https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2018/apr/27/north-and-south-korea-summit-leaders-prepare-for-historic-inter-korean-meeting-live

Quote :

"Kim Jong-un, dressed in his signature striped Mao-style jacket, shook Moon’s hand across the border line and the two men chatted briefly before stepping over the line and posing for photos. It is the first time a North Korean leader has set foot in the South since the end of the Korean War. Kim then brought Moon over the border to the North sign for a few seconds and they held hands as the crossed back into the South."

so sweet

4/26/2018 8:48:59 PM

This is nothing but good. I hope Tom Cotton and the GOP doesn’t try to undermine the president again, though.

Also, it’s interesting that the Democrats aren’t shitting all over this like the GOP did with Iran. That should make it a ton easier for Trump/Pompeo/Moon to make some real permanent headway if Un is serious about opening up NK.

[Edited on April 27, 2018 at 9:49 AM. Reason : X]

4/27/2018 9:44:49 AM

Don't worry, there's still time for numerous parties to fuck this one up.

4/27/2018 10:19:39 AM

^^

Who’s shitting on this?

I haven’t seen anyone say it’s not a positive development

It really doesn’t look like the US was involved in this though, at least not like the Iran deal where we were leading the negotiations.

[Edited on April 27, 2018 at 10:42 AM. Reason : ]

4/27/2018 10:40:57 AM

I don’t care who the most important players are tbh. If Trump wants to claim credit have at it. I care more about legitimate peace and better lives for the Korean people.

He still sucks and his policies hurt more Americans then they help.

[Edited on April 27, 2018 at 11:03 AM. Reason : But credit for good things is fine]

4/27/2018 11:02:24 AM

we probably played some role since pompeo recently met with kim jung un

4/27/2018 11:11:15 AM

Lol @ Trump4NobelPeacePrize

Wouldn't that chap some peoples' tails.

Seriously though, whether a direct correlation to his policies or not, would he be a serious contender? I mean Obama won it on the assumption he would do great things, so I don't see this as being that much different.

Come on TGL3...I know you're gonna reply. Tell me how my comment on Obama was so wrong. Based on what I've read, he was awarded the prize based on his promises to close Gitmo, end the Isreali-Palestinian conflict, and basically just willing to reach out to other countries. But still, it appeared to have been awarded based on promises, not deeds.

4/27/2018 11:15:55 AM

Obama didn't deserve it, and Trump definitely doesn't deserve it. That completely erases the work of peace activists in Korea, not to mention excusing his mass murder elsewhere in the world.

4/27/2018 11:22:51 AM

if trump signs a peace deal and reduces sanctions opening up korea he definitely deserves it

[Edited on April 27, 2018 at 12:26 PM. Reason : he still hasnt done anything yet so thats a big if]

4/27/2018 12:26:29 PM

I don't care if he personally dismantles the border, he's still a fucking war criminal and it's insane for a leftist to suggest he deserves the peace prize.

[Edited on April 27, 2018 at 12:39 PM. Reason : .]

4/27/2018 12:38:26 PM

Quote :

" Ryan Fournier ?Verified account @RyanAFournier BREAKING: North Korea has released all U.S. detainees at the request of President Trump. "

WTF?

5/2/2018 3:21:33 PM

^ TBF it is only 3 people

5/2/2018 4:07:35 PM

Quote :

"Senior administration official tells me no direct confirmation from Pyongyang that 3 U.S. hostages have been moved out of labor camps, no word that they will be released any time soon. Administration still working to try to free them."

I suspect they will be released in advance of the summit though.

5/2/2018 4:43:47 PM

Quote :

"I don't care if he personally dismantles the border, he's still a fucking war criminal and it's insane for a leftist to suggest he deserves the peace prize"

How is Trump a war criminal?

Anyways, I agree with Tulsi and I detest Donald Trump and am absolutely convinced he is a treasonous mobster. But IF he does something positive he should get credit.

Hating every single thing and claiming he has done absolutely no good things is an indication that you are ignoring facts just as badly as people who blindly support him and see nothing negative.

5/2/2018 5:00:45 PM

Quote :

"How is Trump a war criminal?"

http://inthesetimes.com/article/21061/Donald-Trump-war-Yemen-Syria-Saudi-Arabia-bombings-three-years

But it's nothing new. Most (all?) recent US presidents are war criminals as well.

Quote :

"Hating every single thing and claiming he has done absolutely no good things is an indication that you are ignoring facts just as badly as people who blindly support him and see nothing negative."

