if they're anything like me they're not gonna be following the boards/radio much until next week's game

10/4/2010 12:58:38 AM

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"Ivan Maisel and his shitty cell phone "

ahhahahaha nice

10/4/2010 6:26:30 AM

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"Man I thought there would be more discussion about Blake lobbying that Bama kid"

Haha it's one of those things where you're so happy that you're speechless, so you sit there with a giant shit-eating grin on your face.

10/4/2010 7:51:45 AM

the boards over on IC are just... i don't know what to say.

I can't believe the level of denial over there.

Everyday there's a boycott N&O thread, sometimes multiple threads.

People are now asking: "is it REALLY illegal for a coach to steer a player to an agent when he's on another team?" (the Dareus and Saunders situation)

Charles Robinson is now a hack (during the USC situation he was a genius exposing the dirty deeds of Pete Carroll et al.) Joe Ovies called them out on that nicely last week.

The few sane ones over there are really starting to see that the hammer is going to come down hard. The rest are affectionately known as: "The Band on the Titanic"

10/4/2010 9:32:36 AM

can anyone with ESPN Insider post the following article:
http://insider.espn.go.com/ncf/blog?name=mcgee_ryan&id=5646979

10/4/2010 12:00:07 PM

gonna get any david glenn shenanigans today?

10/4/2010 12:02:57 PM

1. Butch Davis, UNC
Career: 22-20
2010: 2-2
Fan Entitlement Index: 8 out of 10

I continue to hear from people, especially those who pledge their loyalty to the Tarheels, that Davis will survive the agent-powered hurricane that currently rages around him. I'm not buying it. Even if he and his bosses are able to concoct a compelling case that former assistant head coach John Blake wasn't a de facto agent runner, the damage has been done in image-conscious Chapel Hill. Carolina has long seen itself as the ACC's flagship and has always been quick to point to its squeaky clean NCAA rap sheet across all sports. Becoming the poster child for corruption doesn't fit the UNC profile.

As one university president recently said to me, "When the UNC chancellor showed up for the big August press conference and sat up on the stage with Davis and the (athletic director) Dick Baddour, that was not a show of support for his employees. That was a 'WTH have you guys done to my school?' moment.

10/4/2010 12:04:05 PM

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"Becoming the poster child for corruption doesn't fit the UNC profile."

welcome to the new normal ACC

10/4/2010 12:11:33 PM

I dont know if everyone else feels the same way as me, but I dont want Butch to keep his job. He's a good coach, and brings in quality recruits (even if it was using illegal means to do so). He definitely had the program moving in the right direction, talent-wise. I would love to see them get major sanctions from the NCAA and only be able to hire a crappy no-name coach, which will set them back 20 years as far as recruiting and play-calling goes

10/4/2010 12:23:21 PM

Butch is not a good coach, never has been, never will be. He has had one regular season record with more than 8 wins.

I love how he's throwing Blake under the bus right now. This is going to get even uglier.

10/4/2010 12:35:58 PM

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"He has had one regular season record with more than 8 wins."

I'm going to assume you are talking about his time just at UNC since that does not apply to his time at Miami...

10/4/2010 12:40:39 PM

^^
It is not like UNC is used to having 8 wins seasons. Despite our record vs him, he's a threat and I want him gone.

[Edited on October 4, 2010 at 12:41 PM. Reason : f]

10/4/2010 12:41:24 PM

I said regular season, that doesn't include bowl wins. The only season in which Miami had more than 8 regular season wins was 2000, when Miami went 11-1.

10/4/2010 1:01:26 PM

I'd like to see him fired because once he is, it will wreck the current recruiting class and lead to transfers among the freshman and sophomores. Plus depending on who UNC is able to get to replace BMFD, the future recruiting should suffer as well. Ultimately anything that hurts UNC's recruiting will benefit our recruiting as we target many of the same players.

10/4/2010 1:55:04 PM

I imagine some of their current recruits started to look elsewhere once they realized that no more checks were coming.

