Dude, what? All I'm asking is for you to show me, on the Reuters website, where these pictures were posted. All you are giving me is text and pictures, which are hosted on ning.com.

6/7/2010 7:26:50 PM

fine...here is the cropped photo on daylife.com (Reuters)...notice the title of the page on the three daylife.com links ("Photo from Reuters Pictures")

http://www.daylife.com/photo/04GyfwE9WH76j?q=gaza

here is the original, non-cropped photo (added to website from IHH website once they got called out for cropping out a knife, a pool of blood, and a bloody arm in the background)

http://www.daylife.com/photo/069q8Us0FK9ny

here is the guy who was stabbed

http://www.daylife.com/photo/08gE1dmaIOfBA

and here is the blown up pic of what was cropped out...although its not hosted on daylife.com, i think its pretty obvious that is indeed a picture of what was cropped out...a few Control + zooms on the original picture will verify that

http://api.ning.com/files/9JhM8Q-dLPzkf91KLsoRetvCdtC0TLB2Z867*1SK2B-Dw51ngrNdXKBZkqbGZ3urPval3r6OVTPhLBg0VK6nA4-DZb7r80O1/20100606ReutersCropSection2.jpg

6/7/2010 7:29:31 PM

Wow TreeTwista just about won this thread.

That's quite a propaganda machine the Israel-haters have going, with the mainstream media doing their photoshop dirty work and all.

6/7/2010 7:57:21 PM

Well they didn't kill anyone when I looks like they had the ability, so I'd say that puts them a moral step above, right?

6/7/2010 7:58:23 PM

Thanks. Daylife is not Reuters, though. They're an aggregator.

It's definitely possible he was stabbed, but any number of things could have happened between these two pictures. Either way it definitely doesn't prove Solinari's israpundit.com blog post.

6/7/2010 7:59:38 PM

well I don't know if we'll find a legit source for the story about the disemboweling

but when a normally legit source like Reuters decides to crop a photo, what sources can you trust?

6/7/2010 8:01:53 PM

Where's the evidence that Reuters cropped this image? You're posting links to some other site.

6/7/2010 8:29:21 PM

^x6

6/7/2010 8:34:15 PM

How is that evidence?

6/7/2010 8:44:32 PM

I like how liberals itt have latched onto contesting who cropped the evidence of barbarism rather than the barbarity itself

6/7/2010 8:54:45 PM

The violence is regrettable, but again, if it were the horrific blood bath you described I'm not sure how every soldier made it out alive.

I don't agree with the violence one bit, but to be quite honest, it's a red herring. The real issue here is Israel's illegal, immoral, and indefensible blockade. People in this thread defending it at this point are basically in the fringe.

[Edited on June 7, 2010 at 9:00 PM. Reason : .]

6/7/2010 9:00:38 PM

If that was the real issue then why wasn't this thread made in the years prior to the flotilla. Indeed, why was this thread titled what it was.

The real issue in fact is the murderous intent with which the militants on this particular ship set out in order to provoke a response from israel which they spun to great effect to their antisemitic aims

6/7/2010 9:05:11 PM

Quote :

"If that was the real issue then why wasn't this thread made in the years prior to the flotilla."

Why didn't somebody make "Israel attacks aid flotilla" years before the aid flotilla?

Quote :

"Indeed, why was this thread titled what it was"

Because Israel attacked an aid flotilla.

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"The real issue in fact is the murderous intent with which the militants on this particular ship set out in order to provoke a response from israel which they spun to great effect to their antisemitic aims"

(1) Once the soldiers were on board, they knew what they were doing.
(2) The antisemitic stuff is really tiresome.

6/7/2010 9:08:13 PM

Yes it is tiresome. I wish it wasn't so pervasive among liberals

6/7/2010 9:09:47 PM

That was a stupid thing to say. You should resign.

6/7/2010 9:11:43 PM

Smug attitudes don't inoculate people from antisemitism

6/7/2010 9:13:09 PM

It's just a tiresome troll act at this point. You know we're not antisemites, so just drop it. It's getting pretty annoying.

