It looked like the kid was sucked under the right tire which I imagine could cause the car to fish tail. I don't know though. It's so fast it is hard to see which happens first.

8/10/2014 1:13:21 PM

I don't think he swerved to hit him. It's more likely he just decided not to swerve to miss him, as is any driver's duty.

Anyway, his career is done. He kept playing around with those dirt cars and it's ruined his last two seasons. Oh well, plenty more drivers waiting to take his place.

8/10/2014 1:17:49 PM

I can't imagine he'll throw himself out of his own ride.

8/10/2014 1:24:11 PM

So at no point the kid is held responsible for walking out on a dark dirt track with a black suite and approaching moving vehicles? I feel sad for him and his family and some new facts might shift some blame/change my opinion, but the reality is if he stayed in his car and got towed off or escorted off properly instead of going out after Stewart it wouldn't have happened. Need to get back to holding people accountable for actions at some point.

I always figured it was only a matter of time before a nascar driver got seriously hurt doing this same thing.

8/10/2014 1:25:11 PM

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"Need to get back to holding people accountable for actions at some point."

seriously ... what in the good holy fuck was he thinking.

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"You can hear him rev his engine to "scare" the kid, then lost control. Some sort of homicide at the least."

it's equally likely, he saw some dude walking at his car "in the way" and tried to turn left to go around him, unfortunately since it's a dirt track his wheels slipped to the right instead of just immediately taking his car left as would happen on an asphalt track.

whole situation is dumb, this is entirely the kid who got out of his cars fault, regardless of how much it sucks he died, for being a moron

8/10/2014 1:37:43 PM

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"Anyway, his career is done."

No way. It will hit him in a day or two that he killed a dude, whether accidental or not. He'll deal with it and move on in a few months. He already tried to race today, but more level headed people talked him out of it.

8/10/2014 1:43:05 PM

in a few months he will have a ton of positive press about how this changed his life

8/10/2014 1:46:40 PM

^^I don't know...I mean I'm sure Tony Stewart doesn't want his career to end. But it may not be up to him in this case.

8/10/2014 1:51:51 PM

^Plenty of racers have been involved in fatal wrecks and didn't die and went on doing things like they always did.

8/10/2014 2:04:10 PM

That was a pretty gnarly wreck there

8/10/2014 2:46:48 PM

i posted this in the garage thread:

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"should we keep the discussion here or in the nascar thread? im too lazy to follow two- also i feel bad for tony stewart; you have to be seriously disturbed to think he maliciously killed someone in front of thousands of spectators. the kid was dumb, god rest his soul, and people die in racing related accidents all the time. ricky rudd spin in the pits 1990, kills a pit crew member. richard petty drag racing in 1965 kills a six year old boy, southeastern dragway. 1999 john paul jr (indy car) crash debris kills three in the stands at charlotte. this list could be a mile long, but im going to stop because racing is dangerous, accidents happen, and the only way to make it safe is to ban it. OR you can try to make it safe by following the rules; for example stay in your car until the safety crew reaches it (unless its on fire). the assholes calling for stewarts head are just the kind of dumb fuckers that take this too seriously and hate him for other reasons. he isnt your favorite driver, boo hoo, in similar circumstances your favorite driver would be innocent, etc. get over yourselves."

8/10/2014 3:40:43 PM

Same track that he caused a wreck which left a 19 year old driver with a compression fracture in her back last year.

8/10/2014 4:22:23 PM

These last few laps have been real exciting. Allmendinger and Ambrose really going at it. Fun to watch.

[Edited on August 10, 2014 at 5:18 PM. Reason : as]

8/10/2014 5:18:36 PM

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"So at no point the kid is held responsible for walking out on a dark dirt track with a black suite and approaching moving vehicles?"

It would be different if that had caused the incident, but I'm fairly confident that this wasn't a case of Stewart not seeing him.

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"Need to get back to holding people accountable for actions at some point."

My God, the irony of that statement.

