lol

11/29/2017 4:50:17 PM

Let's not ignore the fact that Trump has benefitted from the fact that for literally decades, Republicans and right wing media have "primed the pump" (to steal one of Trump's phrases) for this type of bullshittery by waging a campaign against "establishment" government and "establishment" media.

I don't think Trump ever gets the foothold he currently has without that plowing the field for him first.

11/29/2017 5:12:26 PM

Nah. Its more like he saw the fields being plowed as an opportunity to plant a certain type of seed. Its not like he was wandering around looking for a place to plant the seeds and stumbled upon the plowed fields. Being opportunistic and molding your behavior to perfectly fit in with circumstances is a skill.

11/29/2017 6:53:29 PM

^ So you think this skill could have been applied equally well running as a presidential candidate on the Democratic ticket?

11/29/2017 7:06:49 PM

You think Trump won just because he won against the Republican establishment?


Have you been watching how the media reacts to everything he tweets this week?

Do you think the majority of Americans are on the side of the Media?

If you live in a world where there can only be two sides, and one of them is dominated by hatred for the common man and led by a woman who destroyed other women for accusing her husband of sexual assault and was propped up by the media who is now collapsing before our eyes, what side would you be on?

Or better yet, whom would you trust? The man who said the media is against you, or the woman (and media) who proved the media is against you?

It's not a matter of what the facts are, it's a matter of what people see.

11/29/2017 7:10:09 PM

^Thanks, that's a good first hand example of the indoctrination provided by this plowing of the field.

11/29/2017 7:13:52 PM

Oh, and

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"You think Trump won just because he won against the Republican establishment?"

That's not at all what I said and I'm honestly not sure how what I wrote would prompt you to respond with that question.

11/29/2017 7:18:12 PM

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"Do you think the majority of Americans are on the side of the Media?"

The majority of American voters voted for Clinton...so...maybe?

11/30/2017 8:33:47 AM

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"If you live in a world where there can only be two sides, and one of them is dominated by hatred for the common man and led by a woman who destroyed other women for accusing her husband of sexual assault and was propped up by the media who is now collapsing before our eyes, what side would you be on?"

can you please describe the other side now, because i'm curious how you see yourself

11/30/2017 8:54:11 AM

Here's what I don't understand, and please, the Trumpsters here educate me: Why can't Trump supporters let Hillary Clinton go? Why do you still care about anything she does? Who she blames? What she says?

Al Gore lost and went on to champion climate issues. Romney lost and went silent. McCain lost and kept fighting the good fight in the Senate. Clinton lost and she's writing books about it. They all handle their losses differently. Let her do what she wants to do.

I'm just amazed that so much energy is still focused on her. I understand why - it is yet another smokescreen to keep the base ramped up. But if you [Trump supporters] believe otherwise, then educate me.

11/30/2017 9:50:44 AM

Kdogg is one of those people who are completely obsessed with Hilary, still. He's a bit unhinged.

11/30/2017 10:55:32 AM

They do the same to Obama. They are so obsessed with him they can't let go of anything he has ever done. The Trump presidency aims not to move the country forward, but to undo every single Obama era policy, even the ones they would have agreed with if the idea had come from anyone else.

11/30/2017 11:10:17 AM

^^There is a strong feeling that Clinton (really, both of them) got away with crimes over their careers. With Clinton, the big one is Benghazi, even though that had nothing to do with her (read the commission report on it) specifically.

The email situation is fucked up, but if there was actual criminal wrongdoing, the DOJ would have 100% gone through with it. Keep in mind too that Colin Powell literally did the same shit (as I'm sure many others have). So if she "got away with it" then so did everyone else, from both sides.

The Uranium one thing also is a complete non-story but has been reopened and thrown on her as an attempt to deflect from Trump.

