This praise for Keyser is so undeserved. All he's shown to me today is bad throw selection and he stands in place holding the ball too long.

10/8/2016 3:56:38 PM

Woooo we won in spite of our dumbass coach

10/8/2016 3:58:22 PM

Wooooooooo! Huge program win, hurricane party!

10/8/2016 3:59:31 PM

ND spent top much time on that drive and burned a timeout . Huge for us.

This is a top 50 team for sure. Borderline top 35-40 if we had better coaching

Unfortunately fsu, Louisville clemson gauntlet is just brutal this year. Would be great if we could pull off one win somehow... I'd give us about a 20-25% chance at getting one win this team isn't bad at all.

10/8/2016 3:59:40 PM

We would be 5-0 if not for poor clock management against ECU. This might actually be a good team.

Until we lose 3 of the next 4 games.

[Edited on October 8, 2016 at 4:02 PM. Reason : -]

10/8/2016 3:59:52 PM

I'm pretty sure DD is the only thing preventing our program from winning a national title

10/8/2016 4:01:48 PM

LOL we own ND.

10/8/2016 4:03:02 PM

Yay we win

10/8/2016 4:03:24 PM

since UNC is not our rival, can we stake claim to ND as our new conference rival?

10/8/2016 4:11:28 PM

Kelly's play calling was stubborn and ultimately abhorrent but I still can't get over that pitch play to Gallaspy.

10/8/2016 4:12:53 PM

^Agree, loved 99% of play calling today except that and punting on last possession.


Great win but can't have any mistakes next 2 weeks

10/8/2016 4:15:51 PM

Yea, the play calling overall was pretty good. I'll admit and McClendon did a great job. I just can't understand that one in any way.

10/8/2016 4:20:59 PM

Well it took a hurricane but we will probably make a bowl game now at least

10/8/2016 4:22:48 PM

it's not crazy to think State may go the rest of the season without another win

[Edited on October 8, 2016 at 4:32 PM. Reason : dfas]

10/8/2016 4:32:28 PM

its very crazy to think that

10/8/2016 4:36:45 PM

What?? State will beat both Syracuse and BC. Probably lose the rest. FSU has a horrible D and UNC does too. Those games are like 25% winnable for us.

10/8/2016 4:48:04 PM

Nice win for the pack. If we can just take care of business against Clemson and UL next two weeks, we are gonna be in a really good position to make the acc championship game

[Edited on October 8, 2016 at 4:52 PM. Reason : .]

10/8/2016 4:52:30 PM

Hard to beat Clemson. They are straightly 6-0 now.

10/8/2016 5:02:42 PM

^^ ...

...where's Jim Mora when you need him?

[Edited on October 8, 2016 at 5:07 PM. Reason : .]

10/8/2016 5:07:01 PM

Winning @Clemson?? Get out of here, longest home winning streak in the NCAA I believe.

We have a shot against FSU(they seem somewhat beatable), and gotta have the BC and Cuse games. Think losing to ECU is going to be a big deal later in the year when we're sweating a bowl game.

10/8/2016 5:18:15 PM

^Winning streaks gotta end sometime...

Plus they get FSU after we play them, so maybe they will look pass the wittle little wolfpack and get upsetttttttttt

10/8/2016 5:26:43 PM

the ecu loss won't matter at all. we don't want to overplay our bowl game and end up with a repeat of what happened last year.

10/8/2016 5:37:47 PM

Lol at expecting to win UL or Clemson games

10/8/2016 5:39:44 PM

we just beat a 2-4 team. anything is possible now.

10/8/2016 5:43:50 PM

There's almost nothing that you can really take away from this game with regards to the quality of our team. The conditions were so extreme it's basically a toin coss if the teams are in the same quartile of talent.

It's a nice make up for the lost to ECU since most people thought this would be a likely loss at the start of the year, ND just turned out not to be a top 25 team after all.

How well we play in these next 5 games will make or break the season. Chalk up @LOU and @CLEM as losses. If we get 2 wins out of FSU, BC, and @SYR we make a bowl, if we only get 1 we likely don't.