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"I always figured it was only a matter of time before a nascar driver got seriously hurt doing this same thing."

Um, it had already happened. Just last year. To Tony Stewart, for that matter. Not that I blame anyone who weighs the risks and decides to race small-time series like dirt track stuff. It's their prerogative, barring any contracts they agree to otherwise (which are also their prerogative).

8/10/2014 5:35:30 PM

On that last point, I think he was referring specifically to someone walking on the track to confront another driver and being hit.

8/10/2014 6:17:24 PM

^yes that was what I was saying.

^^ you can have your opinion, you don't know what Stewart did and didn't see(amazed by your certainty), and as sad as it is doesn't change that he was walking up to a moving vehicle during a race. Stewart can certainly hold blame but if the kid stayed in his car like you are suppose to it doesn't happen and that is on him.

8/10/2014 7:06:52 PM

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"Maybe I am blind, but I do not see where Tony's car goes to the right. It looks like his car kicks to the left from the force of hitting the guy."

you have to watch the video with the sound on. tony gets on the gas for about a second, this causes the car to kick the rear tires out to the right(you cant see this part). next you see the car hit the guy and then the car catches traction and goes back straight.

8/10/2014 8:18:27 PM

he gets on the gas to try to turn the car left and go around him as he's walking at the car. On dirt, that doesn't work so well

8/10/2014 8:27:18 PM

and how is everyone so positive that sound is Tony

The dude filimg it is on the straight away...not in that curve.

There's no telling where that sound came from.

8/10/2014 9:39:02 PM

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"You can hear him rev his engine to "scare" the kid, then lost control. Some sort of homicide at the least."

No, no you cant. This is amateur video from across the race track. It is impossible to hear the sound of the engines on the backstretch over the sound of the cars on the frontstretch...there is no way that camera picked up that audio with that much noise so much closer to it.

8/10/2014 9:39:45 PM

http://www.motorsport.com/sprint/news/yes-tony-stewart-did-run-over-a-fellow-driver-who-was-killed-but-know-the-whole-story/

This is a good article discussing the situation and gives a different perspective from someone who knows a lot about the sport, and those cars in general.

Also I'm not sure he saw the kid. As the article says, it was a poorly lit track, dark fire suit and helmet, and poor visibility out of the car.

Here is a look of the right side of the car where Tony would have been looking out of. Not a lot of visibility.

8/10/2014 10:33:34 PM

Anyone that says with certainty one thing or the other is crazy.

I do think its sad that there are people out there rushing to judgement because of what they think they know about the sport or what they think they saw when they literally know nothing about the sport and haven't seen enough to make a judgement.

As others have said there are a few key things that you must take into account.

1. Kid shouldn't have run down the track. Obvious.
2. It is very possible Tony didn't see the kid until it was too late. Dim lighting, dark track, dark firesuit/helmet, kid shouldn't have been there so Tony prolly wasn't expecting him to be there.
3. Anyone that says he got on the gas because they could "hear" it is an idiot. As others have pointed out, this dude is recording with a home camera or camera phone from all the way across the track. That sound of an engine could have, and likely did, come from any car on the front stretch at that time. It just so happens to time up shortly before Tonys car comes into picture.
4. Anyone that says that Tony could have missed him if he wanted to is also an idiot. You have no clue what Tony saw, how the car handles, how fast he was going to catch up with the field, etc. To say with certainty one thing or the other proves that you are dumb because you just don't know. Nobody KNOWS. Those of us that are trying to be objective about this are just throwing out the likely probabilities of what happened.

8/11/2014 12:19:06 AM

I am not a big NASCAR expert, but why was he in that crappy race to begin with? Is this like the equivalent of a pick up game or something?

8/11/2014 2:14:24 AM

shit DPÜ

[Edited on August 11, 2014 at 2:16 AM. Reason : d]

8/11/2014 2:14:24 AM

Tony loves racing and dirt racing especially. He bought an old track and fixed it up and hosts the truck series Midsummer Classic at Eldora every year he loves dirt racing so much. He said in an interview that some people love to go to movies or hang out with their families...he loves to race, so that's what he does. Dude doesn't have a wife, doesn't have kids. He just races.

