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2/10/2009 10:42:18 AM

http://bustersports.com/accposts.aspx?id=2546&blogid=77

I wrote a piece seven days ago about how the week N.C. State had just concluded – a win over Miami; a respectable loss to North Carolina - was progress.

The intent was to illustrate something positive actually happened in the program instead of constantly penning the negatives that have poured from these fingertips for the last two seasons.

But this week the tone has reverted back to the negative, and with good reason.

With nearly three years of the Sidney Lowe experiment providing plenty of evidence, the take here is that it’s not working. Lowe is in his third year, and for every degree of progress shown, a more mesmerizing step backwards follows.

The latest example came Sunday when the Wolfpack blew an 18-point, second-half lead at Virginia Tech and lost, 91-87, in overtime.

This was worse than allowing UNC’s 25-0 run a year ago or falling at East Carolina last season. There were excuses within that team that lent itself to levels of wretchedness to which few ACC programs have plummeted.

But the current NCSU club is experienced and has talent. It has proven on numerous occasions that it can play with very good teams for lengthy stretches, but it always finds a way to lose. And at some point one has to stop blaming the officials, a cavernous arena that is a Godsend to the program, a lack of a point guard, and the selfishness of certain players.

At some point, one must blame the coach.

This has nothing to do with Lowe being a nice man. It has to do with the state of N.C. State’s basketball program. The team isn’t good because it doesn’t beat quality opponents. The program is worse off because there appear to be no answers in the younger classes currently on campus, and the incoming recruits aren’t locks to turn around the program.

And even if John Wall opts for the ’Pack, he’ll be gone as quickly as he arrived, and the program could be in an even deeper hole once he leaves.

This is Lowe’s program, yet most of those who receive minutes were Herb Sendek recruits. That should mean something to all evaluators. If not for Sendek hands Ben McCauley, Brandon Costner, Dennis Horner and Courtney Fells, would the ’Pack even have one victory this season?

That quartet, and in particular Costner and McCauley, are capable college players. In fact, there isn’t a program in the ACC that wouldn’t take them, and either would start for Duke and North Carolina.

So how has the ’Pack been so downright pitiful late in games?

It doesn’t believe it can win.

State blew an 11-point second-half lead at Florida and lost. Florida State closed on a 19-2 run to win in Raleigh. Duke finished its win last month on a 27-5 run. UNC closed 13-4 at the RBC Center. And the Hokies outscored State 33-15 to close out regulation Sunday. (Even Miami overcame a 16-point deficit two weeks ago, but lost)

One reason is that Lowe is constantly changing lineups to match opponents like they do in the NBA. Earth to Sid: This isn’t the NBA.

In college, you develop a personality to match your system and make teams adjust to you. He doesn’t do that. There is little consistency in playing rotations, hence the team’s lack of cohesion most of the time.

Sophomore power forward Tracy Smith played 22 minutes against Virginia Tech on Sunday, but just five earlier in the week against N.C. Central.

Senior Simon Harris has played five minutes in the last seven ACC games – all in overtime against Miami two weeks ago. And so on.

But the most egregious handling of minutes has come at point guard - Lowe’s role on the 1983 NCSU national championship team. He should be clued in to a point guard’s primary roles: get the rest of the team on the same page, and statistics go from there.

Yet, how can that happen when Lowe is juggling three point guards like some kind of Las Vegas night act? Choose one and move on, Sid!

Javie Gonzalez resurfaced Sunday and played 36 minutes in Blacksburg, Va. He had played only 16 minutes in three prior ACC appearances this season, having been banished to the end of the bench after the Duke game.

But there he was Sunday, sporting a new headband and coughing up five turnovers. He played well against N.C. Central - one of the worst teams in the nation - earlier in the week, and somehow that inspired Lowe.

The coach did the same thing last month with freshman Julius Mays, whose 13-point effort against Florida State earned him a starting spot. His time has dwindled since, and he has scored just 21 points in the seven games since facing FSU.

Then there is Degand, who was singled out a couple of times in Sunday’s pregame notes. One item noted his 16 assists and only eight turnovers in State’s last four games, the other for his growing confidence. Yet, he wasn’t in the lineup because of some apparent academic issues and - and this is absolutely true, as mind-boggling as it is - he tweaked his surgically repaired knee running in a P.E. class earlier in the week.

