Quote :

"Theoretically based upon lawsuits for compensation of athletes, but I think UNC's argument actually helps them. If they don't have a say in academics and are more just about organizing the schools and the competitions, then lawsuits stating SA's are getting cheated could be dropped and they could say take it up with the individual universities instead of the NCAA. "

But the rules regarding athletes' amateur status are all from the NCAA. This is why there is an NCAA. All schools are governed by the same rules. If the NCAA does not respond, then they lose all their credibility with all other member schools and athletes. The only other way this can end up better than banners coming down, is if this somehow leads to athletes actually getting paid.

8/4/2016 11:55:18 AM

Yeah but they could argue it's the schools job to make sure they get their academic "compensation". They'll still have to fight some on compensation for athletes but that has nothing to do with enforcing academic rigor.

[Edited on August 4, 2016 at 12:13 PM. Reason : I just don't see this as threatening to the NCAA unless it hits the bottom line.]

8/4/2016 12:12:34 PM

It sounds great for the NCAA to say "take the lawsuits up with the schools." But then you realize it's the NCAA that is making the rules saying athletes can't be paid, not the individual schools. They can't, on one hand, say that student athletes are being "paid" via a college education in order to avoid minimum wage and other labor laws, and then, on the other, ignore when those same student athletes are being cheated out of their only actual compensation. No way that flies in the courts.

8/12/2016 8:03:49 PM

Quote :

"But then you realize it's the NCAA that is making the rules saying athletes can't be paid, not the individual schools. "

the NCAA doesn't make a single rule. the member schools make and pass all the rules. the offices of the NCAA are there for the enforcement of the rules as well as handling all of the logistics and business of getting hundreds of schools to work together.

[Edited on August 15, 2016 at 12:32 PM. Reason : .]

8/15/2016 12:31:38 PM

^ and Carolina will continue to vote for the present rules contradicting what they're doing in this case

8/15/2016 12:37:31 PM

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/judge-dismisses-ncaa-from-lawsuit-over-north-carolinas-academic-fraud

To my previous point, not saying it will work but NCAA has already managed to get itself out of one lawsuit and pushing it all on UNC

[Edited on August 15, 2016 at 12:44 PM. Reason : Link]

8/15/2016 12:44:06 PM

^ I question if the O'Bannon attorney would choose to pursue the case if the NCAA are not a defendant.

8/15/2016 12:47:27 PM

http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/article97112072.html

Gotta love the NCAA... forfeit all wins with said players.. same thing happens at UNC as it should and they drop most of their banners.. won't ever happen though so fuck those assholes.

8/23/2016 10:26:40 AM

RIP Campbell. I'm pretty sure this hit every sport they have.

8/23/2016 3:15:43 PM

the comments ... does that John Cooper guy do anything but try to troll any post ever made that is against UNCCH*? seems like every N&O article about their cheating has a dozen FB comments from him foaming at the mouth

[Edited on August 23, 2016 at 3:34 PM. Reason : ]

8/23/2016 3:34:09 PM

I can't blame anyone since the NCAA isnt going to do anything about it all people have left is to attempt to discredit and humiliate them in public forums any chance they get. If the NCAA had punished them accordingly no one would even be talking about this anymore. Instead UNC is going to be heralded as the institution who took down the NCAA instead of the piece of shit cheating asshole school who cheated for 20 years as they should be remembered.

8/24/2016 8:23:38 AM

oh we back

http://deadspin.com/ncaa-rejects-uncs-stick-to-sports-response-moves-forwa-1788201974?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

10/25/2016 4:44:18 PM

NCAA pushing back or are those just rose tinted lenses?

10/25/2016 4:49:40 PM

Lol you fucking pussies in the NCAA, why even respond? Do what you have to? Hammer them good or suck their dick and let them go.

10/25/2016 5:05:24 PM

Quote :

"Owen Good @owengood This will still end wth the NCAA cradling UNC’s scrotum and discreetly expectorating into the nearest wastebasket."

10/25/2016 5:10:54 PM

Quote :

"tom.blersch Nick Martin 10/25/16 4:17pm Thank God. A NC scandal that’s not about bathroom use. 16 Reply Collin Christopher tom.blersch 10/25/16 4:44pm It’s still a shitshow, though!"