I always give him credit when it's due. The North Korea stuff is fantastic. But if anyone deserves the prize, it's the South Korean left. They've given years (or decades) of their life for this. Trump breaking ranks with past leadership to allow it is great, but it's about the least he could do.

If you're interested in learning more about it:

http://citationsneeded.libsyn.com/episode-35-the-total-blackout-of-the-korean-left

[Edited on May 2, 2018 at 5:29 PM. Reason : .]

5/2/2018 5:24:03 PM

adultswim: here are all the bad things the US does. Sanction the US. NK is okay because Wikipedia said so. This isnt whataboutism because reasons.


[Edited on May 2, 2018 at 5:50 PM. Reason : .]

5/2/2018 5:49:04 PM

what?

5/2/2018 6:22:42 PM

I haven't been following this very much, but wasn't there some huge underground explosion that basically wiped out NK's nukes, therefore rendering its threats null?

5/2/2018 8:47:46 PM

https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevornace/2018/04/26/this-could-be-the-real-reason-why-north-korea-stopped-its-nuclear-missile-tests/#161fed4d64c2

5/2/2018 9:14:30 PM

Quote :

"The release of three US nationals currently detained in North Korea is "imminent," according to an official with knowledge of the ongoing negotiations. The official told CNN the North Koreans made the decision to free the Americans two months ago, and that North Korea's Foreign Minister Ri Yong Ho had proposed their release during his visit to Sweden in March."

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/02/asia/north-korea-americans-detained-intl/index.html

5/2/2018 10:52:40 PM

Is spiking the football before anything tangible was actually accomplished more 56-D chess?

5/17/2018 11:39:39 AM

[Edited on May 17, 2018 at 11:52 AM. Reason : The chessmaster]

5/17/2018 11:52:00 AM

Look. A squirrel.

5/17/2018 11:57:30 AM

who can forget all of the Obama surrogates and supporters loudly campaigning for that award?

5/17/2018 12:59:22 PM

https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/j5kdkb/north-korea-just-axed-its-top-three-military-officials

6/4/2018 10:09:50 AM

Might Dennis Rodman at the Trump-Kim Summit Just Work?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44367382

god damnit we are definitely in the wrong timeline

6/6/2018 4:31:05 PM

Don’t worry, Dr. Gorka will be on the scene too.

(I’m still in favor of this meeting fwiw but I have zero confidence it is a serious endeavor on NKs side)

6/6/2018 6:54:15 PM

oh me too, but can you imagine someone predicting this before the world ended in 2012?

6/6/2018 7:22:04 PM

As opposed to it being a serious endeavor on the US side?
Literally the only reason Trump is doing this is to get his name in the hat for a Nobel.

He'll waddle in with absurd benchmarks for N Korea to meet, which they won't, and this will all just be an over-hyped photo op.

6/7/2018 7:51:48 AM

Oh I have no confidence in Trump with anything. That was implicit. He’s an idiot with severe issues. He’s not even taking prep seriously for this. Just saying I’m not opposed to meeting with KJU. Wasn’t when Obama said it during camoaignnin 2008 and not now.

6/7/2018 8:00:09 AM

Quote :

"The Washington Post confirms my reporting that Dennis Rodman's planned trip to Singapore is focused on the cryptocurrency PotCoin"

Lol

6/7/2018 12:48:12 PM

they're sponsoring the trip for publicity (they sponsored the last one too). i don't think the talks involve them but who knows.

6/7/2018 1:25:01 PM

Kim Jon Un just got a rousing ovation in a casino in Singapore. What in the fuck is happening? Did the entire world go stupid sometime in the last decade?

[Edited on June 11, 2018 at 10:25 AM. Reason : Lol of course it’s an Adelson owner property. Get that grift on.]

6/11/2018 10:25:09 AM

Quote :

"In the latest twist in the drama-filled nuclear talks with North Korea's Kim Jong Un, President Donald Trump announced on the eve of their historic meeting that he will be leaving Singapore early because the nuclear negotiations have moved "more quickly than expected." That was before the two had even met, and it was not clear whether it was good news or not."

6/11/2018 11:33:00 AM

Wasn't this the guy that was going to read the room in an instant and get shit done in day?

What happened?

6/11/2018 12:01:54 PM

So hug, handshake, pat on the back, stern scowl?

6/11/2018 8:51:34 PM

I always wonder if the translators try to fuck with them.

6/11/2018 9:08:01 PM

so no real concessions from NK but we cancelled the scheduled war games with SK

and lol at USB fans being passed out:
https://twitter.com/tommygents/status/1006295405150330880

6/12/2018 7:33:56 AM

Haven’t read enough to form an opinion yet but saw this:

Quote :

"Trump on Kim: “His country does love him. His people, you see the fervor. They have a great fervor.”"