8/11/2014 3:53:43 AM

win to get in the chase success story yesterday. it was cool that ambrose and the dinger were racing hard for that chase spot. i was happy for AJ

8/11/2014 7:55:35 AM

That "crappy race" aka sprint car dirt racing is a lot more exciting than the shitty product that is NASCAR.

8/11/2014 9:22:18 AM

I did not know that dude, did not know that.

8/11/2014 9:40:04 AM

http://motorsportstalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/13/driver-who-witnessed-tragedy-tony-stewart-did-everything-in-his-power-to-avoid-kevin-ward-jr/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs

Comments from a driver that was only a few spots behind Stewart on the track that night.

8/14/2014 8:36:39 PM

does anyone honestly think that Stewart intentionally plowed the guy over?


To lighten the mood, I went to an AMA Flat Track (dirt oval motorcycles) race last Friday night as part of the MotoGP weekend in Indianapolis. The track is the Indiana State Fairgrounds, a 1-mile dirt oval. Here's the race on Youtube if you're interested. Race starts at 9:50.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnfnXxvut9Y

[Edited on August 14, 2014 at 9:11 PM. Reason : .]

8/14/2014 9:08:13 PM

looks like Talladega for dirt bikes, haha

8/14/2014 9:29:02 PM

The main got a little strung out (25 laps so you'd expect that). In the heat races and semis there was more variation in the lines bikes ran. What surprised me was they never watered the track down once the heat races started.

Marc Marquez (who so far this year in MotoGP has won 10 out of 10 races) and Nicky Hayden (former MotoGP World Champion from Owensboro, Kentucky) were in attendance and talked to by the PA announcer.

I'd been wanting to go to a Flat Track race. Never been to one before Friday night.

[Edited on August 14, 2014 at 10:08 PM. Reason : /]

8/14/2014 10:06:59 PM

Big Daddy on the pole at over 206mph.

tires going to last a fuel run or what? 2014 will go down in history as the "fastest" year no doubt

8/16/2014 8:33:58 AM

Woot Gordon!

8/17/2014 4:11:15 PM

big papa no stoppa

8/17/2014 4:13:51 PM

career win 91, anyone think he could hit a hundred? (2nd all-time is David Pearson with 105 which I think is just out of reach even if Gordon races 6 more years)

8/17/2014 6:12:53 PM

Since we're talking about non-NASCAR stuff on this page, is anyone else planning on going to the Wake County speedway on Friday? They are hosting USAC Eastern Midgets, if they don't get rained out for a second time!

8/17/2014 8:40:58 PM

Milka Duno going to try to run the NW race at Bristol Friday night. This will end badly me thinks

[Edited on August 20, 2014 at 12:56 PM. Reason : n]

8/20/2014 12:55:26 PM

i'm definitely going to dvr all nw tv coverage. How she got approved (besides $$$$) I don't know.

8/20/2014 3:13:11 PM

well, Morgan Shepherd is approved

her finish on small ovals in Indycar was either DNF due to "Handling" or straight up black flag for too slow, although there will be more cars on the track, more cautions, and stock cars are slower that will allow her to hide on the track more

[Edited on August 20, 2014 at 4:57 PM. Reason : .]

8/20/2014 4:52:34 PM

Milka duno....lol. look up her races on youtube. Wrecks someone in almost every race.

In cooler news, Chase Elliott was in Raleigh at a NAPA store and my parents got to meet him

8/20/2014 6:00:33 PM

A buddy I worked for in sportscars where Duno first popped up prior to going to Indycars, actually has a higher opinion of her than most. (Drivers like Duno are incredibly normal in sportscars.) He was though in the pit area one time and Duno asked him if he could zip up her firesuit prior to a race. Said she had an awesome body. She's a little older now.

