boone!

youre killing me smalls!

11/9/2008 2:52:05 PM

These retorts are too biting for me to stand much longer.


And let me just reiterate for the new page what a coward TKE is. He asked:

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"what do you want more, freedom or safety"

As a rhetorical question, with the assumption that one would choose the latter.

[Edited on November 9, 2008 at 2:54 PM. Reason : ]

11/9/2008 2:52:55 PM

k

[Edited on November 9, 2008 at 2:55 PM. Reason : ]

11/9/2008 2:55:21 PM

Yes, I did.

I gave the same answer Patrick Henry gave.

But I'm picking on your rejection of this 225+ year old value because it's a reflection on the Bush administration as a whole, and demonstrates why historians will treat Bush brutally.

[Edited on November 9, 2008 at 2:57 PM. Reason : ]

11/9/2008 2:56:21 PM

if you followed his advice, youd have about 9 slaves now

sir, i havnt done anything wrong

[Edited on November 9, 2008 at 2:59 PM. Reason : ]

11/9/2008 2:58:35 PM

Same goes for the rest of the slave-holding founding fathers, I presume?

And I wasn't accusing you of anything objectively wrong. Cowardness and Anti-Americanism are subjective things.

[Edited on November 9, 2008 at 3:03 PM. Reason : ]

11/9/2008 3:02:19 PM

not at all, they are racist

and they never had internet

11/9/2008 3:03:10 PM

Those liberal nutjobs Buchanan and Powell, what are they thinking?

http://www.antiwar.com/pat/?articleid=11651

11/9/2008 3:13:09 PM

you done with that?

11/9/2008 3:29:18 PM

So what is this, other than blatant trolling?

I mean, if you started out trolling from the get-go that'd be one thing, but you only resorted to it after you started miserably losing a debate. Pathetic.

11/9/2008 3:35:33 PM

holy fuck, a TKE just called someone racist.

11/9/2008 10:18:06 PM

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"economically speaking, we suffered recently, but to blame THAT on him is stupid, if anyone is to blame it is clinton (the boom and bust) "

what a joke...

Does this mean the dot-com bust was really Bush SR's fault. Apparently the economic policy lag is 7-8 years.

11/10/2008 11:38:07 AM

The future First Lady needs to learn how to dress.....maybe she will figure it out soon.....today she is in this skin tight red dress visiting the White House....maybe she looks weird in typical dresses since she appears to be more muscular than past First Ladies.

[Edited on November 10, 2008 at 2:05 PM. Reason : w]

11/10/2008 2:04:26 PM

Michelle Obama's attire?

is that the latest talking point from Fox News?

11/10/2008 3:49:22 PM

11/10/2008 3:51:39 PM

I voted from Obama, but she has god awful choices of attire.....well, I guess she will be wearing stuff she can get at Target.

11/10/2008 4:13:35 PM

^She is the best dressed first lady we've had in ages.

You don't know it because you don't know anything about fashion.



OMG, IT'S SO TIGHT!!!

[Edited on November 10, 2008 at 4:17 PM. Reason : ...]

11/10/2008 4:15:57 PM

^don't think so....if you men best dressed first lady that will shop at Target, yeah.....she maybe can start the Obama clothing line after the White House years.

11/10/2008 4:20:39 PM

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"if you men best dressed first lady that will shop at Target, yeah"

11/10/2008 5:00:54 PM

she looks great

do you want her to throw on a fuckin' pants suit or some hideous blazer?

11/10/2008 5:27:29 PM

someone needs to caption the photo where it looks like GWB is going to grab Ms. O's ass.

11/10/2008 5:50:24 PM

She will be the most classy first lady since Jackie O'.
..... not that there's been much competition

11/10/2008 8:26:03 PM

i think laura bush is pretty classy. maybe not a trend-setter, but she seems like a genuinely good person.

11/10/2008 8:36:27 PM

what's classy about clown make-up?

i keed, i keed.

kind of

[Edited on November 10, 2008 at 8:44 PM. Reason : .]

