I was at the game and I'm not going back and reading through all of the crap that was posted during the game but this one goes down as a neutral on Sid for me, we won but we could have just as easily lost had we not hit some key free throws and had Wake made another key shot or two. We still squandered a 20 point lead because Sid once again tried too hard to protect the lead instead of just keeping up with what got them the lead in the first place.

2/11/2009 9:58:59 PM

2/11/2009 10:05:36 PM

^^ shut the fuck up and enjoy a win.

lock this shit, for the love of god. nothing productive going on here.

[Edited on February 11, 2009 at 10:09 PM. Reason : STILL MOTHERFUCKING CREDIBLE]

2/11/2009 10:08:49 PM

I've been critical of Sid....

But I will have to say Sid deserves a lot of credit for getting the team ready to play Wake after the tough loss to VT. In the back of my mind I was expecting this team to mail it in for the rest of the season after the VT game. Let's hope they build on this win.

2/11/2009 10:20:40 PM

^ true that

if this had been like GT or somebody shitty, I wouldn't be happy about blowing another huge lead. But to have a 20 point lead on Wake was pretty incredible to start with and even though I'm not happy about losing the lead, a win against a good team is still a win against a good team

2/11/2009 10:22:47 PM

speaking of GT, the fact that they beat Wake is a good example of how competitive ACC games often are...we've been in most of our losses but you have to show up with 100% effort for 16 games

any ACC win is a good win, especially for our team right now...dont get too caught up in stats and analysis all the time, sometimes just enjoy being a fan of a team and seeing your team win (that is if you ordered it online or went to the game, since the ACC or TV contracts or whatever are gay as shit)

[Edited on February 11, 2009 at 10:27 PM. Reason : .]

2/11/2009 10:26:01 PM

Gary Hahn and Tony Haynes said that the players were visibly tired. I don't know if they could have kept playing that hard and been effective. It's a tricky situation. Do you keep playing the hard, exhausting defense, but in doing so you have to start subbing in some of the non-starters. Or do you start playing a little more conservative with your main guys still out there and hope that they can score enough against a very good Wake team to not lose a substantial portion of the lead (i.e. nothing more than 8 points). The back-to-back-to-back turnovers in a 20 some odd second span really hurt us having any chance of holding on that large of a lead. I mean bam 6 points with little clock ran off.

2/11/2009 10:29:37 PM

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"“The main thing I was trying to tell them was to stay aggressive, don't be passive. They are applying the pressure, trying to speed us up. We have an advantage and if we don't take advantage of it then we are playing right into their hands.” "

Quote from Sid after the game

He is telling them the right things, its up to the players to execute

Thankfully we held on but when you make a habit of losing large leads it definately gets in your head.

At any rate, GG Pack and GG SId

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"The back-to-back-to-back turnovers in a 20 some odd second span really hurt us having any chance of holding on that large of a lead. I mean bam 6 points with little clock ran off. "

I think it was more than 6 points off those turnovers. The only way they were scoring was off of turnovers.

[Edited on February 11, 2009 at 10:31 PM. Reason : edit]

2/11/2009 10:30:11 PM

I thought early on we needed to keep fresh bodies rotating to be able to get back on defense against wake's fast break offense...i kinda liked our success with both javi and farnold in the game at the same time...especially since javi seemed content to look for farnold to take it up court since he was doing a great job of breaking wake's press

2/11/2009 10:31:26 PM

to be fair, the lead was 20 with like 16 minutes to go.

But Wake can put points on the board in a hurry.

Sidney doesn't get plus or minus points for anything but that junk D he threw at Teague. Fucking amazing (from what I heard). Fells had to play his ass off. Too bad we couldn't do it to Rice, James, or Calathes

2/11/2009 10:32:30 PM

sid doesn't give a fuck about your plus or minus points



[Edited on February 11, 2009 at 10:33 PM. Reason : .]

2/11/2009 10:33:34 PM

I watched it and Sid definitely gets a couple +'s

With the exception of a couple short runs, which Lowe ended with timeouts, we were always either in control of the game or playing with Wake and scoring back and forth...if you give Lowe some blame for losses, he damn well better get some credit in wins

2/11/2009 10:35:09 PM

good, he shouldn't. But I'm on his side.

2/11/2009 10:35:42 PM

We came out with energy from the jump ball and played high energy ball for most of the game...it was a good win to watch, I have to give credit to the players and coaches both...Horner played like shit for a little bit but what are you gonna do

Its retarded that it wasn't televised...they would've had 250,000 people watching probably

2/11/2009 10:39:29 PM

so we win the rest of the games from here on out, save wake and unc, and we're 8-8 the the acc. enough for the tourney? probably not. but with a win or two in the acc tourney? i think so.

meh...gotta play for something.