First time I ever heard of her was "The Race of a Thousand Years" held in Adelaide, Australia, on December 31st, 2000. She was in a private Viper that race and the local press ate her up.

[Edited on August 20, 2014 at 10:24 PM. Reason : .]

8/20/2014 10:21:33 PM

Milka was too slow to even make the NW race

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"Agitated by the developments, Busch complained repeatedly via the No. 18 team radio about his car's condition. "I need a whole new right front suspension, a whole new right front suspension," Busch said. "I will be behind the wall in about two (expletive) laps." Busch's tirade eventually produced this response from crew chief Dave Rogers: "Park it behind the truck and take your whiny little ass to the bus.""

Driver intro songs at Bristol courtesy of jeff Gluck:

Jamie McMurray: "Wild Side" / Motley Crue
Brad Keselowski: "Turn Down For What" / DJ Snake and Lil Jon
Austin Dillon: "The Stroke" / Billy Squire
Kevin Harvick: "Pass a Beer" / Jake Owen
Kasey Kahne: "Tubthumping" / Chumbawamba
Michael Annett: "Bernie Dance"/ATM & IMD
Marcos Ambrose: "Highway to Hell" / AC/DC
Danica Patrick: "Somethin' Bad" / Miranda Lambert and Carrie Underwood
Denny Hamlin: "0 to 100"/Drake
Casey Mears: "American Kids"/Kenny Chesney
Jeff Burton: "Bartender Song (Sittin' at a Bar)"/Rehab with Hank Williams Jr.
Clint Bower: "Whiskey River"/Willie Nelson
Greg Biffle: "Changes"/David Bowie
Ricky Stenhouse Jr.: "Ain't Goin' Down ('Til the Sun Comes Up)"/Garth Brooks
Kyle Busch: "Rowdy Busch"/Raytona 500
Matt Kenseth: "1000hp"/Godsmack
Joey Logano: "O Fortuna"/Carl Orff
Alex Bowman: "Gangsta's Paradise"/Coolio Featuring L.V.
Jeff Gordon: "Moonshine in the Trunk"/Brad Paisley
Cole Whitt: "Tell the World"/Lecrae
Paul Menard: "The Trooper"/Iron Maiden
Ryan Newman: "Lettin' the Night Roll"/Justin Moore
David Ragan: "Bad Boys"/Inner Circle
JJ Yeley: "Welcome to the Jungle"/Guns N' Roses
David Gilliland: "Small Town Throwdown"/Brantley Gilbert Featuring Justin Moore and Thomas Rhett
Kurt Busch: "Outlaws Like Me"/Justin Moore
Kyle Larson: "Good Times Bad Times"/Led Zeppelin
Aric Almirola: "Hot Dog!"/They Might Be Giants
AJ Allmendinger: "Here Comes The Boom"/Nelly
Jimmie Johnson: "Good Times Roll"/The Cars
Justin Allgaier: "My Songs Know What You Did in the Dark"/Fall Out Boy
Brian Vickers: "Beast of Burden"/The Rolling Stones
Martin Truex Jr.: "The Outsiders"/Eric Church
Ryan Truex: "Dammit"/Blink-182
Joe Nemechek: "Friends in Low Places"/Garth Brooks
Dale Earnhardt Jr.: "Mountain Song"/Jane's Addiction
Michael McDowell: "Thrive"/Casting Crowns
Carl Edwards: "Lettin the Night Roll"/Justin Moore
Dave Blaney: "Seven Nation Army"/White Stripes
Landon Cassill: "Introducing the Icon"/Riff Raff
Brett Moffitt: "Crazy Train"/Ozzy Osbourne
David Stremme: "Ready Set Roll"/Chase Rice
Josh Wise: "The Distance"/Cake

8/24/2014 8:35:16 AM

southern 500 back on labor day the way god intended it.

also less chance of snow at the bristol spring race...