11/10/2008 8:44:12 PM

"Classy" might not be the best word for Michelle. I'm thinking "hip."

[Edited on November 10, 2008 at 8:47 PM. Reason : .]

11/10/2008 8:47:19 PM

hehe

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=palin

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"1. Palin 1. An applicant lacking even basic job skills 2. Someone supremely un-self-aware or lacking any relative sense of what he/she does or doesn't know. HR sent me another Palin for the marketing manager job. "

(btw, i don't care for Michelle's dress)

11/10/2008 9:39:58 PM

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"She will be the most classy first lady since Jackie O'. ..... not that there's been much competition"

based on what? What makes her so classy? And what makes every other first lady since Jackie not classy?

11/10/2008 9:40:30 PM

yeah, i think classy is being mistaken for hip, here.

11/11/2008 12:30:11 AM

I don't think i'm gay enough to speculate on the difference.

[Edited on November 11, 2008 at 12:49 AM. Reason : ]

11/11/2008 12:48:52 AM

There many different incarnations of "classy." And "classy" is easy when it comes to fashion. But once you reach a certain level, it's more about being original, developing your own eye, without making any fantastic blunders. Jackie O. isn't just "classy." She's an icon.

Back to Michelle Obama...in my opinion, she's one of the best dressed first ladies in ages because she (1) broke out of the suit and (2) doesn't camouflage her body. It seems easy enough, but those two things are actually strong statements that many women would not be self-assured enough to make. And, roddy, everybody shops at Target.

Some more pictures:













This is the "hippest" I've ever seen her, and I would describe it as stylish, not hip:



This is the only thing I thought missed the mark, but I've read people say it was great:



[Edited on November 11, 2008 at 4:30 AM. Reason : ]

11/11/2008 4:29:15 AM

You mean no more shoulder pads in the white house?

11/11/2008 7:41:50 AM

she is the new jackie o

11/11/2008 7:46:40 AM

awesome.....
the misinformation runs deep. according to exit polls, >50% of McCain voters think Obama is or was Muslim



and it's great to see where McCain supporters priorities lay. "Character", "abortion", and "fighting islamic radicalism", all above small issues like, oh... the economy, healthcare and the wars


http://www.beliefnet.com/News/Politics/2008/11/Beliefnet-Election-2008-Exit-Poll-Results.aspx?p=1

11/11/2008 10:43:57 PM

awesome..... the misinformation runs deep. according to exit polls, < 1% of Obama voters recognize Obama's true Mohammadean nature






all is going according to plan




[Edited on November 11, 2008 at 10:51 PM. Reason : ]

11/11/2008 10:47:15 PM

11/11/2008 10:49:27 PM

abortion was the second most important issue??

jesus christ.

i thought we could all move along from that now, you know, 30 years later.

hell even South Dakota rejected yet another abortion restriction ballot measure.

2nd most important. seriously? SERIOUSLY?

11/11/2008 10:56:05 PM

Eh, I'm sure he was a Muslim when he was a young kid. His father was a Muslim, his step-father was a Muslim, his mom was batshit crazy, and he lived in Indonesia where he attended a Muslim school. I'm sure if you jumped in a time machine and saw him in Indonesia at that point in his life, you would call him Muslim. Now, of course he was a young boy and his religion was dictated by his parents, but it isn't wrong to say that at some point he was a Muslim and is now a Christian.

11/11/2008 10:56:34 PM

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"I'm sure he was a Muslim when he was a young kid"

well there you have it folks. random internet guy is sure he was a muslim

case closed

11/11/2008 11:00:02 PM

^^ Obama never actually attended a "muslim school." He attended a Catholic school, then an Indonesian Public School (that was titled a Public School). The whole madrassa thing was errant reporting by Fox and others.

He lived in Indonesia with his step-father who was a muslim, but this was when he went to the Catholic school, then the Indoesian Public school. Unless you just assumed he was like most other Indonesians, there's no other particular reason to assume he was a muslim. His mom was either an atheist or agnostic (or "secular humanist").

In any case, that still leaves 43% of McCain voters thinking he has "too many" connections to muslims.