10/25/2016 6:25:13 PM

PackPride is arguing among themselves as to whether or not the NCAA will actually do anything. Most of them seem to think this renews all interest/possibility in major sanctions.

Reddit has UNC fans coming out bragging about how UNC is gonna lawyer up and make the NCAA suck a dick, saying that this response benefits them (?)

Inside Carolina blames "the system, man"

10/26/2016 9:16:45 AM

Quote :

"In all likelihood, this entire shitshow will outlive us all. "

its sad but true

10/26/2016 11:20:37 AM

How the fuck is this investigation still going on?

10/26/2016 11:24:32 AM

Haterz gonna hate

10/27/2016 7:03:30 PM

Smurfette itt

10/27/2016 9:22:39 PM

bttt

someone fix that pic plz

NCAA meeting today with UNC

10/28/2016 3:40:38 PM

odds that UNC releases some bullshit statement today amidst all of the political hysteria?

11/9/2016 11:42:47 AM

Still nothing about their meeting on Friday?

I did see this, which I don't believe had been posted yet

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/education/unc-scandal/article110920142.html

11/9/2016 9:49:25 PM

so quick to punish notre dame. yet here we are, 4+ years later...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/801119305735639041

11/22/2016 12:55:01 PM

If only UNC was an independent

Seriously fuck the NCAA

11/22/2016 2:12:28 PM

Quote :

"In 2007, when Eric Hoots was a video coordinator for UNC-Chapel Hill’s men’s basketball team, he sent an email to Deborah Crowder, the architect of the bogus “paper” classes that existed for nearly two decades. In that message, he forwarded “AFAM Papers” to Crowder, who was the office manager for the African and Afro-American Studies department. “Thanks for the help,” he wrote. “I will see you soon... Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/education/unc-scandal/article118196463.html#storylink=cpy"

12/1/2016 12:56:45 PM

Homeboy gets paid $100k/year. He's either going to get a raise, or a really nice severance.

12/1/2016 1:20:52 PM

ok, so there's the tie to the athletic dept?

12/1/2016 1:52:16 PM

Quote :

"Joseph Jay, the lead attorney on Wainstein’s team, said UNC officials wouldn’t let the firm comment about Hoots. Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/education/unc-scandal/article118196463.html#storylink=cpy"

Huh? Since when does the entity under independent review get a say in what is reported by the investigators? SMH

12/1/2016 1:59:54 PM

^ Yeah but they might mean comment now versus during the report. I wouldn't expect a lawyer to comment on a client after it's all over and done with but........

Quote :

"Hoots was not interviewed in his role as a staff member by Wainstein or the other lawyers on his team who investigated the bogus classes. His name does not surface in the report, or in any of the hundreds of documents included as exhibits. He also has not surfaced in records made public in the NCAA’s investigation into the classes."

How do you not interview one of the academic coordinators for the basketball team?

12/1/2016 3:34:41 PM

The N&O is failing us and should force Dirty Dan Kane to stop this, or fire him.

http://chapelboro.com/town-square/columns/no-continues-failing-newspaper-need

Oh yea, this article is by Bradley Bethel, who kickstarted the "award winning (lulz)" propaganda video making excuses for the UNC athletic scandal.

12/3/2016 9:55:55 AM

^^ Having talked with people involved with the Wainstein report in various capacities, they said that it was as much of a whitewash as the rest of the so-called investigations. Faculty members at NC State who were involved in the Wainstein investigation have been furious at how much was swept under the rug. UNC never expected Wainstein to drop the emails like he did. That Wainstein wouldn't have interviewed Hoots, or been allowed to, isn't a shock. We already know from Wainstein that UNC wouldn't let them investigate any departments other than AFAM.