[Edited on October 4, 2010 at 1:58 PM. Reason : -]

10/4/2010 1:58:14 PM

the longer this plays out the better it is for us

i hope they string butch along until the day before next season. eventually he needs to go since he's one of the better "coaches" (results wise) that they can get. but as long as he's there this black cloud is going to stay

10/4/2010 2:11:22 PM

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"I said regular season, that doesn't include bowl wins. The only season in which Miami had more than 8 regular season wins was 2000, when Miami went 11-1."

Understood, but as much as I hate him, I think we are getting a little nitpicky if you are going to say he was never a good coach, and your only defense is that he only had 1 season where he won more than 8 games in the regular season.

You can take those same years and state another fact: In 6 years of coaching there he only had 2 seasons where he won less than 9 games in the season. He also was 4-0 in bowl games and had 3 conference championships. Most schools would kill to be be able to say that over a 6 year period.

I do not like him and am glad he is not our coach, but to say he was never even a "good" coach is just stupid imo.

10/4/2010 2:16:16 PM

They can string it along if they'd like, I just want it to start affecting recruiting. So hopefully they'll do it long enough before signing day so that a lot of their recruits switch and possibly consider us.

10/4/2010 2:16:31 PM

you gotta think that they will be hit with a limited scholly punishment right?

10/4/2010 2:41:02 PM

a scholarship reduction would really limit the waiver wire transactions

10/4/2010 2:44:40 PM

If they limit the number of scholarships then that will just mean less people to split up the cash pile. Take away enough scholarships and they might be able to get Peppers to come back for them.

10/4/2010 2:51:22 PM

damn man, its sounding more and more like Marvin Austin was a runner for Wichard. Charles Robinson just said on 99.9 that Dareus went out to that agent party and was reimbursed for all of his travel expenses by Austin.

10/4/2010 3:43:35 PM

Oh and lawyers confirmed that blake was getting payments and had an open protec credit card while he was at UNC. Money was just "loans and gifts" supposedly

[Edited on October 4, 2010 at 3:54 PM. Reason : adfasdf]

10/4/2010 3:53:54 PM

off topic -

how many programs have actually fired a coach mid season?

by programs - ACC/SEC/BIGTEN/12/PAC10/ programs

10/4/2010 3:57:24 PM

UNC already did it once didn't they?

10/4/2010 3:58:51 PM

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"If they limit the number of scholarships then that will just mean less people to split up the cash pile. Take away enough scholarships and they might be able to get Peppers to come back for them."

lol, their genius plan EXPOSED

10/4/2010 3:59:40 PM

Little segment on espn just now about Blake/Bama player thing. Only questioned asked was: will Blake be banned from college ball? Then they mentioned how butch aplogized for trusting Blake.

Nothing was asked about possible UNC sanctions or butch being in hot water.

10/4/2010 4:00:58 PM

UNC fired Bunting mid-season, they just allowed him to stay until their new and current sacrificial lamb was hired

10/4/2010 4:04:26 PM

larry coker was fired the day after the regular season and still got to coach the bowl game. maybe they're holding out for another shot at the tire bowl

10/4/2010 4:11:49 PM

do you mean fired and not allowed to finish the season? i can't recall that happening anywhere.

i mean we fired amato before the season was over, but he still coached the team. on a side note, i saw him at the game. he is still one cool guy.

10/4/2010 8:27:10 PM

I'm not totally sure on his health, but we should bring him on in some fashion with the University. Not necessarily coaching, although I guess that could even be an option. Maybe be a fundraiser with the Wolfpack Club or recruiting coordinator or something along those lines.

10/4/2010 8:34:01 PM

btw I have a little BDS thing I'm in the works on. I wanna keep it out of the main thread since there are carolina lurkers about but send me a pm if you are interested in lending a hand

10/4/2010 8:49:50 PM

Sounds to me like you're going to end up in jail.

10/4/2010 8:59:09 PM

^^^ I too would support brining Chuck back on a non-coaching basis. We need him to start co-hosting the TOB show to lighten up the monotone Tony Haynes commentary...

[Edited on October 4, 2010 at 9:01 PM. Reason : car]

[Edited on October 4, 2010 at 9:02 PM. Reason : rots]

10/4/2010 8:59:48 PM

hey wolfpack fans!
boooooooooooooooo.....