But ultimately, I think it goes back to Bill Clinton and that time period. Remember, both he and she were investigated under the Whitewater situation and while Bill ultimately got caught for perjury (and should have absolutely been impeached and removed from office for it), there were a number of other things that ultimately never came out. Back then you didn't have the research powers of today (internet) and the media was not quite as aggressive as it is now so people likely glossed over the actual findings from DOJ and the investigation that effectively found nothing.

So, again, there is this perception that they actually got away with crimes, and in the case of Benghazi, serious ones that cost lives.

Meanwhile, while all of that is in the past, there appears (again, likely because people didn't pay nearly as much attention back then as they do now) to be this massive focus on Trump that is unwarranted (it isn't) and as such they refrain to "whataboutism." They feel this type of focus was never cast on the "other side," (it was, and funny enough Comey was involved in most of it) and that the media favors one party over the other. It's sort of an adult version of "he started it, why should I get in trouble."

My take - there is likely some truth to the Whitewater stuff. For instance, years after the case, they actually found important documents in a safe, IN Hillary's home that had her fingerprints literally on them. They were documents that she stated during the case she had lost and if I recall, were documents with the bank that got caught doing the money laundering/tax evasion stuff. I need to go back and read up on the case again.

If I remember correctly a ton of people actually went to prison throughout the ordeal but of course, not Bill or Hillary. Funny enough, there's a high probability that is exactly what happens regarding Trump/Russia. Ton of people go down but Trump gets caught for perjury/obstruction and somehow stays in office.

^As for Obama, my personal belief based on everything that's happened since the day he was actually elected, a large majority of the outrage against him is because he's black and had a weird name. That may sound ridiculous, but I am fairly convinced of it. I don't think the politicians themselves necessarily cared (that is, most of them) but to keep their jobs they have cater to their constituents (at least in terms of emotion, apparently voting against their actual, long term interests, doesn't matter). The other portion of the outrage is a true, visceral fear of socialism. That cannot be discounted and in many respects it really isn't misplaced. Communism (which is what socialism gets tied to) is utterly horrific and does absolutely nothing good.

Unfortunately, true socialism is a lot different from communism but the nuances get lost in the public discourse. In any event, the right successfully painted him as a communist/socialist (to their base) and it stuck.

That's just my observations. Would have to let a Trump supporter (although really, it's most of the hard right) talk you through their beliefs.

Regarding the Comey thing, it is kind of an interesting fact of history that he was involved in all of these major things. It made me laugh and think to myself that he's Batman. Basically, with the email thing and Hillary, he was like "Gotham cannot have a leader like this. I must destroy her." Then immediately to "holy fuck, Gotham cannot have Trump either, must destroy him." I think that makes Hillary the Joker and Trump The Penguin.

When both sides hate someone, I tend to view that person as the most trustworthy of all of them. Comey actually went hard on Clinton after some of his pardons (particularly Marc Rich if I'm not mistaken). That pardon was utterly egregious.

[Edited on November 30, 2017 at 11:26 AM. Reason : a]

11/30/2017 11:13:04 AM

I hate "but what about" arguments. Bill Clinton is a criminal. So are both Bushes and so was Reagan. None of that makes anything Trump does now ok.

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"As for Obama, my personal belief based on everything that's happened since the day he was actually elected, a large majority of the outrage against him is because he's black and had a weird name. That may sound ridiculous, but I am fairly convinced of it."

I absolutely agree. Obama is the least scandalous president of our lifetime but he receives the most hate. It's counter-intuitive, but I guess you'd have to have intuition to begin with.

And if Obama is such a socialist, why was he so clearly Hillary over Bernie? It just doesn't make any sense.

[Edited on November 30, 2017 at 11:18 AM. Reason : -]

11/30/2017 11:16:41 AM

Hating the Clintons has been its own sector of the right wing pundit economy for 25+ years. It's not going away just because Hillary says she's done.

Then you have the kdogg types for whom impulsive Clinton hatred seems to be a (the?) defining feature of their political identity. They're not going to let go just because their obsession says no.