10/8/2016 5:58:52 PM

Well we dominated the line of scrimmage so we can take that away. It's certainly true the conditions played in our favor as it killed their vertical passing game and we don't have one so that was no big deal for us.

Dayes looked as dangerous as ever but he definitely had a few nice running lanes, it wasn't all him.

I do credit doeren for eventually realizing Mc London needed to be in instead of Finley in this type of game

10/8/2016 6:25:05 PM

I took from this game that both coaches did a terrible job. Seemed like they both got to the field and were like "oh it's raining...umm.. should we adjust? No..."

10/8/2016 6:56:33 PM

^

10/8/2016 7:19:58 PM

^^are you sure you watched the right game?

10/8/2016 7:59:47 PM

Yeah DD and Drinkwitz obviously adjusted. McClendon got more snaps than Finley in the 2nd half. We basically abandoned the pass when it became clear it was fruitless.

10/8/2016 8:09:34 PM

Seriously? Both teams used the wrong QB for the conditions. Both coaches made horrible decisions in situations regarding field position and special teams. Even the announcers made several comments about the decisions both coaches made throughout the game. Glad we won but both coaches did a poor job in preparation and in game decisions.

10/8/2016 8:21:40 PM

The result of textile bowl AKA VSCLE is 1-11 since 2004. And last yr is a loss at home.

The year before last is 0-41 at Clemson.
This yr is the homecoming game for Clemson.

10/8/2016 9:09:16 PM

Until the 4th quarter punt, what bad field position decision did they make?

And that announcer was the only person in the world more puss than DD, he was begging DD to punt early when he went for it on 4th and got it.

Also finley was playing well early, when that stopped being effective they used McLendon more.

I mean jeez I was coming out of that annoyed at some of the decision making but not to your level.

Here are the key things in was annoyed by with coaches:
1) flea flicker to start in that weather??
2) taking the hot hands out (McLendon/dayes) on 3rd and goal to run a toss play (in that weather and to a backup rb)
3) the ineligible receiver call just counts as a type of mistake you would typically blame on poorly coached/prepared players
4)not going for it on 4th late in the 4th: had shown the ability to get 2 yards, punting very risky, and even the result was only mediocre in that we only gained 20 yards of field position

Other than those 4 items (2 of which were admittedly very costly) I was quite happy with offensive play calling/ddecision making.

10/8/2016 9:11:23 PM

Other than those 4 decisions? Seriously? First off, several of those are before the 4th quarter so you contradict yourself already.

It was a game where 6 points was going to get you the win. In this type of game every decision by a coach is extremely important. In a typical game your margin for error is much greater, not in these conditions, your dumb decisions can be the difference. Did McClendon take a snap in the first half? How do you not already have him prepared early? Open the game with a trick play? Take out your best player for a backup RB on the goal line to run a pitch play? Before that replace the QB that just moved you 80 yards to run an option with the QB that doesn't run in bad weather? Why because on the play before he didn't gain anything?

On the flip side, ND kicks a FG and then goes from it from the same spot after just making it? They threw the ball an insane number of times in the conditions totally ineffectively. The number of shotgun plays by both teams ran? Get your QB under center. Both teams used the exact same punt formations they use in standard conditions, no adjustment? Came back to bite ND. Hurt NCSU as well. Even in high school we made snap and punt formation adjustments based on weather. It was like both coaches were just being stubborn and refusing to acknowledge they were playing in a hurricane. ND threw the ball 26 fucking times. In a hurricane.

I get coaches make decisions in a typical game you can second guess, but why are you backing either coach on how this game went? Did you watch the game? Entertaining yes, but overall the game was horrendous. Both coaches made some adjustments at halftime, as if they didn't know they were going to play in a hurricane everyone knew was coming over a week ago.

10/8/2016 9:35:01 PM

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"Other than those 4 decisions? Seriously? First off, several of those are before the 4th quarter so you contradict yourself already."

I specifically asked about field position decisions. What other bad field position decisions did you want to point out?