6/12/2018 7:45:11 AM

he's jealous of kim's crowd sizes

6/12/2018 7:50:21 AM

Looks like the MAGAS and far left (Tracey/Greenwald/etc) are pretty happy. But honestly I’m not sure about what. I mean we are basically taking Trumps word that Kim will de-nuke which he obviously won’t. I’m not sure I see any tangible concessions by NK or really any changes at all.

Still, being further from nuclear war (which by the way Trump ratcheted up himself) is a good thing. I’d rather we don’t heap praise on the way he runs his country though.

6/12/2018 9:48:15 AM

Largely symbolic, though even the tenuous promise of denuclearization is a good thing. I think Trump maybe gave a bit more than he should have, since denuke-ing was the stated price for America to even come to the table, but good faith is good faith I suppose.

All-in-all I don't think Trump did too badly here.

Though the flip side is that he's set the bar so low at this point that we're almost forced to be impressed by this not being a complete shitshow. Give it a couple days and we'll be back to status-quo.

6/12/2018 10:29:51 AM

Quote :

"far left (Tracey/Greenwald/etc) are pretty happy"

Because this is overwhelmingly what Koreans want.

https://fair.org/home/what-do-us-pundits-know-about-north-korea-that-88-of-south-koreans-dont/

Quote :

"According to a recent poll, 88 percent of the South Korean public viewed the recent peace summit between North Korean leader Kim Jong-un and South Korean President Moon Jae-in as a success. In addition, 65 percent of South Koreans trust Kim Jong-un on his pledge to denuclearize, and Moon Jae-in’s approval ratings have shot up to 86 percent. Broadly speaking, recent developments between North and South Korea have been met with widespread optimism and praise from the South Korean public."

Quote :

"I’d rather we don’t heap praise on the way he runs his country though."

Wait are you talking about Trump or Kim?

6/12/2018 10:47:31 AM

Trump heaping praise and saying the people love Kim and he loves them because of fervor they show is a pretty pathetic and useless thing to say given what we know.

The people of Korea want peace, of course. And I’m glad we are further away from a hot war then we were last year. South Koreans don’t want to live in threat of a madman using nukes and invading their country. North Koreans would rather not be systematically imprisoned and/or killed for any sign of dissent or disloyalty. Was there any talk of him releasing his political prisoners? I missed it if so.

Basically what happened here is Trump took us to the brink of a major calamity last year, backed off and then went over the top to reconcile. He basically lowered the bar to “no nuclear war.” A good lowering it only really ratcheted up by him in the first place.

[Edited on June 12, 2018 at 10:58 AM. Reason : First paragraph answers your last question. If Trump deserves praise he should get it.]

6/12/2018 10:57:27 AM

Again, South Koreans are happy with the way things are going and it is the height of US imperialist arrogance to throw doubt on all of it.

6/12/2018 11:00:04 AM

The height of US imperialist arrogance ITT.

6/12/2018 11:03:27 AM

Quote :

"Largely symbolic, though even the tenuous promise of denuclearization is a good thing"

symbolic may be too generous a term, they have made that claim many times in the past

it's nothing new until actual real steps and milestones area created and there is no reason to believe that we are any closer to that happening. without receiving any concessions this was a propaganda win for KJU and nothing more.



[Edited on June 12, 2018 at 11:24 AM. Reason : and i'm fine with meeting "bad guys" without concessions, but it doesn't make it a win]

6/12/2018 11:19:26 AM

Quote :

"Was there any talk of him releasing his political prisoners? I missed it if so."

Apparently Human Rights was not discussed or mentioned in the signed statements.

6/12/2018 11:24:38 AM

This is weird: https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/jun/12/trump-bizarre-trailer-for-the-summit-with-kim-singapore-bromance

6/12/2018 11:26:39 AM

My bar for Trump is “are we closer to a nuclear war now or when he took over.”

My answer is it appears we are back to where we were on Jan 20, 2017. KJU has a nuke program and we don’t want him to. The only difference is he has been given a platform to be seen as an equal on the world stage. That’s nit inherently bad or good but it’s the only change.

If Trump got actual concessions or worked with KJU on human rights or was able to get information on the depth of the NK nuclear program I’d give him credit for that. As it stands he created a shitstorm with his bellicose behavior last year and then decided he’d ratchet it down. He basically lowered the bar himself to the lowest possible place and then barely hopped over it.

[Edited on June 12, 2018 at 12:14 PM. Reason : X]

6/12/2018 12:13:16 PM