Yep, the starting point guard in his fourth year of college is taking P.E. during the season – not the summer like most athletes – and was injured, forcing Lowe to start Gonzalez.

Who is running the show in Raleigh? How on earth can the staff allow a key player with a bad knee to take such a course, particularly during the season? Somebody didn’t do their job.

This is how it has been all season, and really how it has been the last two seasons when Lowe has had options from which to choose.

And finally, State is 2-14 in league play in the last 12 months, which doesn’t include an ACC Tournament loss last March. So naturally, no other ACC team comes close to posting State’s 11-29 conference mark since Lowe arrived.

This isn’t a suggestion that Lowe be fired after the season. It is really just stating the obvious, and nearly three seasons into his tenure, it just isn’t working.
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now, dont get me wrong as i will state my stance as a lowe defender but unless something changes
he is losing me with his coaching style.

i hate this faggot writer with a passion but i feel A.Jones is spot on with this piece.

2/10/2009 10:44:15 AM

^There are some obvious discrepancies in that article, but it still pretty spot-on as a whole.

2/10/2009 10:54:29 AM

what does that homo say that can't be explained by our inexperience and lack of talent at the point guard position?


Its like the media writes this shit, and our fans buy into it. its getting old. I'm not saying he's wrong...he's just pointing out the obvious, and I'm saying what I've been saying for a year and a half now, give him his 4 to 5 years to turn it around, our program was not in as good of shape as people think when he took over.



[Edited on February 10, 2009 at 11:00 AM. Reason : ]

2/10/2009 10:57:49 AM

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"Sophomore power forward Tracy Smith played 22 minutes against Virginia Tech on Sunday, but just five earlier in the week against N.C. Central."

After reports came out he had tweaked his knee, this is understandable. You don't want to waste a player against NC Central, anyway.

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"Senior Simon Harris has played five minutes in the last seven ACC games – all in overtime against Miami two weeks ago. And so on."

This is a guy who should not see the court for any more than that. He came in and gave us energy when most of our team was either tired from playing 40 minutes of basketball, or in foul trouble (i believe Costner had fouled out, Tracy Smith had 4 fouls, McCauley was up there, Degand too, etc.)

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"But the most egregious handling of minutes has come at point guard - Lowe’s role on the 1983 NCSU national championship team. He should be clued in to a point guard’s primary roles: get the rest of the team on the same page, and statistics go from there. Yet, how can that happen when Lowe is juggling three point guards like some kind of Las Vegas night act? Choose one and move on, Sid!"

I think Sid knows what he has at PG and isn't very satisfied. Degand is injured, and when he's healthy enough to play he gets most of the minutes. Julius Mays isn't as seasoned as he'd like yet, so he doesn't see the court too much.

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"Javie Gonzalez resurfaced Sunday and played 36 minutes in Blacksburg, Va. He had played only 16 minutes in three prior ACC appearances this season, having been banished to the end of the bench after the Duke game. But there he was Sunday, sporting a new headband and coughing up five turnovers. He played well against N.C. Central - one of the worst teams in the nation - earlier in the week, and somehow that inspired Lowe."

With Degand out and Mays not ready, Javi has the most experience starting against ACC teams. He also had ~6 or 7 assists. Javi turned the ball over, but we didn't have anyone who could do better.

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"The coach did the same thing last month with freshman Julius Mays, whose 13-point effort against Florida State earned him a starting spot. His time has dwindled since, and he has scored just 21 points in the seven games since facing FSU."

Mays has proved that he's improving, and has shown flashes that in the future he may be a solid ACC PG, but what are you going to expect from a freshman? His scoring has been inconsistent as he is still finding himself in the offense

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"Then there is Degand, who was singled out a couple of times in Sunday’s pregame notes. One item noted his 16 assists and only eight turnovers in State’s last four games, the other for his growing confidence. Yet, he wasn’t in the lineup because of some apparent academic issues and - and this is absolutely true, as mind-boggling as it is - he tweaked his surgically repaired knee running in a P.E. class earlier in the week. Yep, the starting point guard in his fourth year of college is taking P.E. during the season – not the summer like most athletes – and was injured, forcing Lowe to start Gonzalez."

He violated a team rule and is injured. Why are you holding that against Lowe mr. Jones?

