^ i mean that's just one website.

but yeh. like 9000% of the interviews they do on the street are about "i have all this debt i took out in college on a bum degree with no growth in that sector, plz halp"

so i think it's gonna be a big one if they get everything on their xmas list they want.

10/12/2011 2:17:03 PM

unfortunately higher taxes do not amount to constructive changes in major govt institutions like education

and that 'list of demands' is changing daily, they're just pointing out some major flaws in the American govt... and education should probably be NUMBER ONE on that fucking list imho.

10/12/2011 2:18:33 PM

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"some major flaws in the American govt... and education should probably be NUMBER ONE on that fucking list imho."

i agree. it's pretty horrible. ppl are gonna start applying out of country b4 it gets out of control

!viva la universidad de la ciudad de juarez wolfpacko!

[Edited on October 12, 2011 at 2:21 PM. Reason : x]

10/12/2011 2:20:03 PM

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"Not really sure what I'm trying to say, but that sign from the girl who got her inheritance at 21 and confessed to being the 1% really bugged me. I've felt guilty about being upper-middle class or whatever for my whole life and I finally figured out why. I LIKED having the newest, best everything from clothes to technology. I WANTED it and GOT it, either by working and buying it or my parents buying it for me. Then I felt guilty about how I spent my money. Its something I've struggled with all my life."

What exactly is so wrong about enjoying the fruits of your labors (or your parents if they're willing)? Though you may feel "greedy" or "materialistic", think of all the people (presumably) less fortunate than you that you are keeping employed through your purchases.

[Edited on October 12, 2011 at 2:21 PM. Reason : I hate touchscreens]

10/12/2011 2:20:29 PM

^ get out of this thread with your greedy brainwashing.

there should be a law plain and simple that if you have more than 10 million dollars that you just can't. NOBODY deserves more than 10 million dollars.

10/12/2011 2:22:49 PM

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"ppl are gonna start applying out of country b4 it gets out of control"

Yeah wouldn't count on that. The United States, despite the corporatization of higher ed, still has the best university system in the world. There's a reason that despite all the visa barriers we put up after 9/11 foreigners still flock here for an education.

It's the K-12 system that needs a serious overhaul.

10/12/2011 2:25:53 PM

Regarding the post on the last page, I'm the opposite. Why should I feel guilty for wanting/having the latest/greatest if I've worked hard to acquire said things?

[Edited on October 12, 2011 at 2:35 PM. Reason : ]

10/12/2011 2:33:50 PM

^

You choose... poorly.

10/12/2011 2:36:54 PM

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"lol you are poor and lazy and want other peoples money because you're jealous. lol"

lol! Yeah, that's why I can change my status and you can't.

10/12/2011 2:39:07 PM

its one thing to work hard, which i feel i've done but my working hard while i have supportive and financially stable parents is different from someone else who has worked hard without having supportive parents if that makes any sense. While I was 'working hard' and brought in plenty of $$ to blow, I had friends who had to 'work hard' and help their parents pay rent/food/clothes for siblings, etc. so its different.

10/12/2011 2:39:57 PM

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"Because you can tell from that single image that she never volunteers or never donates to NPOs"

Not from the image by from her words. If she feels she has enough there is not ANYONE standing in her way of giving away her money. To suggest she needs the federal govt to it only backs my point.

Wolfpackgrll, once you give your money to govt you have lost control over how that money is spent...you may have noticed. If you were allowed to keep more of your money then you could support groups who do acts that you support and withold your money from groups you dont support...amazing concept that freedom/liberty.

10/12/2011 2:40:59 PM

I mean, if you give money to the government, how much goes towards positive causes? I see a government that spends trillions on foreign occupation, drug wars, and excessive, bloated bureaucracy. By the time your money gets "through the system," 5% might go to what could be considered "charity," with 95% going towards bureaucracy or enforcement of shitty laws.

10/12/2011 2:43:16 PM

do u guys think the govt looks in on TWW threads? hahahahaha

i wish they would sometimes

but people with money and power can't be trusted to do the right thing

i think 12 people should be chosen at random to serve on a 6mo-1yr committee and evaluate some of these issues and give real-life perspectives on what should be done. then the committee changes and is re selected randomly. or some shit like that because politicians and CEO's are faaar removed from what the avg american wants/needs.

10/12/2011 2:51:07 PM

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"Wolfpackgrll, once you give your money to govt you have lost control over how that money is spent...you may have noticed. If you were allowed to keep more of your money then you could support groups who do acts that you support and withold your money from groups you dont support...amazing concept that freedom/liberty."

No private or NPO will ever work on the issue I think is most important right now, and that's the fact that our infrastructure blows. If I had the money and know how, I'd start a train line system in NC similar to what they have in Europe or East Asia.

10/12/2011 2:52:22 PM

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"but people with money and power can't be trusted to do the right thing"

Overgeneralize much?

10/12/2011 2:52:49 PM

The wealthiest country in the world is facing the biggest unemployment rate in the history of its existence

/your troll comment

[Edited on October 12, 2011 at 2:57 PM. Reason : blah]

10/12/2011 2:56:40 PM

I didn't realize our unemployment rate was surpassing 27%.

