to this movie it appears to explain why some of the things happened in the movie
Nolan likes to leave a lot to the imagination, it doesnt mean that there is no back story, its just that he only shares a part of the story with us
but in this case we can see where some of it came from,
& despite you best effort to dismiss it as my imagination, i heard it directly from the directors mouth and thats a lot better information than random people's theories

8/6/2010 11:08:22 AM

interview or not, there is nothing in the movie to suggest Mal had cancer or was sick in any way. just because the director had an idea at one time does not mean that idea carries through automatically to the actual script writing and film making, regardless of it being a similar theme.

8/6/2010 11:33:00 AM

wow, you guys amaze me with your ignorance and denial
do i have to perform an inception before you understand how this movie works?

8/6/2010 11:41:45 AM

there's nothing in the movie to suggest cancer had anything to do with anything.


but fwiw;

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"youre trying to tell me that because the director (who was only part of the writing process) mentioned in an interview years ago a story somewhat similar to Inception where the woman character had cancer, that this is what the movie is all about? How the fuck do you mentally connect the two? Just because Nolan mentioned this storyline before and happened to direct a movie that was similar? So, by using your logic, if Nolan ever thought about a bat when he was a kid, then he knew exactly how the The Dark Knight script would play out, right? "

This is Christopher Nolan's movie. 100%. He directed AND wrote it - (no co-writers listed). And from what i know from movie-news sites (from before it was ever released) - he'd been shopping this story (the core story) around for years. So, it's not like it's a big coincidence that he once mentioned the idea of someone stealing from dreams or whatever and ended up directing Inception. It's probably about as far from coincidental as things get.

8/6/2010 11:43:14 AM

wow, just wow

8/6/2010 11:47:07 AM

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"wow, you guys amaze me with your ignorance and denial do i have to perform an inception before you understand how this movie works?"

you amaze me on your lack of thought processing and the possibility you are wrong. you are so dead-set you are correct when you have no 100% clear proof you are. yes, it IS possible you are right with what you are saying in regards to cancer. but once again, just because the director had an idea at one time does not mean that idea carries through automatically to the actual script writing and film making, regardless of it being a similar theme.

[Edited on August 6, 2010 at 11:49 AM. Reason : .]

8/6/2010 11:48:34 AM

stop responding to him; he is trolling his own thread.

8/6/2010 11:50:44 AM

Where's my money, lafta?

8/6/2010 11:51:22 AM

if you can't infer that cancer was involved without having seen/read/heard that interview (from years before the final product), I don't think it's really a legit claim.

8/6/2010 11:54:21 AM

i never said i was 100% sure, some of you are dismissing it as my imagination
but its a serious possibility
just like every theory is possibly true, so is this


as far as ^, he could have included it or not and it may not have affect the main point,
but there are some clues in the movie to suggest that this is true

One example is that many have pointed out the parallel story lines of Cobb & Fisher
If that is true then the fact that Fisher's Dad is dying in a hospital may also be a clue to what Cobb is going through in the real world

8/6/2010 11:59:12 AM

where's my fucking money idiot

8/6/2010 12:00:38 PM

^in your dreams pal

[Edited on August 6, 2010 at 12:01 PM. Reason : gotta go, you fools digest what i have so kindly given you]

8/6/2010 12:01:08 PM

WHERE'S THE MONEY LAFTOWSKI

8/6/2010 12:01:47 PM

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"but its a serious possibility just like every theory is possibly true, so is this as far as ^, he could have included it or not and it may not have affect the main point, but there are some clues in the movie to suggest that this is true One example is that many have pointed out the parallel story lines of Cobb & Fisher If that is true then the fact that Fisher's Dad is dying in a hospital may also be a clue to what Cobb is going through in the real world"

I think you need a LOT more evidence before you say this is a "serious possibility." You are making HUGE leaps between minor details to support your claim. It's almost as bad as negative evidence. And the fact is, even if it were true, it doesn't really change the movie. In fact, it would make it worse because Nolan would have done a terrible job in getting his point across if what you are talking about actually was going on in the movie.