2/10/2009 11:06:10 AM

hes not arguing about the academic issue
he is asking, and i am as well, why in the hell is Degand taking a PE class during season and not during the summer when most of the student athletes take it

that is a very valid point. why would you want someone as dinged up as FD taking this class right now?
makes no sense at all

2/10/2009 11:14:31 AM

^that is a legit concern.

Is it true? Is he really taking a p.e. class during the b-ball season that requires running? Immediately after recovering from a season-ending knee injury? That's kinda retarded.

[Edited on February 10, 2009 at 11:32 AM. Reason : grammar]

2/10/2009 11:18:32 AM

very much true

2/10/2009 11:21:06 AM

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"And even if John Wall opts for the ’Pack, he’ll be gone as quickly as he arrived, and the program could be in an even deeper hole once he leaves."

wow talk about a pessimist...the guy is basically saying if we land the best freshman in the nation, it will be a bad thing

2/10/2009 11:24:59 AM

I think it's a pretty dumb comparison...but we are arguably worse this year than we were last year after JJ Hickson did a one and done.

There are definitely a lot of other factors to consider...but I think he's basically saying that a great player will come in for a year, the team will improve marginally, then after he's gone it will show our teams sucks a gone and that our poor coaching is the underlying factor.

Just thinking that where he was going with it.

2/10/2009 11:27:41 AM

I'm thinking that Lowe has already landed a point guard and a big man for 2010, so John Wall for a year won't fucking matter because he's already planned for the 2010-2011 season without him. Thats what good recruiters do.

2/10/2009 11:31:26 AM

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"Thats what good recruiters do."

That's part of what good recruiters do. I think the best thing recruiters do is evaluate talent.

I'll wait and call Sidney a good recruiter until I see his recruits pan out. Overall, the results have been mixed.

2/10/2009 11:36:25 AM

We'll see. I think its been discussed enough why some of the current players we have that Lowe recruited aren't up to the level we would expect. And I've been saying it for 3 years....if the recruits that he's had time to scout, build relationships with, and bring in turn out to be the same quality as the guys he scrambled to get just because we needed bodies, then I'll be questioning his abilities to scout talent.

2/10/2009 11:45:52 AM

2/10/2009 11:49:02 AM

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"But the current NCSU club is experienced and has talent. It has proven on numerous occasions that it can play with very good teams for lengthy stretches, but it always finds a way to lose. And at some point one has to stop blaming the officials, a cavernous arena that is a Godsend to the program, a lack of a point guard, and the selfishness of certain players. At some point, one must blame the coach."

Thank you.

2/10/2009 11:52:56 AM

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"This is Lowe’s program, yet most of those who receive minutes were Herb Sendek recruits. That should mean something to all evaluators. If not for Sendek hands Ben McCauley, Brandon Costner, Dennis Horner and Courtney Fells, would the ’Pack even have one victory this season? That quartet, and in particular Costner and McCauley, are capable college players. In fact, there isn’t a program in the ACC that wouldn’t take them, and either would start for Duke and North Carolina. "

You are really quoting someone who would write this??? Yeah it is real surprising that our Upper Classmen get the most minutes/points. Starting for Duke and UNC?? who would you sit in UNC's starting five for Mccauley and Costner? UNC's starting five most likely will end up on the all ACC first and second teams Mccauley and Costner will be LUCKY to be even third team.

2/10/2009 12:00:29 PM

^^I'm one arguing with you a lot, and I don't disagree with that statement...but do you ever consider that yes, we do have talent, but we don't have the right pieces to win right now? The point guard issue is minimized by that blurb, and I don't think its fair to do so. Blame coach for not bringing one in, blame him for not developing the ones he has even though they've been injured, but for gods sake, don't act like point guard isn't a HUGE problem for this team.

[Edited on February 10, 2009 at 12:09 PM. Reason : ]

2/10/2009 12:08:21 PM

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"if the recruits that he's had time to scout, build relationships with, and bring in turn out to be the same quality as the guys he scrambled to get just because we needed bodies, then I'll be questioning his abilities to scout talent."

bingo....which is why firing a college coach should never even come into the discussion until year 4....unless there is some blatant violation.

It's ignorant to say sid hasn't made mistakes, but just as ignorant to say our lack of execution down the stretch of games is solely a product of coaching.