6/7/2010 9:13:58 PM

Well actually you are and you've demonstrated this over and over throughout the thread. Sublimating your hatred for Israel and jewish people into a smug opposition to anything that israel does, under the guise of "oh i just disagree with Zionism" doesn't work. It's fucking transparent

6/7/2010 9:17:05 PM

Okay, Pee-wee, we get it. The "I know you are, but what am I?" act is even more transparent.

6/7/2010 9:18:05 PM

Even if I were a Zionist I could (and might even have good reason) to gripe with Israel's policies.

In fact, many Orthodox (curls, hats, black coats) that live in Israel (and are supported by the Israeli government wholesale) don't agree with the existence of the state of Israel, and don't recognize its existence officially, religiously, philosophically, or otherwise. Are they antisemites too?

[Edited on June 7, 2010 at 9:21 PM. Reason : .]

6/7/2010 9:20:50 PM

Isn't that the ultimate end of any Israel debate.


I want you to die.
I don't want to die. I want you to die.
I don't want to die. I want you to die.
I don't want to die. I want you to die.
I don't want to die. I want you to die.
Ad nauseum

6/7/2010 9:22:24 PM

Um, no?

6/7/2010 9:24:19 PM

Really, because that seems to be what has been happening at the actual peace negotiations for the past 60 years

But i mean... Sure ok, no.... I stand corrected. Both sides have come to agreement. Sweet!

6/7/2010 9:26:32 PM

I'm not sure what the point of all of this gibberish is.

6/7/2010 9:27:22 PM

Troll

6/7/2010 9:29:25 PM

No I don't think that's quite right. But anyway, back on topic.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/israel-awaiting-green-light-from-u-s-for-internal-gaza-flotilla-probe-1.294786

Haaretz is calling the raid "botched", I wonder if they're antisemitic.

6/7/2010 9:40:08 PM

I agree that Israel could have handled the situation differently and achieved marginally better PR results (although the fix was, by and large, in as soon as the ships set sail).

However, just because they could have used a different tactic, does not mean that they were morally or ethically wrong to enforce their legal blockade and to use deadly force when their soldiers came under mortal danger.

Constantly glossing over hamas and their supporters violence with a pat, "oh that's regrettable and I don't agree with them doing that" response and then focusing all of your energy squarely on Israel's perceived wrongdoing is, truly, antisemitism.


[Edited on June 7, 2010 at 9:47 PM. Reason : s]

6/7/2010 9:46:24 PM

Do you have antisemitism tourettes?

6/7/2010 9:47:26 PM

I don't know, I guess a lot of people wondered if MLK had racism tourrettes... In fact I guess they got pretty tired of him constantly harping against the racist status quo.

6/7/2010 9:48:53 PM

Quote :

"Constantly glossing over hamas and their supporters violence with a pat, "oh that's regrettable and I don't agree with them doing that" response and then focusing all of your energy squarely on Israel's perceived wrongdoing is, truly, antisemitism."

Quote :

"Fuck Hamas"

hmmmm

6/7/2010 9:49:04 PM

^^ I know you did not just compare yourself to MLK. hahahaha. Time to put down TWW, dude.

6/7/2010 9:50:35 PM

hey look guys, McDanger threw out a token "fuck hamas" so now he can rail against israel's inhumanity for 9 pages.

6/7/2010 9:50:36 PM

Quote :

"Israel attacks aid flotilla"

6/7/2010 9:52:52 PM

There's not even any point in responding to Solinari anymore. It'd be better to just ignore him in the future, since it's obvious what his intentions are.

[Edited on June 7, 2010 at 9:54 PM. Reason : .]

6/7/2010 9:53:12 PM

"peace activists stab soldier in the belly, throw soldiers overboard, etc"

"peace activists"

6/7/2010 9:53:45 PM

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"Aid flotilla attacks IDF boarding party, retaliation ensues"

Fox News:

Quote :

"Sand niggers attack kind hearted Jews"

MSNBC:

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"Dirty Jews continue evil ways, slay helpless rescue workers in cold blood"

[Edited on June 7, 2010 at 11:16 PM. Reason : no offense]

6/7/2010 10:56:56 PM

For fucks sake, some people attacked some other people and we all agree it wasn't good.