11/30/2017 11:21:54 AM

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"And if Obama is such a socialist, why was he so clearly Hillary over Bernie? It just doesn't make any sense. "

Not that complicated, having actually done the job for 8 years, he supported the person he felt was more qualified for it. The job of President is a lot more than just being a fiery spokesman for political ideologies.

As for the Clintons, whatever you may think of them, the fact remains that despite over 30 years of investigations and oppo research by dozens of opposing campaigns, Congressional committees, federal prosecutors, the FBI and media organizations spanning the political spectrum, the only concrete evidence of wrongdoing that's ever been found on them was a cum stained blue dress. To my memory, not one single member of Bill or Hillary's actual administration/staff ever landed in jail for one of their "scandals". This is why most rational people just roll their eyes whenever some new accusation comes up, history says it's most likely bullshit.

Compared to Republican administrations, starting with Nixon all the way through W., literally hundreds of actual administration officials have been indicted or landed in jail due to various scandals (Whitewater, Iran-Contra, Scooter Libby, etc...). It's not a hard thing to do if something illegal was actually done. This is really the heart of all the Republican hate towards the Clintons, a feeling that their people were actually nailed while the Clintons kept skating.

[Edited on November 30, 2017 at 11:46 AM. Reason : .]

11/30/2017 11:39:53 AM

You're just as bad a kcdogg. Christ.

11/30/2017 11:46:09 AM

Sure, if you're an idiot and have some burning desire to be a both-sides warrior rather than objectively assessing the facts at hand.

11/30/2017 11:48:42 AM

how someone could read that post and say they’re the same as an unhinged person...

11/30/2017 11:53:34 AM

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"To my memory, not one single member of Bill or Hillary's actual administration/staff ever landed in jail for one of their "scandals". Compared to Republican administrations, starting with Nixon all the way through W., literally hundreds of actual administration officials have been indicted or landed in jail due to various scandals (Whitewater, Iran-Contra, Scooter Libby, etc...)."

Whitewater was a Bill Clinton administration, haha.

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"The Clintons were never charged with any crime. Fifteen other persons were convicted of more than 40 crimes, including Jim Guy Tucker, who was removed from office.[44] Jim Guy Tucker: Governor of Arkansas at the time, removed from office (fraud, 3 counts) John Haley: attorney for Jim Guy Tucker (tax evasion) William J. Marks, Sr.: Jim Guy Tucker's business partner (conspiracy) Stephen Smith: former Governor Clinton aide (conspiracy to misapply funds). Bill Clinton pardoned. Webster Hubbell: Clinton political supporter; U.S. Associate Attorney General; Rose Law Firm partner (embezzlement, fraud) Jim McDougal: banker, Clinton political supporter: (18 felonies, varied) Susan McDougal: Clinton political supporter (multiple frauds). Bill Clinton pardoned. David Hale: banker, self-proclaimed Clinton political supporter: (conspiracy, fraud) Neal Ainley: Perry County Bank president (embezzled bank funds for Clinton campaign) Chris Wade: Whitewater real estate broker (multiple loan fraud). Bill Clinton pardoned. Larry Kuca: Madison real estate agent (multiple loan fraud) Robert W. Palmer: Madison appraiser (conspiracy). Bill Clinton pardoned. John Latham: Madison Bank CEO (bank fraud) Eugene Fitzhugh: Whitewater defendant (multiple bribery) Charles Matthews: Whitewater defendant (bribery)"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitewater_controversy#Convictions

It really is very hard to believe he and Hillary were not involved in some way with this. I'm just being honest.