2/10/2009 12:18:00 PM

and what I don't get is how people can act like the Lowe supporters are retarded for thinking that way. that statement ^ is exactly how I feel about the situation, yet I come here and only post pro-Lowe stuff because the haters aren't looking at it from both sides. Its the reason this thread keeps going in circles and should be locked. If the Lowe haters were right, bring it back at the end of next season. I'll be on their bandwagon if things havent' started to get better by that point too.

2/10/2009 12:26:35 PM

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"It's ignorant to say sid hasn't made mistakes, but just as ignorant to say our lack of execution down the stretch of games is solely a product of coaching."

I would agree if we were just losing the close games like Davidson and Marquette.

But the Virginia Tech and Miami (almost) debacles are starting to really get me worried. I know we still need to give him another year or two...but he better start learning on the job a lot faster than he has done his first two and a half years.

2/10/2009 12:26:50 PM

But against Miami, we had a bad stretch where we missed some shots and miami got hot from 3....and on a couple of posessions we forced a loose ball only to have it roll right to an open 3 point shooter.


Against VT, say what you will, but the refs made that a game. VT still had to execute down the stretch and we had to choke, but if you look at it like the refs gift them 8 points, we basically gave up a 10 point lead with 12 minutes left on the road in a hostile environment. Like I say, we still had to do a lot of stuff wrong to lose, but I'm just pointing out the other perspective.

2/10/2009 12:30:25 PM

^Shit like that happens in every game. Bottom line is that we're consistently blowing huge leads.

2/10/2009 12:46:16 PM

^and another bottom line is that can't all be chalked up to the coach.



[Edited on February 10, 2009 at 1:11 PM. Reason : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCiVXigrjjQ]

2/10/2009 1:02:55 PM

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"Bottom line is that we're consistently blowing huge leads."

agreed, but in the VT game for example:

Lowe can't make free throws for them
he can't (for the most part) prevent them from throwing the ball away in the half court offense
he can't control McCauley's awkward drop step attempt at the end of regulation

He did attempt to slow the game down halfway through the 2nd and it looked like that killed our momentum...But he can hardly be blamed for that as most anyone would agree it was the right thing to do.

on the other hand there are things that have to be held mostly against the coach. For example, one thing that really annoys me is the way we can't break a press:

Guys not coming back to the ball to help break a trap
way to many cross court passes and throw aways.
guys getting trapped in corners and against the sidelines

imo, this boils down to coaching how to deal with press situations, which we clearly are not very good at.

2/10/2009 1:15:34 PM

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"and another bottom line is that can't all be chalked up to the coach."

I don't think you can look at single game situations and chalk it up to a coach. But at the end of the day you have to look at the whole body of work and it should come down to the coach.

Players have bad games and bad stretches of games. But if they had bad seasons, then they weren't good enough to be offered a scholarship or or they aren't adequately being developed. Sidney definitely needs another year or two for us to figure that out...but I'm just worried its already a foregone conclusion.

2/10/2009 1:57:07 PM

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"Sidney definitely needs another year or two for us to figure that out..."

I think the rational people on here can agree on that, at least.

2/10/2009 2:08:26 PM

^I agree with it...it just doesn't change my opinion of his coaching abilities.

So all I have is to hope that my opinion is wrong. Because as a program, it would be better if I was wrong (and I'm wrong quite often...so I'm not hoping for one of those "I told you so" moments). But if I'm right, it would be better for us as a program to get him out as soon as possible. Although it would look bad for us to get rid of a guy so early...it will probably be just as bad to see our program get closer to the Les Robinson depths of over a decade ago.

2/10/2009 2:25:42 PM

I don't have ESPN Insider, but the word over on StateFans is that Sidney Lowe is being used as an example of a bad hire in the article Doug Gottlieb has up today and Tony Bennett as the opposite of a Sid Lowe.

If someone can verify this, it would be interesting.

[Edited on February 10, 2009 at 2:38 PM. Reason : name]

2/10/2009 2:38:32 PM

That's not so surprising. IIRC Doug Gottlieb had a major hardon for Herb and crucified State fans for running him off.

2/10/2009 2:52:55 PM

So if you were an unbiased reporter, who would you have replaced Lowe with?

2/10/2009 2:55:40 PM

2/10/2009 2:56:11 PM

its true, and DG is a fucking homo and has written numerous articles about how bad of a coach or how terrible of a fanbase we are.