10/12/2011 3:05:21 PM

well, our real unemployment rate is likely closer to 27% than 9%

10/12/2011 3:06:35 PM

ok, i guess we're not there yet... LOL

Betty, check yo self fore you wreck yo self

but seriously, the wealthiest country can't afford healthcare for its own people? we're smarter and more resourceful than that people!

10/12/2011 3:07:54 PM

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"When the underemployed and the discouraged are added to the numbers, the unemployment rate rises to 16.6%"

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/learn-how-to-invest/The-real-unemployment-rate.aspx

That was from May but the official unemployment rate then was higher than now I believe.

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"but seriously, the wealthiest country can't afford healthcare for its own people? we're smarter and more resourceful than that people!"

I agree our healthcare system is a total mess. I just wish Congress had the political will to tell the insurance and pharmaceutical companies to fuck off and stop taking their campaign contributions.

[Edited on October 12, 2011 at 3:09 PM. Reason : a]

10/12/2011 3:08:29 PM

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"The wealthiest country in the world is facing the biggest unemployment rate in the history of its existence"

10/12/2011 3:14:04 PM

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"I just wish Congress had the political will to tell the insurance and pharmaceutical companies to fuck off and stop taking their campaign contributions."

thus re-routing to my previous comment:

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"but people with money and power can't be trusted to do the right thing"

[Edited on October 12, 2011 at 3:16 PM. Reason : and I admitted that quote was wrong ^, why can't you people see me for my true troll self]

10/12/2011 3:15:09 PM

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"but people with money and power can't be trusted to do the right thing"

This I don't agree with. There are plenty of people with money and power that do good things and plenty that do bad things. Unfortunately it seems the latter have more say at this time.

[Edited on October 12, 2011 at 3:17 PM. Reason : a]

10/12/2011 3:17:34 PM

and then theres plenty that do nothing which i'd say is wrong also

10/12/2011 3:29:59 PM

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"This I don't agree with. There are plenty of people with money and power that do good things and plenty that do bad things. Unfortunately it seems the latter have more say at this time."

Okay. It's one thing to say that the rich and powerful do good things sometimes. That is a fact. It's something else to say that we should ever trust the rich and powerful to do what's best for the people. They have plenty of reasons to do what is good for them and not us.

Under a just system, fraud and bribery would be prosecuted. Under our system, both of those things are actually legal and considered part of "business as usual" in the political process, at least when committed by the politically well-connected.

There is hope. If enough people started caring, maybe we could elect leaders that were determined to restore the Constitution and the rule of law. As you may have noticed, though, the vast majority of Americans do not care. It's easier to sit back and watch the game while leaving the "boring political stuff" to the power elite, all while they plunder the wealth of the entire country, and in some cases, the world.

Getting people involved is only half the battle, though. If people become politically active but subscribe to economic fallacies such as "the living wage," then we're not any better off.

[Edited on October 12, 2011 at 3:37 PM. Reason : ]

10/12/2011 3:34:01 PM

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"This I don't agree with. There are plenty of people with money and power that do good things I agree with and plenty that do bad things I disagree with. Unfortunately it seems the latter have more say at this time."

Let's leave "good" vs. "bad" for the movies, k.

10/12/2011 3:42:18 PM

10/12/2011 3:45:49 PM

Are your student loans and worthless degree getting the best of you? How about mandatory military service or picking up trash, I don't care, just do something productive and quit banging a fucking drum.

10/12/2011 3:48:03 PM

10/12/2011 3:50:44 PM

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"Are your student loans and worthless degree getting the best of you? How about mandatory military service or picking up trash, I don't care, just do something productive and quit banging a fucking drum. "

Are taxes and the lack of representation getting the best of you? How about mandatory soldiers quartering in your homes or working more to cover those taxes, i don't care, just do something productive and quit banging a fucking drum.

Yours,

King George

10/12/2011 3:53:12 PM

^

10/12/2011 3:54:07 PM

10/12/2011 4:03:31 PM

10/12/2011 4:15:05 PM

suddenly agreeing with the protests. they should have just let the banks / GM / wall street fail.

just hit the reset button. this place is flushing itself down the toilet anyways. might as well do it sooner than later.

10/12/2011 4:51:30 PM

that chris hedges video fucking pwns

10/12/2011 5:32:23 PM

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"Quote : "Are your student loans and worthless degree getting the best of you? How about mandatory military service or picking up trash, I don't care, just do something productive and quit banging a fucking drum. " Are taxes and the lack of representation getting the best of you? How about mandatory soldiers quartering in your homes or working more to cover those taxes, i don't care, just do something productive and quit banging a fucking drum. Yours, King George"

FUCKING FACE!
for serious

all these self-righteous unamerican assholes dressed up as patriots in this thread
thanks for giving it to them in the face, Axl

10/12/2011 6:43:17 PM

Yeah, you know me, the un-American asshole who is working to create manufacturing positions in the USA, but don't worry snewf and company, your union brothers and your hardworking 99 percent can continue to complain that their $20/hour jobs aren't enough. Then you guys can complain when the evil corporations have to shut the doors and go overseas to even try to survive. But that is what you guys do best, complain. But don't worry this unpatriotic asshole will continue to support you and your freedom to sit around with your drum and complain while I pay your annual salary in taxes with my non-English degree that wasn't as delightful to get but somehow made me infinitely more marketable. Snoogans.