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"As a result of the exposé in the New York Times, the Justice Department opened an investigation into the failed Whitewater deal. Media pressure continued to build, and on April 22, 1994, Hillary Clinton gave an unusual press conference under a portrait of Abraham Lincoln in the State Dining Room of the White House, to address questions on both Whitewater and the cattle futures controversy; it was broadcast live on several networks. In it, she claimed that the Clintons had a passive role in the Whitewater venture and had committed no wrongdoing, but admitted that her explanations had been vague. She said that she no longer opposed appointing a special prosecutor to investigate the matter. Afterwards, she won media praise for the manner in which she conducted herself during the press conference;[15] Time called her "open, candid, but above all unflappable...the real message was her attitude and her poise. The confiding tone and relaxed body language...immediately drew approving reviews".[27] By that time there was growing backlash from Democrats and other members of the political left against the press' investigations of Whitewater. The New York Times was criticized by Gene Lyons of Harper's Magazine, who felt its reporters were exaggerating the significance and possible impropriety of what they were uncovering.[28] At Clinton's request, Attorney General Janet Reno appointed a special prosecutor, Robert B. Fiske, to investigate the legality of the Whitewater transactions in 1994. Two allegations surfaced: 1) that Clinton had exerted pressure on an Arkansas businessman, David Hale, to make a loan that would benefit him and the owners of Madison Guaranty; and 2) that an Arkansas bank had concealed transactions involving Clinton's gubernatorial campaign in 1990. In May 1994, Fiske issued a grand jury subpoena to the President and his wife for all documents relating to Madison Guaranty, with a deadline of 30 days. They were reported as missing by the Clintons. Almost two years later, the subpoenaed billing records of the Rose Law Firm were discovered in the Clintons' private residence in the White House, with finger prints of Hillary Clinton.[29]"

But:

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"Neither Bill Clinton nor Hillary were ever prosecuted, after three separate inquiries found insufficient evidence linking them with the criminal conduct of others related to the land deal. The matter was handled by the Whitewater Independent Counsel, Kenneth Starr. The last of these inquiries came from the final Independent Counsel, Robert Ray, (who replaced Starr) in 2000.["

Hard to argue with three separate inquiries.

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"As a result of the exposé in the New York Times, the Justice Department opened an investigation into the failed Whitewater deal."

I guess they weren't a liberal/left-leaning, "failing" "fake news" organization when they were reporting on the Clintons...

[Edited on November 30, 2017 at 12:06 PM. Reason : a]

11/30/2017 11:58:12 AM

^Hehe, this is why I was very precise with my language, the only person on that list that qualifies as a member of a Clinton administration or staff is Stephen Smith. They got one!

11/30/2017 12:09:31 PM

Haha, yea, but Hillary Clinton was one of the lawyers at Rose Law firm and Webster Hubbell not only was a partner there, but was also U.S. Associate Attorney General (and former Arkansas Supreme Court Chief Justice), both positions appointed by Bill Clinton.

Anyway, I'm just saying that while I accept DOJ and other investigation results, I can 100% see how people look at this and think they got away with crimes. Particularly considering Bill Clinton pardoned at least four of them. People would be up in arms (rightfully so) if Trump pardoned anyone involved with the current investigations. I would be too. But I would also have been up in arms during the Clinton pardons (I was too young to even know about it at the time).

[Edited on November 30, 2017 at 12:16 PM. Reason : a]

11/30/2017 12:13:36 PM

not surprised a democrat shill thinks whitewater was republicans

11/30/2017 12:21:45 PM

Christ I meant Watergate you fucking shit heels.

11/30/2017 12:24:46 PM

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"If you live in a world where there can only be two sides, and one of them is dominated by hatred for the common man..."

I feel like this more aptly applies to the GOP's recent tax proposals.

11/30/2017 12:29:00 PM

^^

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"Hehe, this is why I was very precise with my language"

11/30/2017 12:31:45 PM

im suparise he has not accuse kim jong un of having diabetes,gout, and impotency and feeding his people parasites

11/30/2017 7:14:46 PM

The President is about to announce his intention to move the US Embassy in Israel to its capital, Jerusalem.

11/30/2017 7:37:10 PM

https://twitter.com/nytpolitics/status/936412609477332992

I’m sure if Obama demanded the Benghazi committees be disbanded it would’ve gone over as fine as Trump..