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"Although it would look bad for us to get rid of a guy so early...it will probably be just as bad to see our program get closer to the Les Robinson depths of over a decade ago. "

See thats where the problem with that philosophy lies. We're not heading for that. We're already there. Lowe has shown some good things on the basketball floor, and he has shown some bad things that look to be correctable should he be able to recruit the 1 and 2 positions in the next year. He's already taken a huge step in that direction with Brown and Wood, and he's got probably a 50-50 shot at landing your game changer at the 1.

Everyone says "well if his point guards are the problem then his recruitment of them is". Well, he's already landed one highly ranked point, he's close to getting another, and the 3rd for 2010 will be before all is said and done.

And lets be honest here....If Lowe hadn't already locked up a good class for 09 and gotten a GREAT jump on the 2010 classes, I'd be scared shitless of letting him stay unless we showed something on the basketball court THIS year. But since he's already ahead in recruiting, lets give him a chance to coach those guys. If he can't do it, show him the door.

2/10/2009 2:57:10 PM

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"IIRC Doug Gottlieb had a major hardon for Herb and crucified State fans for running him off."

yep and Gottlieb is just another crook. remember, he got kicked out of ND for stealing credit cards and wound up at OK State (i think)

2/10/2009 3:15:49 PM

ahahahahahhaha

The best part about all this is that I used the same shit to defend Herb Sendek.

Better Recruits
Coach isn't playing the game, players
Refs
Next Year.
etcetcetc.

Except at least with herb we did have 5 years of decent basketball.

Maybe Lowe turns it around next year, I don't think so.

2/10/2009 3:20:40 PM

Hahahaha


Mike: How did your mediocre basketball career prepare you for a mediocre broadcasting career?

Doug Gottlieb: which one of us works for ESPN... hey and next time...when I you say 30 minutes or less....get here on time with my pizza.

John (Notre Dame): Doug, I lost my credit card, where were you last night?

Doug Gottlieb: Ask your Mom

Johns Mom (Notre Dame): GOTTLIEB I KNOW YOU STOLE MY SON'S CREDIT CARD!

Doug Gottlieb: (4:34 PM ET ) Ten years ago I made a mistake...and payed for it...18 years ago YOU WERE your parents mistake and they are still paying for it.

2/10/2009 3:26:23 PM

^^I hate to keep repeating myself, but i feel like i need to remind people that it took herb SIX years to make the tournament for the first time. Plenty of time to get the recruits he needed to run his system. Not three. Not four. Six! And even after he started making the tournmanet, he quickly plateued. And Herb's offense was just plain boring. Remember? Were you there?

[Edited on February 10, 2009 at 3:27 PM. Reason : ]

2/10/2009 3:27:37 PM

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"And I'm guessing you are too young to remember that most wanted him gone after year 4 and 5."

[Edited on February 10, 2009 at 3:29 PM. Reason : s]

2/10/2009 3:27:48 PM

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"See thats where the problem with that philosophy lies. We're not heading for that. We're already there. Lowe has shown some good things on the basketball floor, and he has shown some bad things that look to be correctable should he be able to recruit the 1 and 2 positions in the next year. He's already taken a huge step in that direction with Brown and Wood, and he's got probably a 50-50 shot at landing your game changer at the 1."

We're not even close to being where we were during the LRI years. A lot of that had to do with program restrictions...but our recruiting was ABYSMAL. The quality of players we had in those was not even close to what's on our team right now. We were shooting for top 150-300 talent back then. I guess Les did get lucky and get some players (or maybe he was that good at evaluating talent), so that we had enough talent to pull some games out of our ass against UNC every now and then and win a couple ACC games.

And I don't know if we'll ever get down that low because it seems that Sidney can at least recruit pretty decent (although the jury is still out on evaluating talent and so forth). But its the perception of the program that I'm worried about. It took 5 years for Herb to dig us out of that hole and another 5 years to bring us back to respectability and at least to the point where we were somewhere on the map in the college basketball world.

We'll see I guess. And I just shudder at hoping that the next two years recruiting classes will "save us." Everyone looks good on video and on paper...but somehow all that disappears once they step on our court...

2/10/2009 3:31:09 PM

sd2nc, was that what you posted really in the comments section?