Israel is generally kind of dickish, but everyone around them is also dickish. The rest of the world doesn't want to look like they're supporting dickishness, but neither of the dicks will stop dicking until the other dicks quits their dicking.

The root of the problem here is dickishness, and unfortunately everyone involved is insisting on being enormous dicks.

The solution?
Fuck if I know, but this thread has become retarded long before I posted this mess.
Good night sirs.

6/7/2010 11:01:53 PM

Quote :

"Well actually you are and you've demonstrated this over and over throughout the thread. Sublimating your hatred for Israel and jewish people into a smug opposition to anything that israel does, under the guise of "oh i just disagree with Zionism" doesn't work. It's fucking transparent"

is this the equivalent of pulling the race card but for jews? the jew-card if you will. are even those among the jewish populace that oppose the war mongering committed by israel's government also anti-semites?

6/8/2010 11:26:22 AM

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704002104575290632731499128.html

6/8/2010 11:34:53 AM

^
Need a subscription to read the whole thing

Also: it's an opinion column by a former editor-in-chief of the Jerusalem Post. lol

6/8/2010 12:15:38 PM

Ok, but no complaints about the "peace protestors" who had long histories with Hamas

6/8/2010 12:19:56 PM

Quote :

"Questions for liberals: What does it mean to be a friend of Israel? What does it mean to be a friend of the Palestinians? And should the same standards of friendship apply to Israelis and Palestinians alike, or is there a double standard here as well? It has become the predictable refrain among Israel's liberal critics that their criticism is, in fact, the deepest form of friendship. Who but a real friend, after all, is willing to tell Israel the hard truths it will not tell itself? Who will remind Israel that it is now the strong party, and that it cannot continue to play the victim and evade the duties of moral judgment and prudential restraint? Above all, who will remind Israel that it cannot go on denying Palestinians their rights, their dignity, and a country they can call their own? The answer, say people like Peter Beinart, formerly of the New Republic, is people like . . . Peter Beinart. And now that Israel has found itself in another public relations hole thanks to last week's raid on the Gaza flotilla, Israelis will surely be hearing a lot more from him. Now consider what it means for liberals to be friends of the Palestinians. Here, the criticism becomes oddly muted. So Egypt, a country that also once occupied Gaza, enforces precisely the same blockade on the Strip as Israel: Do liberal friends of Palestine urge the Obama administration to get tough on Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak as they urge him to do with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu? So a bunch of "peace" activists teams up with a Turkish group of virulently anti-Semitic bent and with links both to Hamas and al Qaeda: Does this prompt liberal soul-searching about the moral drift of the pro-Palestinian movement? So Hamas trashes a U.N.-run school, as it did the other week, because it educates girls: Do liberals wag stern fingers at Palestinians for giving up on the dream of a secular, progressive state? Well, no. And no. And no. Instead, liberal support for Palestinians is now mainly of the no-hard-questions-asked variety. But that is precisely the kind of support that liberals decry as toxic when it comes to Western support for Israel. I leave it to others to decide whether this is simple hypocrisy or otherwise evidence of how disingenuous claims by certain liberals to friendship with Israel have become. Still, these liberals insist that their remonstrances are necessary because, without them, Israelis won't get the tough love they need. Really? Consider a sample of recent clippings from the Israeli press. An editorial in Haaretz: "Like a robot lacking judgment . . . that's how the [Israeli] government is behaving in its handling of the aid flotillas to the Gaza Strip." A columnist in the Jerusalem Post: "As evil as these jihadists [aboard the flotilla] are, they were acting in a cause the whole decent, democratic world knows is right: Freedom for Gaza. Freedom for the Palestinians. And end to the occupation. An end to the blockade." A member of Israel's cabinet: "We need to ease the population's conditions and find security-sensitive, worthy alternatives to the embargo." None of this indicates a society lacking in a capacity for self-criticism. Yet that capacity hardly has any parallel in the closed circle of Palestinian media or politics, a point that ought to bother Western liberals. It doesn't. One wonders why. Part of the reason surely has to be intellectual confusion, an inability to grasp the difference between national "liberation" and genuine freedom. Ho Chi Minh was not a "freedom fighter," and neither was Yasser Arafat. How many times does the world have to go through this drill for liberals to get the point? There's also a psychology at work. Harvard's Ruth Wisse calls it "moral solipsism"—obsessive regard for your own moral performance; complete indifference to the performance of those who wish you ill. Finally there's the fact that liberalism has become a politics of easy targets. Liberals have no trouble taking stands against abstinence educators, Prop 8 supporters or members of the tea party. But when it comes to genuine bigots and religious fanatics—and Hamas has few equals in those categories—liberals have a way of discovering their capacity for cultural nuance and political pragmatism. Today, by contrast, the task of defending Israel is hard. It's hard because defenders must eschew cliches about "the powerful" and "the powerless." It is hard because it goes against prevailing ideological fashions. And it's hard because it requires an appreciation that the choice of evils that endlessly confronts Israeli policy makers is not something they can simply wash their hands of by "ending the occupation." They tried that before—in Gaza. Is there a liberalism that is capable of recognizing this? Or are we again at the stage where it has been consumed by its instinct for fellow-traveling? In 1968, Eric Hoffer wrote: "I have a premonition that will not leave me; as it goes with Israel so will it go with all of us. Should Israel perish the holocaust will be upon us." By "us," he meant liberals, too, and maybe most of all."