11/30/2017 9:00:17 PM

Lol @ Flynn

12/1/2017 9:28:21 AM

interesting way to drain the swamp

12/1/2017 9:31:37 AM

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"The President is about to announce his intention to move the US Embassy in Israel to its capital, Jerusalem."

As a pro-Israel American Jew, this means absolutely nothing to me. It's such an arbitrary thing being played up for the very few who actually care.

12/1/2017 3:47:36 PM

endorsed a pedophile this morning

12/4/2017 9:33:41 AM

Lawyer also implied that Trump obstructed justice. So that's cool.

EDIT: Lawyer quote:

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"The "President cannot obstruct justice because he is the chief law enforcement officer under [the Constitution's Article II] and has every right to express his view of any case," "

[Edited on December 4, 2017 at 9:54 AM. Reason : .]

12/4/2017 9:51:05 AM

idiots

12/4/2017 10:35:48 AM

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"Regarding the Comey thing, it is kind of an interesting fact of history that he was involved in all of these major things. It made me laugh and think to myself that he's Batman. Basically, with the email thing and Hillary, he was like "Gotham cannot have a leader like this. I must destroy her." Then immediately to "holy fuck, Gotham cannot have Trump either, must destroy him." I think that makes Hillary the Joker and Trump The Penguin. "

Comey is Batman.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/04/politics/peter-strzok-james-comey/index.html

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"Electronic records show Peter Strzok, who led the investigation of Hillary Clinton's private email server as the No. 2 official in the counterintelligence division, changed Comey's earlier draft language describing Clinton's actions as "grossly negligent" to "extremely careless," the sources said."

[Edited on December 4, 2017 at 10:17 PM. Reason : a]

12/4/2017 10:17:33 PM

Is there a legal difference between "grossly negligent" and "extremely careless?"

12/4/2017 10:28:00 PM

In terms of the laws regarding mishandling classified material, I believe so. I think that's why this is a story quite frankly.

12/4/2017 10:29:25 PM

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"endorsed a pedophile this morning"

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/opinions/roy-moore-is-not-a-pedophile/2017/11/19/1a9ae238-cb21-11e7-aa96-54417592cf72_story.html

12/4/2017 11:10:29 PM

i've been saying that for weeks

12/5/2017 12:10:32 AM

^^ you love arguing on the internet so much that you wanna play semantics over this Roy Moore deal?

12/5/2017 12:54:49 AM

its not semantics. pedophilia is an exact specific thing and none of the roy moore claims fit the definition.

12/5/2017 12:57:50 AM

^^ What the dude did was bad enough. There's no need to exaggerate it by lying, especially when trying to score points against a dude you take issue with for lying every day.

[Edited on December 5, 2017 at 1:08 AM. Reason : Stay above the fray man]

12/5/2017 1:06:59 AM

lying?

12/5/2017 1:22:34 AM

Yup

12/5/2017 1:30:04 AM

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"There's no need to exaggerate it by lying, especially when trying to score points against a dude you take issue with for lying every day."

synapse tell me you've never seen me post this exact same thing.

[Edited on December 5, 2017 at 2:15 AM. Reason : glad to have you on board man]

12/5/2017 2:15:26 AM

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"'Fake news': Libya seizes on Trump tweet to discredit CNN slavery report Libyan media question CNN report on modern slave auctions in the country, a sign of US president’s attacks having real world effect"

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/28/libya-slave-trade-cnn-report-trump-fake-news
El Gimpy, I think its funny that Obama fans, after destroying libya and creating this mess, are blaming trump for it because he said cnn was fake news.

12/5/2017 3:16:51 AM

Obama fans destroyed Libya?

12/5/2017 8:41:30 AM

Listen, I’ve never even been there.

12/5/2017 12:25:37 PM

next

12/5/2017 10:29:44 PM