^What do you do? (hkrock)

It is a gov't profile barrel, not bull...or medium, I can't remember. I do know that it isn't a heavy or bull profile though.
I have only shot it at the range and for plinking so far, and can't really comment on being worn out by it. I'm taking carbine courses in march and april and will have a better idea then. I really want to switch to a light weight profile (wasn't available when I was building it) but that isn't going to happen any time soon. I'd probably build/ buy another upper instead of changing the barrel.


[Edited on February 10, 2011 at 6:42 PM. Reason : .]

2/10/2011 6:39:07 PM

I just finished light weapons phase of the 18Bravo course.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_hnG7kuam8

It's a humorous video, and old, but lines it out pretty well.

2/10/2011 6:47:26 PM

dave, i've got a t3 lite in .270 you could try out, but it's right handed

2/10/2011 10:26:45 PM

^^I lol'ed at that.
Training called ETADIK

2/10/2011 10:40:45 PM

I got my barrel back today. +1 for service. -1 for not refunding my $5.20 shipping that they said they would However, the new barrel fits perfectly. Can't wait to go shooting!







The only other thing I want to do now is change the trigger pull to 3lbs. A guy at the range a few months back had his trigger pull changed and let me try it out. It felt so much better...

2/12/2011 5:12:41 PM

I personally wouldn't carry a Glock with a 3 lb trigger. I know safety with all guns, especially with Glocks, comes down to keeping your finger off the trigger until you're ready to fire. However, there may be a time when you decide you don't need to pull the trigger and in a stressful situation it could be that little 1-2 lb of pressure that gives you that last opportunity to back off. This is the reason I like DA/SA autos. I don't think there's any advantage to having a 3 lb vs 5 lb trigger in a defensive gun.

If the dude really meant he had a 3 or 3.5 lb connector (which gives you a ~4.5-5 lb trigger pull) then forget I said anything.

2/13/2011 10:37:34 AM

New shotgun stocks arrived. What do you think of the FDE on Mariner finish?
Hogue Overmold standard 14'' in FDE
Hogue Overmold 12'' LOP in black

2/14/2011 1:20:31 PM

Personally, not feeling the FDE on stainless. I think it would look good on one of the blued guns, but I'm not huge on FDE as a color in general. I'm more of a Black/OD Green guy.

2/14/2011 1:33:29 PM

I may try and pick up a 500 some time in june. Then the FDE would go on that.

2/14/2011 1:36:43 PM

^^^^ I, too, like DA/SA autos, for pretty much the same reason.




Did a little work on my Saiga 12 a couple of nights ago.

2/14/2011 11:40:30 PM

Looks like I'm picking up a mossberg 500 next week, that comes with 1n 18.5'' barrel as well as a 26'' barrel.
Now I can put the FDE stock on a black gun, and the black stock on a silver gun.

2/15/2011 2:50:39 AM

Sig P250 Subcompact

Thoughts? Anyone with any personal experience with one?

2/15/2011 6:11:36 AM

ewwwwwww.

My wife has one. It is fine as a gun, but the DAO trigger is terrible.
It is somewhere around 8lbs, and it is a 3/4'' pull. That is every shot. There is no indication of when it is going to break the shot, and my wife and I both dislike it. They do sell a short trigger option, which reduces the pull to 3/8'' but doesn't affect the weight at all.
shmorri2-especially since you said you wanted the glock trigger lighter, I think this would be an absolutely terrible choice for you.

My wife picked it from dry firing in the store, and the ergonomics. It had just come out, and we couldn't find anywhere to shoot one before we bought it. If I had a lot of practice with it, I might become better with it, but I wouldn't want to.

Hell, I'll be in raleigh on Wednesday if you want me to bring it with me so you can play with it a little.
(no homo)

2/15/2011 10:13:01 AM

i don't mine SAO for a carry gun

but then again, CC is the only use i have for a pistol, so my opinion would certainly differ from that of you people

2/15/2011 2:01:31 PM

Question about shooting cheaper ammo:

Deer hunted this year shooting Remington Core-lokt 30-06, 165 gr ammo. Shot 4 deer with it and had no issues out to about 120 yds (my longest shot of the season...dropped in its tracks). I made one poor shot on a big 7pointer but that was me shaking like a leaf...not the bullet. Caught him in the neck and down he went. Kinda embarrassing but whatever...