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"It was a game where 6 points was going to get you the win. In this type of game every decision by a coach is extremely important. In a typical game your margin for error is much greater, not in these conditions, your dumb decisions can be the difference. Did McClendon take a snap in the first half? How do you not already have him prepared early? Open the game with a trick play? Take out your best player for a backup RB on the goal line to run a pitch play? Before that replace the QB that just moved you 80 yards to run an option with the QB that doesn't run in bad weather? Why because on the play before he didn't gain anything?"

You said the entire game was poorly coached, now you only mention the FOUR plays (out of how many??) that i mentioned and not playing jalan earlier. Which, btw, finley threw a td pass on the first drive. If not for that dumb penalty, we take an early dominant lead.

You cant play Mclendon the whole game if you wont let him try to throw (besides swing passes

10/8/2016 10:07:25 PM

I would have trusted McClendon throwing down the field more than I would have Finley.

And why sub Finley back in inside the 10? That was a boneheaded call. McClendon should have played the entire second half, Finley was useless as his lack of arm strength showed on every pass he lofted up into that wind.

10/9/2016 8:54:50 AM

Read the coaches didn't trust McClendon to take snaps under center and needed the QB under center for the plays they wanted to run.

I was more disappointed that Finley ran the read-option, made the right read, had a lane for the TD, and just dove to avoid any contact instead of trying to make the endzone.

10/9/2016 11:33:34 AM

Yeah his dive was perfect for an nfl qb who can expect to slide into the end zone or at least inches from it..but it was just a give up play by a college qb who looked scared of getting hit. A touchdown was way too important in that situation not to sell out for it. And to cap it off with a blown toss play that had almost 0% chance of working anyway was just gross.

I don't understand why we don't run the naked bootleg to the backside on 3rd and goal there. Great chance the defender gets stopped in his tracks and can't adjust given the field condictions.

Can also give him a tight end on a fake block and release play. Either play has a lot of merit. Toss play has zero merit due to the low chance of success and increased turnover potential. Just an all around poor decision.

The decision to punt was absolutely egregious given the score, situation, field conditions, and our success picking up short yardage all game. Egregious. Our chances of winning the game dropped a full 5% on that decision alone. We had a chance to put the game away right there. They got awfully close to blocking that punt and the 20 yards of field position was worthless because we decided to play prevent anyway and just gave them the yards for free.

We had an opportunity to put the game nearly out of reach with a first down there on 4th and 1. There was almost zero upside to punoting.

At the very least take the delay of game to improve our chance of pinning them. This play reminded me of TOB blowing the Clemson game and our ACC title game appearance with that 6 yard punt which he had the audacity to blame the punter for. Poor kicking is part of the college game. It's like designing a middle school basketball team offense around the 3pt shot and then getting mad they aren't shooting a high percentage

10/9/2016 12:19:02 PM

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"And why sub Finley back in inside the 10? That was a boneheaded call. McClendon should have played the entire second half, Finley was useless as his lack of arm strength showed on every pass he lofted up into that wind."

As I understood it, the QB choices were affected by which direction they were moving with or against the wind. Finley was in when the wind was in their favor and McC when it wasn't.

10/9/2016 12:49:26 PM

we couldn't trust mcclendon to hand off the football so when finley came in you knew it was going to a running back. Mcclendon was just running the wildcat. What I can't understand is why samuels didn't get any wildcat action. I guess they wanted to make sure he didn't get hurt.

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"Get your QB under center."

When you are under center, every bad snap is a 50/50 fumble. When you're in shotgun, the qb can adjust to the bad snap to catch it (this happened all game) and even when he fumbles the snap, the defense is far away so he has extra time to recover.

Kelly should have tried a different center. This one missed every snap.

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"A touchdown was way too important in that situation not to sell out for it."

Not worth fumbling or getting our qb hurt.

The toss plays, flea flicker, and options were the worst calls because those are risky in great conditions. Too much can go wrong. We were extremely lucky to recover that toss.

[Edited on October 9, 2016 at 1:06 PM. Reason : j]

10/9/2016 12:57:45 PM

Lets get dat Clemson thread up. Its time to get Serial up n her.