10/4/2010 9:21:42 PM

.....yyyycottttt daaa schhooooooooooooooooo?

10/4/2010 9:59:25 PM

alright we got this BDS all set up now, but we could use some manpower getting it rolling good. If you've got 5 minutes to kill just send a pm and the join the team. We got 4~5 who've given a hand already (thanks).

10/4/2010 11:32:22 PM

my 2 cent worth contribution
http://thehickoryhound.blogspot.com/2010/10/where-are-unc-board-of-governors-unc.html

10/4/2010 11:34:50 PM

"Too often, when assistant coaches are involved in a web of serious violations, head coaches profess ignorance, saying that they were too busy to know what was occurring and that they trusted their assistants. Such a failure by head coaches to control their teams ... is a lack of institutional control."


end of discussion.

Fucking hang the fags.

10/4/2010 11:46:33 PM

Butch is like a hot piece of ass that UNC has never had before that has now cheated on them.

All UNC wants to do is to pretend that they weren't cheated on, to move on with "their future together"

When in reality they just look pathetic trying to hang on to this coach b/c in reality, UNC football is not getting anyone better....

10/5/2010 12:04:25 AM

^i don't think i've heard anyone describe the situation any better

10/5/2010 12:12:06 AM

^yeah i've been there before. The denial and deflecting blame. I guess at least someone didn't cheat on me with someone nicknamed BLACK SANTA

10/5/2010 12:31:09 AM

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news;_ylt=Avq3aR0eKR4JQyzkzENbpm85nYcB?slug=cr-blake100410

Fresh Yahoo article up now. Gives dates for 6 wire transfers from Wichard to Blake during his tenure at UNC. Blake's lawyer tries to explain away a couple, but doesn't know the circumstances for a couple in 2007.

Also, the reason given for Wichard's "gifts" is helping a friend in financial trouble that got stuck with a bad housing situation. The info dug up on the actual timeline and amounts seems a little off.

10/5/2010 1:22:48 AM

Wow even his lawyers aren't covering for him.



Blake is goin to prison, y'all.



BMFD won't go to prison, but he'll never work in football again.




BDS baby

10/5/2010 8:27:18 AM

from the article:

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"As for the wire transfers, Beaver said the three transfers in 2008 and 2009 were “gifts” to Blake and aimed at paying his son’s private school tuition. Beaver said he didn’t want to expound on the three wire transfers in 2007, saying “That’s between Gary and John and I don’t know how they necessarily characterized those.” Both Smith and Beaver once again reiterated that the financial relationship existed because of Blake’s money troubles after being fired from his head coaching position at the University of Oklahoma in 1998. Beaver described a custom-built home that became a financial burden after Blake moved California, and how that stretched on into recent years. “When he left Oklahoma, he had a large mortgage payment on a house that was completed almost contemporaneous with him being discharged at Oklahoma,” Beaver said. “The mortgage payment was approximately $4,800. He thereafter moved to California and the home didn’t sell. So, he had a rental payment while he was in California somewhere in the vicinity of $2,400 or $2,500 while carrying the mortgage payment. Those two payments alone came close to eating up what his income was, and therein his legal woes began, together with a couple of bad business ventures.” Yahoo! Sports reviewed real estate records for the house in question, and found that Blake purchased the custom-built home on Sept. 21, 1998, for $598,500. Loan records show that he owned the house for almost 17 months after his November 1998 firing at Oklahoma, eventually selling the property for $600,000 on April 14, 2000. Other records reviewed by Yahoo! Sports also show that during that same time span, Blake was still collecting money from Oklahoma, thanks to the settlement reached for the remaining four years of Blake’s contract with the Sooners. According to that settlement, Blake was to be paid a total of almost $610,000 from Oklahoma from the time of his firing through the end of 2001. That money included $375,000 in salary, $230,000 from a Nike deal and radio and television contracts, and nearly $5,000 for limited medical coverage. Asked if they knew the amount of Blake’s Oklahoma settlement, Beaver and Smith said they did not. “I’ve never seen the documentation to that,” Beaver said. “I did not represent him in that in any fashion. I have no knowledge of it whatsoever.” The lawyers also weighed in on Yahoo! Sports’ recent report that University of Alabama defensive end Marcell Dareus had told NCAA investigators that Blake endorsed Wichard to him in a phone conversation over the summer. The lawyers said that while Blake had been in contact with Dareus, and while Wichard was mentioned, they couldn’t characterize what was said between the two. “We don’t know what that conversation was,” Smith said. “It’s a long, long ways away from us. I don’t know what words were chosen. I don’t know what words John Blake chose. I don’t know what words the young man chose.”"

hahahahahahahaha.