Several guys I hunt with use the higher end ammo that winchester makes (ballistic silvertips I believe). They swore up and down that you couldn't beat both the accuracy and the damage at impact. But really, with the ~18.99 box of 20 Core-lokts, I'd have to pay double that for the winchester stuff they were shooting. Your thoughts?

A little bit about where I hunt...thick timber with logging lanes cut throughout. Longest shot is realistically never going to exceed 175yds.

2/15/2011 4:22:39 PM

Those same hunters are the type who will tell you unless you have a *insert expensive gun here* that you don't have nothing. I hunt with a $300 Marlin bolt 308 and handload my ammo. If the Remington is accurate in your gun, I'd stick with it. No reason for fixing something (especially if it's more expensive) if it isn't broken. Jmho.

2/15/2011 4:57:43 PM

You made 4 good shots that ended in 4 good kills. What's that tell you?

The Winchester Combined Technology Ballistic Silvertips are the same as Nosler's Ballistic Tips with a moly coating. It's true that they are often the most accurate hunting bullet. The jackets are thin walled too which lends itself to opening up easily and causing meat to turn into jello.

Your longest shot is less than 200 yards. Lets say the Corelokts shoot 2 inches at 100 yards in your gun. The ballistic tips may cut that in half. At 200 yards that's 4 inches for the corelokts and 2 inches for the ballistic tips. In reality your POI will be half of the group size from your POA. In other words, the ballistic tips will give you an extra inch of allowable error at 200 yards, or only half an inch at 100 yards.
Are you willing to pay twice as much for your bullet to impact 0.5-1" closer to where you aim?
If all I wanted to do was kill deer at less than 200 yards I wouldn't pay extra for better ammo.
You're way better buying an extra box of the cheap stuff and practicing because you'll personally cause way more error than the ammo will (as evident by your neck shot).

One last thing...don't bother with moly coated (Ballistic Silvertips) bullets.
To shoot moly your bore has to be absolutely free of copper fouling or the moly will foul badly on the copper fouling. If you shoot moly then shoot uncoated bullets without getting all of the moly out of your bore then the copper will also deposit on the moly fouling.
All of this sucks for accuracy and if your gun is stored in a humid place it may also cause rust as moly is hygroscopic.
It's also a bitch to clean mixed up moly/copper fouling...or at least that was my experience.

2/15/2011 5:07:54 PM

^great post. Thank you

My next question was going to be what kind of damage am I doing to my barrel by shooting cheap ammo but it sounds like you've bad some bad experiences with the "good" stuff too...

Any personal ammo recommendations?

[Edited on February 15, 2011 at 5:39 PM. Reason : .]

2/15/2011 5:38:28 PM

Quote :

"ewwwwwww. My wife has one. It is fine as a gun, but the DAO trigger is terrible. It is somewhere around 8lbs, and it is a 3/4'' pull. That is every shot. There is no indication of when it is going to break the shot, and my wife and I both dislike it. They do sell a short trigger option, which reduces the pull to 3/8'' but doesn't affect the weight at all. shmorri2-especially since you said you wanted the glock trigger lighter, I think this would be an absolutely terrible choice for you. "

lol. I did some research and looked at a few youtube reviews... I'm not excited about it, but I'm still interested/curious to check one out...

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the Glock trigger. I have no complaints over it and I am comfortable and work well with it. I just personally find the lighter trigger nicer. On a 1-10, I'd put the factory glock at 8, and maybe the 3lb at 8.5, maybe a 9. I don't really have much trigger time with other pistols (a few other Glocks, my dad's Taurus 92F, and an XD9). Oddly enough, as much as I enjoy the Glock trigger, I also enjoy my father's smooth 92F da/sa trigger...

And just to play devil's advocate... That same difference in trigger pull that you say might help someone decide to back off in a stressful situation may also be the slightest hesitation that can make a "SNAFU". It really all depends on the situation and there are pros and cons.

Quote :

"I don't think there's any advantage to having a 3 lb vs 5 lb trigger in a defensive gun. "

I concur.

2/15/2011 7:40:23 PM

what's a reasonable offer on a Ruger SP101, .357, 2.25", with Tactical Grip?

not sure how old the model is or the number of rounds through it. My brother's close friend is in a bind and needs to sell it off. I wouldn't mind picking it up but he hasn't told me yet how much he's looking to get.

2/15/2011 7:48:05 PM

$300 would be fair. They are great carry guns. That will be my next purchase.