10/9/2016 4:54:38 PM

^Sure, get hyped to watch us lose by 2-3 TDs. Sounds like fun.

10/9/2016 8:10:48 PM

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"Dave Doeren has marked himself safe during Hurricane Matthew, Oct 8"

sav

10/9/2016 8:11:54 PM

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"When you are under center, every bad snap is a 50/50 fumble."

Despite going against first rule of sports talk.. here I go..

As someone who played center most of my life growing up in both shotgun and under center offenses, I don't get why they would think the chance is that high of a messed up exchange in those conditions. It is much more likely something goes wrong on the shotgun snap in those conditions. As a center I have a much easier time of getting the ball to the qb under center. To put it as simple as possible, would you rather hand someone something between your legs, or throw it to them between your legs? Now get pounded in the face with mud and rain and wind with the thing you are passing being wet.

The center/QB exchange is something that should be second nature to players at this level. Maybe people haven't played football, or haven't played the center/QB position. But it is the most basic thing done at all levels. It is practiced constantly. In bad conditions it is still easier to make that happen. So I find it hard to believe McClendon couldn't be trusted under center to take a snap. Anyway, I digress, both these coaches were excellent way to go they should both get contract extensions.

10/9/2016 8:20:09 PM

I have a hard time believing college coaches are THAT bad. Perhaps it is easier for the center and more difficult for the qb? I'm imagining it being more difficult for the qb after he gets the ball from under center to

a. hold on to the football while dropping back and looking up field
b. quickly make a 3 step drop in a pond of water
c. survey the field and feel the pass rush while doing a and b.

it seems like from shotgun, qbs were able to have a buffer from the pass rush and could afford to fumble the snap, catch the bad snap and still have time to recover.

10/9/2016 8:39:50 PM

I don't think the coaches are that bad I just think they can be that stubborn. "This is how we do things and we aren't changing for no defense, or rain, or hurricane."

10/9/2016 9:24:07 PM

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"As I understood it, the QB choices were affected by which direction they were moving with or against the wind. Finley was in when the wind was in their favor and McC when it wasn't."

Noodle Arm Finley was ineffective no matter which way the wind was blowing because all his passes are lofted up in the air. You can't be remotely accurate throwing like that.

10/9/2016 9:37:28 PM

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"Sure, get hyped to watch us lose by 2-3 TDs. Sounds like fun."

Some of you guys are a bunch of Ms. Deby Downeys. seriously. What's the point of sport, if not to get super excited to go play a top team, and hope that maybe, just maybe, you can pull it off?

And its not like we are super duper shitty or something. We are 4-1. That's just 1 less win than Clemson. (edit: well its 2 because we had a bye week a couple weeks ago and clemson hasn't had a bye week yet, but you know what I mean).

Let me rephrase though. We have lost one more game than Clempson has. I mean, that's pretty good.

10/9/2016 9:41:57 PM

Given the weather, was our game the most talked about college game on Saturday?

10/10/2016 9:21:16 AM

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"Some of you guys are a bunch of Ms. Deby Downeys. seriously. What's the point of sport, if not to get super excited to go play a top team, and hope that maybe, just maybe, you can pull it off?"

Will I watch? Yes.
Do I hope we win? Hell Yes.
Do I think we'll win? No.
Am I going to get all pumped up this week just to lose and get deflated? Hell No.

Even in years we had better teams, we haven't done well in Death Valley, Clemson just plays great at home. If we were playing them here, sure, maybe a chance at an epic upset. This is top 5 team we're going on the road to play. It would be great to win, but I'm not going to build up my hope because of an inflated 4-1 record(hell we could be 5-0 with our schedule and I'd project us to lose the next 2 games by a combined 30+ points).

Just be competitive and stay healthy the next 2 games while trying to improve. We're about to play 2 top 10 teams(I'd say top 5 teams really) on the road, both with Heisman-candidate QBs. This isn't going to be pretty, this is probably going to hurt, but don't add to the pain by hyping it up and convincing yourself we should win these games.

10/10/2016 9:47:59 AM