2/11/2009 10:41:15 PM

i hate all of you...go sid

2/11/2009 11:28:31 PM

I'm liking the the header above.

We all knew the collapse was coming...and it came...The drought. The TOs. Yet somehow we prevailed. Was it the players? Was it the FTs? Was it the decent pg play? Regardless, it was a win. A glorious win against a Top10 team and an in-state rival who defeated other in-state top-10 rivals.

Damn, that feels good. It's been a while.

2/12/2009 12:21:18 AM

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"closing out games falls on the players... sid doesnt turn the ball over"

Sid also doesn't make the shots, make the great steals, take the charges either.

If Sid doesn't take blame for when we lose, he gets no credit when we win.

But in all seriousness.....I say B+ for tonight's game. Pluses were defense, CJ and Tracy playing, Horner on the bench, rebounds, free throws, and hustle. Negatives were Horner playing and the last five minutes just trying to run the clock out. Put the nail in the coffin boys so they don't even have a chance.

2/12/2009 12:50:55 AM

What does it take to get an A+? A 50 point win at Connecticut?

for real though i agree about bullshitting and trying to run out the clock late and not going for the kill but i thought lowe did a decent job of yanking horner when he started sucking but maybe i'm being generous since we got the win

2/12/2009 12:53:41 AM

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"nope, fwiw."

they weren't signed till they transfered in after sid came in, but they were recruited by herb out of high school.

2/12/2009 1:34:53 AM

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"BOAST BOAST BOAST"

2/12/2009 1:50:05 AM

where you at sid haters?

2/12/2009 1:51:06 AM

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"What does it take to get an A+? A 50 point win at Connecticut?"

Holding on to a lead? I dunno.

The problem with this game was State went from 19 up to 5, and that's such a thin margin that this game could've easily gone the other way. I think State just got lucky at the end this time. It could've been VT all over again.

Not saying Sid didn't do a good job in pulling out the win, but he needs to figure out a way to get the players to play for a full 40 minutes. We'd actually be a really solid team if that were to happen.

2/12/2009 6:30:18 AM

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"where you at sid haters?"

shit like this is why the thread is fucking 93 pages

nobody fucking wants us to lose games or lowe to be a bad coach jackass

2/12/2009 7:41:57 AM

It's just a shitty combination of us missing our open shots and the other team hitting them when the game is on the line. Wake started hitting everything around the 5 minute mark, and we were missing shots that had been falling for us all game.

The real problem is the team has no go-to guy that can get his own shot, so we look like retards when the clock is winding down and we're scrambling for a bucket. It's a combination of bad luck, bad decisions, and bad personnel (not saying they're always bad, just bad when trying to protect a lead).

Despite this, we found a way to win. Yippe do.

2/12/2009 7:47:20 AM

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"It's just a shitty combination of us missing our open shots and the other team hitting them when the game is on the line."

its just a shitty combination of them scoring more than we did

2/12/2009 8:08:02 AM

yea we gotta stop letting that happen, thats simply whats killing us

2/12/2009 8:12:56 AM

taking out horner and putting in Javi so we had two guards on the floor really helped us break their press. gg sid

2/12/2009 9:38:51 AM

I'll give Lowe credit for getting our guys to come out playing hard after one soul crushing loss after another. These late game collapses are just getting comical now though, you can more or less count on it happening in any game where we manage to build a lead. It's the only thing that this team consistently does. It looks like 20 points is the magic number that we need to lead by if we want to win a game. Let's see if we can build on this @GT, I'm not holding my breath.

2/12/2009 9:40:11 AM

SIDNEY ONLY BEAT THE #7 TEAM IN THE NATION BY 6. TERRIBLE COACH!

2/12/2009 9:59:22 AM

lock

2/12/2009 10:00:43 AM

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"The problem with this game was State went from 19 up to 5"

actually it went from 20 up to 2, but either way, stop. we won, deal w/ it.

2/12/2009 10:01:51 AM

Sidney will destroy you all.

2/12/2009 10:04:10 AM

Actually we went from tied, to down 7, to up 20, to up 2, to up 6.

2/12/2009 10:37:13 AM

Again, Sid can motivate his players, but he cannot coach them. This game was a repeat of the VT game, with the exception of switching out horner and Costner having a terrific game. This was a good win and a great upset, but again this season is pretty much over when Sid doesn't understand how to manage the end game without wrecking the tempo.