I guess John Blake thinks no one knows how to review records, arrogant people ALWAYS get caught like that, this should be on an episode of "World's Dumbest Criminals" on SpikeHD.

So he was on tough times, but got $600K+ from OU?? Also doesn't explain him being vice president of pro-tect up until something like 2004-2005.

EVEN IF IF IF IF, all of this was legitimate, the fact that he's taking loans from a guy (close friend and god parent to only son) it still is a loan from an Agent that would literally imply indebtedness (from owing back money) and also indebtedness such as pressure to influence (quid pro quo stuff).

Now even the lawyers are throwing him under the bus about Dareus, hahahahahaah

However, i think Robinson made a mistake though in how he handled the whole story. Having it come out like he did, it gave those weasely ass lawyers a way to at least make excuses. In hindsight, he should have interviewed them. Got their lies at first and THENNNN broke the story. Like "Are you sure, positive that there was no financial relationship whatsoever between Blake and Wichard?" Lawyers: "Correct". Robinson: "BOOM goes the dynamite bitches, looky looky what i found!!!"

The way it came out allowed these lawyers to concoct the whole "loan and gifts" excuse. They are damning either way, but i think he could have really put these dudes in the corner from the get-go, no wiggle room, if he had gotten their "statements" beforehand. Maybe i'm wrong, maybe if he had asked them alot of questions they would have been tipped off to something and then made a hasty press conference to announce their had been a relationship but just among friends. Or maybe Robinson didn't want to get scooped by ESPN etc.

10/5/2010 8:50:28 AM

Just imagine all the dirt we'd get to hear if UNC didn't give Blake that $75K in hush money.

10/5/2010 8:54:11 AM

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"However, i think Robinson made a mistake though in how he handled the whole story. Having it come out like he did, it gave those weasely ass lawyers a way to at least make excuses. In hindsight, he should have interviewed them. Got their lies at first and THENNNN broke the story. Like "Are you sure, positive that there was no financial relationship whatsoever between Blake and Wichard?" Lawyers: "Correct". Robinson: "BOOM goes the dynamite bitches, looky looky what i found!!!" "

He did/does/is doing that. Mostly though, the lawyers aren't going to fess up to anything they don't have to. That'd be a thing for their client.


But:
The lawyers were all like "he didn't get any money from Wichard."
Robinson: "BOOM goes the dynamite bitches, looky looky what i found!!!"
Lawyers: "Our bad, he got some money, but it was all before he worked at UNC."
Robinson: "BOOM goes the dynamite bitches, looky looky what i found!!!"
Lawyers; "OK, we messed up there, it was while he was at UNC. Wichard was just paying for his godson to go to private school and also Blake was broke somehow. So it's good. Guarandangtee it."
Robinson: "BOOM goes the dynamite bitches, looky looky what i found!!!"

10/5/2010 9:13:34 AM

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"EVEN IF IF IF IF, all of this was legitimate"

It's not. A coach got money from an agent while he was coaching. End of story. It doesn't matter if it was for a truckload of girl scout cookies.

10/5/2010 9:14:32 AM

^^ halaarious commentary, exactly how its played out

^ that's kind of what i meant, that it doesn't matter one way or another, regardless of its legitimacy

10/5/2010 9:22:48 AM

I dont understand why espn (or more specifically, sportscenter) doesnt talk about this more. they keep bringing up the Tennessee/Bruce Pearl violations, which dont seem to be anywhere near as bad as UNC's violations, but they dont talk about carolina's situation at all

10/5/2010 9:26:16 AM