Yeah, I just dropped a [sources] on you




Also, UNC's "response" is beautiful in that article. "You're just a shitty newspaper!!! He's NOW involved in academics." Uhh, guys, what about in 2007? That's what matters, you dolts. Holy shit, it's horrible PR spin. Kane didn't say that UNC could ignore FERPA. He said that fucking Hoots could release his transcript. For fuck's sake, they are evil

[Edited on December 3, 2016 at 1:29 PM. Reason : ]

12/3/2016 1:22:58 PM

Roy sent out a Christmas card to all former players (KU and UNC) for apparently the first time. I wonder if it's a last push to look decent or maybe a "remember the good times" because there's a shit train coming to station soon. Or maybe he'll retire.

12/10/2016 1:04:43 PM

So the NCAA just issued another amended NOA

Quote :

"North Carolina has received another notice of allegations from the NCAA, according to multiple sources close to the situation. This new notice - the third notice of allegations in the case - could be announced as soon as this week. Sources confirm this new version reinstates aspects of the original first notice that were then altered for the amended notice. That amended notice, which was released on April 25, replaced the impermissible benefits allegation with a failure to monitor academic support charge and removed all references to the men’s basketball and football programs. UNC met with the Committee on Infractions on Oct. 28 for what was deemed a procedural hearing to review UNC's response to the amended notice of allegations. UNC's Aug. 1 response forcefully argued that the NCAA wasn't following its own constitution and bylaws. Should UNC opt to follow the protocol for the investigative process, this new amended notice of allegations resets the timeline for a resolution. The school has 90 days to respond to the notice, and the NCAA then has 60 days to provide a response to the COI, which then schedules a hearing to review and rule on the case. The case dates back to June 2014, when the NCAA announced it was reopening its 2011 examination of academic irregularities in UNC's African and Afro-American Studies (AFAM) department, issuing the first notice of allegations on May 20, 2015."

http://www.scout.com/college/north-carolina/story/1739350-ncaa-issues-unc-new-anoa?utm_source=SocialMedia&utm_medium=HootSuitePost&utm_campaign=HootSuite

Merry Christmas, ya filthy animals!

[Edited on December 21, 2016 at 10:43 AM. Reason : 1]

12/21/2016 10:42:38 AM

Glorious

12/21/2016 11:06:49 AM

Nothing's gonna happen

12/21/2016 11:12:18 AM

Ok.

Bye then.

12/21/2016 11:22:58 AM

Quote :

"Should UNC opt to follow the protocol for the investigative process, this new amended notice of allegations resets the timeline for a resolution. "

ya gotta be fuckin kidding me.

12/21/2016 11:43:11 AM

The worst part is that if the NCAA actually gets its shit together and disciplines them, all of the people actually guilty of the crimes will be long gone.

12/21/2016 11:50:30 AM

lol this is all so ridiculous

i guess unc will eventually release the redacted version of this...then we'll know what it's about?

12/21/2016 12:13:22 PM

Quote :

"The worst part is that if the NCAA actually gets its shit together and disciplines them, all of the people actually guilty of the crimes will be long gone. "

As long as they get punished...then I DGAF.

Dragging this shit out so long has really hurt their recruiting. It would have really sucked if they had won the Natty last year before being punished...but since they lost it in excruciating fashion, then it just makes it better. String this mother fuck out and then string those mother fuckers up...past and current. Fuck 'em all.

12/21/2016 12:46:22 PM

12/21/2016 1:59:56 PM

Quote :

"Dragging this shit out so long has really hurt their recruiting. "

has it really, though? i think it did at one time...but i think the brunt of this has all blown over (even with potential punishment still to come) and things seem to mostly be back to normal for their recruiting. but maybe i'm wrong.

12/21/2016 2:43:13 PM

Can someone explain what I'm reading on IC about the NCAA violating its own bylaws?

12/21/2016 2:59:37 PM

12/21/2016 3:42:19 PM

^^idk probably a buncha bullshit

12/21/2016 3:50:55 PM

^^^ I'm no expert but I think they're upset because the new NOA was released without any new information coming to the public?

The last thing I remember that was released from either UNC or the NCAA was UNC's response to the NCAA's NoA back in August, so maybe this is a response to that?

12/21/2016 4:17:02 PM

This news has cheered up what was otherwise a pretty shitty day

12/21/2016 7:56:05 PM

one more post until ginganinja's giant ass picture isn't ruining the page

12/21/2016 7:57:05 PM