2/10/2009 3:33:20 PM

^^^^ And others are tired of repeating that we were supposed to build on what we had going. Not taking another 4+ years to get back to where we were.

[Edited on February 10, 2009 at 3:34 PM. Reason : ^^]

2/10/2009 3:33:54 PM

^^, just some old IM he had from his SN chat. He's gotten ripped many times for being harsh.

2/10/2009 3:37:02 PM

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"^^^^ And others are tired of repeating that we were supposed to build on what we had going. Not taking another 4+ years to get back to where we were."

Well, ok, I can understand that.

But do you agree that, at this point, firing or running Sid out of town (or even talking shit about him on the internet) is just going to put us even deeper in the shitter?

A lot of people just need to learn to accept it: What's done is done. Herb left you. Sid was hired and is our coach. Sid runs a different system. Sid has thus far missed out on a point guard. Sid has some good recruits lined up. For the sake of Wolfpack basketball, Sid needs to be given a chance, and 2.5 years is not a decent chance. I'm just as disapointed as anyone about last season and this season so far, but talking of firing and shit-talking on the internet does nothing but harm wolfpack basketball.

[Edited on February 10, 2009 at 4:10 PM. Reason : ]

2/10/2009 3:50:24 PM

^^^you do realize the two styles of play couldn't be more polar opposites, right.....It takes alot of effort to fit a square peg in a round hole.

not to mention lowe essentially missed out on the first 2 years of recruiting and the players that decommitted after herb left.

[Edited on February 10, 2009 at 3:52 PM. Reason : .]

2/10/2009 3:52:23 PM

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"Mike: How did your mediocre basketball career prepare you for a mediocre broadcasting career? Doug Gottlieb: which one of us works for ESPN... hey and next time...when I you say 30 minutes or less....get here on time with my pizza. John (Notre Dame): Doug, I lost my credit card, where were you last night? Doug Gottlieb: Ask your Mom Johns Mom (Notre Dame): GOTTLIEB I KNOW YOU STOLE MY SON'S CREDIT CARD! Doug Gottlieb: (4:34 PM ET ) Ten years ago I made a mistake...and payed for it...18 years ago YOU WERE your parents mistake and they are still paying for it."

Best post in the thread by far. ROFL

2/10/2009 3:57:41 PM

i woke up this morning









AND SIDNEY LOWE WAS STILL OUR COACH!! FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!

2/10/2009 4:00:07 PM

^^ That is fucking hilarious

and

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"(or even talking shit about him on the internet) is just going to put us even deeper in the shitter? "

I don't believe that. This happens on every college message board across the country. We are no worse than any other fanbase (well...sometimes I think we can be the worst...but then I'll just browse some other university message boards to reassure me that we're all pretty equal).

Criticizing and talking shit will not hurt our program in the least bit because it happens everywhere else.

2/10/2009 5:16:12 PM

Well maybe if we had a coach who was winning games we wouldn't be so critical now would we?

2/10/2009 5:50:27 PM

there are not that many absolutes in life, but there are realties that have to be dealt with. in parallel, a few important things have become self-evident in the recent course of Wolfpack athletics:

- FACT: noone coaches forever
- Therefore: coaching searches will ensue sooner or later.

- FACT: the AD is ultimately responsible for finding the right people for the jobs
- Self-evident reality: This AD hasn't been that great at finding the right people for the jobs.

- My suggestions:
-- Its STILL to early to turn on Sid. I STILL think he needs more time.
-- Before it becomes time to replace Sid, and while TOB is holding the fort down, it is imperative that we replace this AD with someone more capable. Replacing a coach in a last minute situation isn't easy, and replacing an AD hastily will also not be easy.

My hope: the powers that be have already set this in motion.




[Edited on February 10, 2009 at 5:52 PM. Reason : typoz]

2/10/2009 5:52:26 PM

Boring offense?

I guess you're right. Wanting to throw my remote at the tv because our PG got a backcourt violation is a lot more entertaining then watching Evtimov practically pass in a 3pt bucket in a revenge rape of Wake Forrest in the ACCT.

Got me there.

2/10/2009 5:53:35 PM

Re: Finding the right people for the jobs?


Who has he been involved with hiring?

O'Brien
Lowe
Choboy
Olsen
Springthorpe
Stubbs/Byrne
Jordan



Who'd I miss? Anyone?

2/10/2009 5:57:18 PM