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"With Darlington moving to Labor Day, Atlanta takes over as the second points race of the year, one week after the Daytona 500. Other changes: Phoenix moves from the second race of the year to the fourth. Bristol moves back five weeks, from mid-March to mid-April. Kentucky moves from one week before the July Daytona race until one week after. What's your dream NASCAR schedule? Our experts weigh in Charlotte and Kansas trade fall dates. Surprisingly, perhaps, there are no changes in the tracks used for the Chase for the Sprint Cup. The last time a new track was added to the Chase was 2011, when Chicagoland Speedway replaced Auto Club Speedway. 2015 Sprint Cup Series Schedule Saturday, Feb. 14 -- Sprint Unlimited, FOX Sunday, Feb. 15 -- Daytona 500 Qualifying, FOX Thursday, Feb. 19 -- Duel, FOX Sports 1 Sunday, Feb. 22 -- Daytona 500, FOX Sunday, March 1 -- Atlanta, FOX NASCAR unveils 2015 schedules for Nationwide, Truck Series Sunday, March 8 -- Las Vegas, FOX Sunday, March 15 -- Phoenix, FOX Sunday, March 22 -- California, FOX Sunday, March 29 -- Martinsville, FOX Sunday, April 5 -- Off Saturday, April 11 -- Texas, FOX Sunday, April 19 -- Bristol, FOX Saturday, April 25 -- Richmond, FOX Sports 1 Sunday, May 3 -- Talladega, FOX Saturday, May 9 -- Kansas, FOX Sports 1 Saturday, May 16 -- Sprint All-Star, FOX Sports 1 Sunday, May 24 -- Charlotte, FOX Sunday, May 31 -- Dover, FOX Sports 1 Sunday, June 7 -- Pocono, FOX Sports 1 Sunday, June 14 -- Michigan, FOX Sports 1 Sunday, June 21 -- Off Sunday, June 28 -- Sonoma, FOX Sports 1 Sunday, July 5 -- Daytona, NBC Saturday, July 11 -- Kentucky, NBCSN Sunday, July 19 -- New Hampshire, NBCSN Sunday, July 26 -- Indianapolis, NBCSN Sunday, August 2 -- Pocono, NBCSN Sunday, August 9 -- Watkins Glen, NBCSN Sunday, August 16 -- Michigan, NBCSN Saturday, Aug. 22 -- Bristol, NBCSN Sunday, Aug. 30 -- Off Sunday, Sept. 6 -- Darlington, NBC Saturday, Sept. 12 -- Richmond, NBCSN Sunday, Sept. 20 -- Chicagoland, NBCSN Sunday, Sept. 27 -- New Hampshire, NBCSN Sunday, Oct. 4 -- Dover, NBCSN Saturday, Oct. 10 -- Charlotte, NBC Sunday, Oct. 18 -- Kansas, NBC Sunday, Oct. 25 -- Talladega, NBCSN Sunday, Nov. 1 -- Martinsville, NBCSN Sunday, Nov. 8 -- Texas, NBC Sunday, Nov. 15 -- Phoenix, NBC Sunday, Nov. 22 -- Homestead, NBC"

8/26/2014 7:58:01 PM

20 races on either fox sports 1 or nbcsn. Yikes!

8/26/2014 8:08:31 PM

That's the only reason they both bid so high. To get their sports channels viewership.

8/26/2014 8:12:46 PM

dude on the fence:
http://youtu.be/Mrpz5TRLMb4?t=2m26s

nice mullet

so the chase starts next week. i am going to laugh when their scheme backfires and Jr gets wrecked out of the chase at dega



[Edited on September 7, 2014 at 10:20 AM. Reason : b]

9/7/2014 10:08:16 AM

THANKS TOWN OF HILLSBOROUGH!

http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/09/20/4164746_hillsborough-has-key-place-in.html?rh=1

Talladega could have been right here in the Triangle area.

9/21/2014 1:32:32 PM

exciting race at NHMS was exciting.

going to be a clusterfuck in the points at Dover. 16th place is only 10 points behind 12th.

9/21/2014 6:07:20 PM

^

9/21/2014 6:39:52 PM