I have a theory for you lafta. He was at the dentist getting his wisdom teeth pulled and he was put under and the whole thing takes place at the dentist. It's all a dream about what could have happened if he married his HS sweetheart and the kids just represent the life he can never have with her because he screwed up and lost her. She haunts his dreams and he is torn between forgetting her and remembering her for what they had. At the end of the movie, he has released himself from being tormented and can move on...he can have a happy life he wanted whether it is with her or not. DOUBLE TWIST: His "dad" in his dream is actually the dental surgeon performing inception on Cobb to rid him off Mal while his assistant performs the wisdom teeth procedure. IT'S BULLET PROOF BABY! Every theory is possibly true!

See how ridiculous that is? Yet, it is just as plausible as your "theory"

8/6/2010 1:03:24 PM

no, no, NO.

This movie is clearly about the rape and (supposed) death of his wife.

Obviously a thief broke into Cobb's house and raped his wife. Cobb suffers head trauma during the fight and now has memory problems and loses track of reality. He subconsciously feels guilt over his wife's death (despite the fact that she might have survived the ordeal) and needs help letting go of his quest to avenge her. He has an interesting method of determining what is real and what is a deception. After a sequence of events involving drugs, hotels, and car chases, the movie's climax convinces him that he's accomplished his goal and can go back to living a normal life.

You know it's true because it fits the movie's story and I swear I heard an interview where Christopher Nolan described a script with that exact plot.

8/6/2010 1:24:12 PM

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" even if it were true, it doesn't really change the movie."

first off, if it were true it would support the idea that we never see reality.
it would also explain whey Cobb doesnt want to go back to reality, he wants to keep her alive, even if its in the dream world
It would also add to the gravity of the situation when she killed herself cause she would also be going back to a reality where she was dying, which also explains Cobb's terror, cause otherwise all that happened is that she went to reality and she'd be ok
thats not worth cobb going crazy over

you dont see cobb weeping when someone gets killed in a dream do you?

it would also explain a lot of the details of the movie

[Edited on August 6, 2010 at 8:02 PM. Reason : .]

8/6/2010 8:00:37 PM

The money, gloryport.

8/6/2010 8:13:36 PM

lafta, I swear that the two hemispheres of your brain are trolling each other

8/6/2010 9:16:23 PM

It's not trolling, they've just never met before and now they've found out they can't stand each other.

8/6/2010 9:55:40 PM

i saw it a few weeks ago and can't remember how fischer got to the hotel level? was he knocked out in the city level and hooked to the machine in the van? i remember he was knocked out in the hotel room and tricked into believing they were going into browning's dream.

8/7/2010 8:29:52 PM

that was the projection of fischer

8/7/2010 8:58:49 PM

finally saw this today

enjoyed the hell out of it

8/7/2010 9:07:45 PM

^^are you sure? that doesn't make much sense to me. the person who is the subject creates the projection so fischer wouldn't have had a projection of himself? i am really convinced that was the real fischer in the first level who gets taken hostage. just can't remember how he ends up going down another level.

8/7/2010 10:25:32 PM

8/7/2010 10:48:03 PM

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"snow fortress was the first level of metal gear solid"

I was thinking the same thing.

Loved this movie.

8/7/2010 11:13:46 PM

lafta would def be the architect on my team. I don't have the imagination.

8/8/2010 2:39:00 AM

You guys got it all wrong. In real life Mal is his pet gerbil.

It's only a theory, so it MUST be true.

8/8/2010 3:03:53 AM

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"^^are you sure? that doesn't make much sense to me. the person who is the subject creates the projection so fischer wouldn't have had a projection of himself? i am really convinced that was the real fischer in the first level who gets taken hostage. just can't remember how he ends up going down another level."

They got in the van, put a bag on his head, and sedated him.

8/8/2010 3:05:58 AM