10/12/2011 7:45:51 PM

Ok tell me who deserves to get paid what

What do I deserve to get paid

[Edited on October 12, 2011 at 8:28 PM. Reason : Granted you know nothing about me but I'm sure that won't stop you]

10/12/2011 8:25:12 PM

I don't know what your job is, but I will go with supply and demand will help figure out what your pay should be.

10/12/2011 8:30:17 PM

Why is $20/hr too much for some people then? Nobody's forcing the job creators to hire union guys. Why don't they just say "ok none of you are worth that, get the hell out and I'll hire illegals?"

10/12/2011 8:36:06 PM

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"Ok tell me who deserves to get paid what What do I deserve to get paid"

No one deserves to get paid anything. You aren't entitled to other people's work simply because you exist. And, if you are, why is it based purely on nationality? We fund our deficits by exporting inflation and relying on exploited workers in the third world. Why is that okay? Great, you get free health care, and some Chinese kid gets dumped on.

In a free market, prices are dynamic, and are allowed to rise and fall. Any time you set a price floor (a minimum wage, for instance), you don't do so without consequences. A higher minimum wage simply means more unemployment, and it also means that unskilled laborers are that much less likely to find work.

Prosperity cannot be legislated; it has to come through savings, investment, and labor.

10/12/2011 8:50:33 PM

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"it has to come through savings, investment, and labor."

could you elaborate on this?

10/12/2011 8:52:31 PM

Well my point was just that you can't say some people deserve $20/hr and others don't on such a general basis.

10/12/2011 8:55:23 PM

Alright. Consumption is the most basic requirement for survival. We have to eat, drink, and be protected from the elements in order to survive. No one would suggest, though, that we consume everything we can. Sometimes, underconsumption makes sense, because it means more of X at some later time.

In order for there to be "extra stuff", someone has to underconsume. That's a fundamental requirement for a strong, growing economy. Some portion of the population has to be saving. Materials that are saved, rather than used for instant gratification, can then be used to invest in projects or improvements, which can mean a higher standard of living for you or others. Saved materials can be used, in conjunction with labor, to create things of value.

Our leaders today say that saving isn't important. In fact, they actively discourage it. They don't view spending as a result of savings and investment, they view it as a key indicator of economic growth. If we can just get people spending (consuming), they say, we will be prosperous.

It's obvious that the only way we can have a spending economy without savings is to create debt, which has to be paid back later. Debt, then, is only a temporary solution. The only thing the government can do now is create debt. It has no other tools. We can delude ourselves into believing that this or that will be "free," but it all comes at a cost, and the cost is heavy.

[Edited on October 12, 2011 at 9:09 PM. Reason : ]

10/12/2011 9:06:30 PM

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"Though you may feel "greedy" or "materialistic", think of all the people (presumably) less fortunate than you that you are keeping employed through your purchases."

That's a dangerous line of reasoning. It propagates rampant consumerism under the guise of protecting or creating jobs. This comes at the expense of habitat and wildlife all so satiate a sense of entitlement to cheap and abundant disposable goods.

10/12/2011 9:08:13 PM

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"Debt, then, is only a temporary solution."

Tell me more...

10/12/2011 9:24:37 PM

10/12/2011 9:37:07 PM

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"Ok tell me who deserves to get paid what What do I deserve to get paid"

that's the genius of it. we don't give a shit nor do we have to ever care. go make yourself valuable and attractive to humanity and we will reward you for your efforts.

or you can continue supporting shit like this:


(i like solar too. it's such a shame. i am in the middle of completing another 2kw on my solar system.)

10/12/2011 9:37:21 PM

lol damn

Meet the occupants:
Convinced the U.S. government is no better than, say, Al Qaeda (i.e., Noam Chomsky): 34
http://nymag.com/news/intelligencer/topic/occupy-wall-street-2011-10/

seriously 34% polled say US = Al Qaeda.
cmon guys. it's almost beyond a bad joke now.

i hope you can turn it around or you've done nothing but taint your cause for years and years to come.

10/12/2011 9:54:54 PM

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"That's a dangerous line of reasoning. It propagates rampant consumerism under the guise of protecting or creating jobs. This comes at the expense of habitat and wildlife all so satiate a sense of entitlement to cheap and abundant disposable goods. "

That's pretty far away from what my statement suggested, but let's pretend that's what I intended.

If those who can afford to buy the latest clothes or gadgets even when they have perfectly functioning ones are creating more business for those companies they're buying from. If they don't purchase these goods does it not reduce the need for said companies to employ or hire as many workers as they would otherwise?

If people have the money and are willing to spend it then that's exactly what they should do. It's the only way to create/sustain employment.

10/12/2011 10:06:47 PM