6/8/2010 12:36:08 PM

Quote :

"Questions for liberals: What does it mean to be a friend of Israel? What does it mean to be a friend of the Palestinians? And should the same standards of friendship apply to Israelis and Palestinians alike, or is there a double standard here as well? humanity?"

[Edited on June 8, 2010 at 6:59 PM. Reason : /]

6/8/2010 6:59:44 PM

that's about the most vapid thing I've ever read.

obviously, the ultimate goal is to be a friend to humanity. The issue is, may one be more of a friend to humanity by being a friend to Israel or the Palestinians (or both, and if both, how to each)?

But good try.

[Edited on June 8, 2010 at 7:15 PM. Reason : s]

6/8/2010 7:15:01 PM

Quote :

"that's about the most vapid thing I've ever read."

Were you reading your own post history when you thought that?

Quote :

"The issue is, may one be more of a friend to humanity by being a friend to Israel or the Palestinians (or both, and if both, how to each)?"

you don't understand the issue, therefore it is pointless in discussing it with you.

[Edited on June 8, 2010 at 7:31 PM. Reason : .]

6/8/2010 7:30:35 PM

Quote :

"you don't understand the issue, therefore it is pointless in discussing it with you."

I guess if you're refusing to consider Israel's side, it would be pointless.


[Edited on June 8, 2010 at 7:40 PM. Reason : s]

6/8/2010 7:38:11 PM

Quote :

"Were you reading your own post history when you thought that?"

Solinari's sole purpose here is to troll the shit out of anyone that he deems a "librull." You'd have more success arguing with a bowl of macaroni and cheese, and find the aftermath to be pleasantly more tasty.

[Edited on June 8, 2010 at 7:39 PM. Reason : also he likes to make up shit for no reason at all. witness ^ as evidence.]



Oh, you deleted it? Here, let me quote it for you:

Quote :

"You're right, it is pointless. You don't have a shred of humanity in you and think its a good idea for muslim terrorists to bash out 3 year old children's brains."

[Edited on June 8, 2010 at 7:40 PM. Reason : new quote]

6/8/2010 7:39:13 PM

I edited it out before you replied... I decided it was too distracting but my point was that if he wants to make things up about me, then I might as well make things up about him. And it also served as a nice way to remind people of the obscene violence that palestinians perpetrate upon the innocent Israeli children.

[Edited on June 8, 2010 at 7:45 PM. Reason : s]

6/8/2010 7:42:52 PM

I think your post pretty much spoke for itself. And it didn't say anything resembling ^ that.

6/8/2010 7:45:28 PM

well yea actually it did.

I applaud your effort to keep things base.


[Edited on June 8, 2010 at 7:52 PM. Reason : s]

6/8/2010 7:46:27 PM