2/15/2011 9:19:37 PM

Quote :

"Sig P250 Subcompact "

For the price they are going for now(sub $400), I would say go ahead and try it. As mentioned above, the trigger is the main thing people love/hate about it. I actually liked the trigger, but then again, I don't mind DAO's.

2/16/2011 12:56:03 AM

Quote :

"what's a reasonable offer on a Ruger SP101, .357, 2.25", with Tactical Grip? not sure how old the model is or the number of rounds through it. My brother's close friend is in a bind and needs to sell it off. I wouldn't mind picking it up but he hasn't told me yet how much he's looking to get."

Whats a "tactical grip?"
If it's in pretty good condition $300 is reasonable. I'd try for $250 since he's in a bind.

Quote :

"And just to play devil's advocate... That same difference in trigger pull that you say might help someone decide to back off in a stressful situation may also be the slightest hesitation that can make a "SNAFU". It really all depends on the situation and there are pros and cons. "

ehh...I don't really think you can say a 5 lb trigger is too slow. Slow is a 10 lb long travel trigger on a DA revolver and even the heavy Glock NY trigger is much faster than that.

Quote :

"Any personal ammo recommendations?"

For deer just about anything will work. Just don't go lighter than 150 gr or you might run into underpenetration issues. The exceptions to the 150gr suggestion are heavier constructed bullets like any of the bonded bullets, Partitions, or all copper bullets. Most 30-06s shoot better with 165gr bullets anyway.
Hornady's Interlock loads tend to be a little better in accuracy than the cheaper Rem and Win loads and the Hornadys are usually just a couple bucks more expensive.
The same goes for Federal Fusion.
If you might shoot far then Federal Premium with Nosler Ballistic Tips are great (the same as the Win Ballistic Silvertips but without the moly) as are the Fed Premium with Nosler Accubond. Many people have good luck in accuracy with Hornady's SSTs but they don't shoot as well as Nosler BTs in my Tikka T3 in 308.

2/16/2011 1:22:52 AM

just realized i fucked up my post was up there. what i meant was "i don't mind DAO"

damn S beside the D

2/16/2011 4:23:03 PM

I've dry fired a Sig 250 and honestly I didn't think it was as bad as people make it out to be. If you're used to a 1911 or call a Glock a true DA then yeah, you're probably not gonna like it.
The 250 isn't bad compared to a revolver or the DA of the classic DA/SA Sigs. It's smooth and fairly light. The only thing is it doesn't stack up near the end of the travel like most other DA guns. It might not be the best for accuracy but it is a DAO gun after all. At least it's not a Sigma...

2/16/2011 4:40:58 PM

Quote :

". Just don't go lighter than 150 gr or you might run into underpenetration issues."

I normally am right with you, but I have to call BS on that one. Think of all the deer that have been killed by .243 with bullets significantly lighter than that. The bread & butter bullet for the .270 Winchester is the 130-grain, and it kills deer all day long. Hell, that bullet has even killed a number of elk (though I would consider it marginal for this purpose). I shoot 140 grains from my 7mm REM (with ballistic tips); I assure you that I have no problems with adequate penetration.

2/16/2011 5:46:44 PM

The other problem I have with the p250 trigger is the reset, or lack of it. It has to travel all the way back out before it resets. With the extremely long trigger pull, this is a Terrible combination. Honestly though, with the short trigger option I probably wouldnt hate it as much.

2/16/2011 5:58:12 PM

Who has the best prices on ammo? Sportsmans Guide? Midway?
Looking for 30-06

[Edited on February 16, 2011 at 6:29 PM. Reason : .]

2/16/2011 6:22:23 PM

Duke...dude, we're talking about a 30 cal cartridge. There's more to penetration than pure weight. You have to look at sectional density and bullet construction. The sectional density of a 130gr 7mm is close to that of a 150gr .30.

In the context of the current discussion of 30-06 ammo Ill stick with my previous statement. In addition to the sectional density issue, most 30 cal bullets less than 150gr have thin jackets because it's a given that those bullets are going to be used on varmints.

The only times I hear about a 30 cal not going through a deer is when the idiot used a bullet lighter than 150gr or they were shooting the deer while quartering. I have a friend who swears up and down that 308s suck because he shot a big buck broadside and the bullet barely reached the inside of the opposite ribs. I asked about more details and it turns out he shot it at 30 yards with a hot 110gr v-max handload.