2/12/2009 10:45:22 AM

The complainers act like it's all Sid's to either win or lose. I'm sure #7 Wake Forest had nothing to do with their comeback.....it was all Sid's fault.

Fuck this thread and fuck you haters. Sid gets a lot of credit for this win, period.

2/12/2009 10:47:37 AM

^^And the addition of Degand (a decent to good PG), Smith playing out of his mind, great defensive calls by Lowe with solid execution, and the refs weren't out to get us

2/12/2009 10:47:45 AM

I thought Lowe coached well. The main thing i would like to see is if Ben isn't going to shoot the ball ever again, he is worthless.

The Triangle 2 and Box+1 D were a nice throw back too. The team has definitely improved since the beginning of conference play.

2/12/2009 11:02:30 AM

I loved the double PG move, the defensive calls, and the few spurts we made after timeouts.

The slowdown offense when there are still 9 minutes left is like the fucking prevent defense, though. You stop doing what got you the lead and you start shitting the bed. There were a handful of times during their comeback where we had easy shots/layup opportunities and we didn't take them because we pulled it back out instead to use up clock. Nearly caused us to lose the game.

2/12/2009 11:11:40 AM

^^Talk about what have you done for me lately. Did you not see the VTech game? Ben had 25 points and 13 rebounds. He was the main reason we were in the lead.

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"Sid gets a lot of credit for this win, period."

So when we lose its our shitty players, but when we win, its all Sid and he is a miracle worker with our talent-less team?

2/12/2009 12:17:22 PM

Ben had several opportunities when they broke the press at the end. It isn't that i think he should be permanently benched, but he was scared to shoot, and that hurt the team.

Fuck what he did in the last game. He can't take points from the last game and add them to this one. He had an off night. Oh well. It happens. What i would have liked is to recognize it just wasn't his night, and put someone in who isn't going to be scared to take that shot. He was the end step in the strategy to break the press and make them pay for pressing, and he fizzled. Sit him down, put someone else in who isn't rattled, and Ben can suck it up and be ready for the next game.

V Got that backwards there. According to the radio interviews with Sid, and i thought a player or two mentioned it, they were supposed to attack the press.

[Edited on February 12, 2009 at 12:31 PM. Reason : .]

2/12/2009 12:25:00 PM

Ben had a decent game, he got lose balls and hustled like usual and did well on defense and even had 2 blocks. If you are talking about the last 5 minutes, Sidney made them hold the ball and run the clock even though players wanted to push and shoot.

2/12/2009 12:28:45 PM

you think it was a bad idea that he wanted to shorten the game with the lead at the end against a great team?

lowe has been coaching his ass off this year, the players just having always been following through

2/12/2009 12:36:05 PM

so, we're going to win a few games, and maybe even pull off an upset on the road

but at the end, we can all certainly count on some

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"NC STATE SHIT"

2/12/2009 12:39:31 PM

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"V Got that backwards there. According to the radio interviews with Sid, and i thought a player or two mentioned it, they were supposed to attack the press."

Attack the press yes.....but then pass it around and score. Courtney Fells said that players wanted to shoot and keep scoring but Coach Lowe decided they haven't been doing that well lately and decided to slow the game down.

^^The way we did it last night, no. You can't just abandon trying to score at all, especially when the lead gets down to single digits.

[Edited on February 12, 2009 at 12:40 PM. Reason : ^Always]

2/12/2009 12:39:46 PM

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"So when we lose its our shitty players, but when we win, its all Sid and he is a miracle worker with our talent-less team?"

I think this has been mentioned, but when we play, and when we win or a lose, it's because of the players and the coach. Sheesh.

2/12/2009 12:42:13 PM

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"He had an off night. Oh well. It happens. What i would have liked is to recognize it just wasn't his night, and put someone in who isn't going to be scared to take that shot."

I read, i think on WRAL, that Ben was kinda sick (as in under-the-weather)

2/12/2009 12:43:33 PM

packboozie is as stubborn as his god at asu lol

2/12/2009 12:44:54 PM

yeah, he had a stomach flu the night before and sat out Tuesday's practice. Ben had a crucial block during their comeback that probably would have flipped the game upside down over had he not been there.

It was worth having him in there just for that play.

2/12/2009 12:49:09 PM

we were starting to cool off because we were tired. slowing the tempo and shortening the game allowed our best ball handlers to play longer since they wouldn't have to be pushing tempo and running the court as much

2/12/2009 12:50:42 PM