[Edited on February 17, 2011 at 12:39 AM. Reason : V-max]

2/17/2011 12:34:28 AM

when i first got into deer hunting i shot 125 gr core lokt .30-06 and i never had a deer take a step after a shot. when i switched to 150 gr, they started running, albeit not far.

yay anecdotal evidence

2/17/2011 6:41:45 AM

^^ ah ok, didn't know we were specifying .30-cal. In that case, I'd feel comfortable shooting them with a .308 loaded with a ballistic tip < 150-gr, but I wouldn't because it would be pointless to do so.

2/17/2011 1:14:05 PM

shots 11 thru 15 out of my new .22-250 at 100 yds and some of my handloads. 40 gr v-max over 33.3 gr of varget (hornady manual starting load). should get even better as i work up a little

2/17/2011 6:32:47 PM

NRR that's pretty sweet....what is your .22-250?

2/17/2011 7:44:26 PM

savage 12 fvss with a leupold vx-III 4.5-14x50 (30 mm tube and side parallax focus)



haven't adjusted the accutrigger yet, but it feels amazing. zero creep, cracks like glass.

what kind of bipod should i put on it? is a harris worth the money or are any of the knockoffs just as good?

[Edited on February 17, 2011 at 11:02 PM. Reason : afds]

2/17/2011 10:50:07 PM

well, if you didn't skimp on the optics, I wouldn't skimp on a quality bipod

2/18/2011 12:03:05 AM

yeah, i'll probably end up with a harris

i also think i need some sort of comb raiser or cheek pad. i bought that scope about 5 or 6 yrs ago back before they had the 50mm obj scopes with the half moon cut so you could mount it low. hard to get a cheek weld like i want.

if it wasn't obvious, i don't give a damn what this thing weighs

[Edited on February 18, 2011 at 12:14 AM. Reason : someday, i'll end up putting a nice bedded stock on it with a higher comb]

2/18/2011 12:13:52 AM

you have the accutrigger, did you get the accustock?

2/18/2011 10:49:33 AM

no, the fvss doesn't come with the accustock

it'll have some kind of bedded plastic stock on it before all's said and done

2/18/2011 12:56:42 PM

yea i picked up a savage edge in .270 a few months ago and i like it pretty good. id doesn't have the accutrigger or accustock, but it does have a fully floated barrel on it

It's plenty good enough for hunting, so i couldn't justify spending any more for it

2/18/2011 1:45:58 PM

nothing wrong with that.

speaking of, i need some .270 brass if anyone has some they wanna get rid of

2/19/2011 9:35:33 AM

Had some fun in the woods this weekend with some guys from OpenCarry.org

Ended up having the fastest time of the day on this pistol course using my Glock 24C.


http://s708.photobucket.com/albums/ww83/MaximaDrvr/?action=view¤t=MOV05615.mp4


[Edited on February 20, 2011 at 7:59 PM. Reason : .]

2/20/2011 7:58:49 PM

Where was that course at?

Also video-taping yourself, while a hassle, is a great tool for determining how much economy of motion you are using in your engagements.

2/21/2011 9:52:40 AM

It was a guy's land south west of apex, off of Old US-1.

5 of us were running the course we had set up, with cardboard targets and steel plates. The plates ranged from 7 yards to 25 yards.

We also had a rifle bay set up behind us that was able to be set up to 300 yards. We didn't do that because none of us wanted to walk that far repeatedly.

2/21/2011 10:27:51 AM

haha the guy videotaping you is a buddy of mine. saw the video of him running the course the other day on facebook. looks like a fun course to run.

2/21/2011 2:14:04 PM

here's my "range"




best group from load development this weekend. still gotta fine tune it. loving this rifle.

2/21/2011 2:30:19 PM

Very nicely done. 100yd?

2/21/2011 2:35:58 PM

my RF says 99. close enough for me

2/21/2011 2:38:41 PM

A friend of mine who is a North Carolina Concealed Handgun Permit is going to be moving to South Carolina in a month or two

Does anyone know his best way to keep his concealed permit? Is it possible to ransfer a NCCHP to a SCCHP? Or will he have to turn in his NCCHP and apply for a SCCHP?

Thanks.

2/21/2011 3:42:41 PM

once he changes his DL, his NC CHP will no longer be legal and he will have to go through the process of getting the SC CHP, which usually requires residency for 90 days IIRC.
Law says you have to change you DL within 30 days (not enforced that I can tell) so there will probably be a lapse.

2/21/2011 8:38:23 PM

Davi's is closing.
Can someone go and call me to tell me what they have left?
interested in firearms only.

2/22/2011 11:21:19 PM