So 43% of McCain voters are completely retarded.

[Edited on November 11, 2008 at 11:03 PM. Reason : ]

11/11/2008 11:01:39 PM

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"Obama never actually attended a "muslim school." He attended a Catholic school, then an Indonesian Public School (that was titled a Public School).."

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"Obama has noted in his two books, "Dreams From My Father" and "The Audacity of Hope," that he spent two years in a Muslim school and another two years in a Catholic school while living in Indonesia from age 6 to 10."

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/22/obama.madrassa/

So I guess he was lying eh? Muslim law says he is a Muslim, he attended a Muslim school, I mean... the point is I don't think anyone who met him when he was 6 would say he wasn't a Muslim. It's like, when I was a kid I was considered a Christian. So even though I am not now, if someone said I used to be a Christian it wouldn't be wrong.

[Edited on November 11, 2008 at 11:29 PM. Reason : .]

11/11/2008 11:28:52 PM

^ well I guess the Wa Po is wrong: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/06/was_obama_a_muslim.html

http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck/2007/11/12/obama_has_never_been_a_muslim_1.php

11/11/2008 11:38:20 PM

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"It is true that the Associated Press reported, in passing back in January, that Obama was "enrolled as a Muslim" in a Catholic school in Indonesia in 1967."

From the Wapo article, lolz. Again, I didn't say that he was a practicing Muslim, or that he believed in Muslim theology. But he was a Muslim by most definitions. However wrong it may be to classify children as one religion or another, society does it. He was enrolled as a Muslim in school. You can assume why this was, like they wapo articles does, but it doesn't change the fact that he was.

Again, I see nothing wrong with saying that Obama was a Muslim at some point in his life. If not for 9/11 and everything following it, it wouldn't be a big deal.

11/11/2008 11:57:17 PM

Here is a nice paragraph from Christopher Hitchens, an Obama supporter, regarding Obama supporters such as those that populate this thread.

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"There is an element of the "wannabe" about all this—something that suggests that, if the clock were to be rolled back, every living white person would now automatically stand with John Brown at Harper's Ferry and with John Lewis at the Edmund Pettus Bridge. All the evidence we have is to the contrary: Abraham Lincoln ringingly denounced John Brown, and John F. Kennedy (he of the last young and pretty family to occupy the Executive Mansion) was embarrassed and annoyed by the March on Washington. In other words, there is something pain-free and self-congratulatory about the Obama surge. This has happened before, of course, with the high-sounding talk about the "New Frontier," the "Great Society," and "Morning in America." It's just that this time it's more than usually not affordable. There are many causes of the subprime and derivative horror show that has destroyed our trust in the idea of credit, but one way of defining it would be to say that everybody was promised everything, and almost everybody fell for the populist bait."

http://www.slate.com/id/2204240/

11/11/2008 11:57:47 PM

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"abortion was the second most important issue?? jesus christ. i thought we could all move along from that now, you know, 30 years later. "

I received an email from an evangelical family-member a week before the election with the subject "ONE ISSUE". The text of the email was something like "If you make a decision on a single issue next week, make it abortion", then it included a 30 page powerpoint presentation on abortion, showing fetuses and posters, etc.

I had the same reaction as you. I mean, really? Of all the shit that is happening in the world and the country right now, you think the single most important issue is a 30 year old supreme court decision, that probably doesn't even affect you directly anyway?

[Edited on November 12, 2008 at 12:06 AM. Reason : .]

11/12/2008 12:03:50 AM

^ The hilarious thing is that the right has BEEN IN POWER the past 8 years, with a majority in congress 6 of those years and abortion is STILL legal.

People who think voting for republicans means voting against abortion are idiots, plain and simple.

11/12/2008 12:05:30 AM

^ someone doesn't understand the difference between the judicial and legislative branches of government.

11/12/2008 12:18:01 AM

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"Back to Michelle Obama...in my opinion, she's one of the best dressed first ladies in ages "

Personally I think her fashion taste is but I'm also not voting for politicians based on how their spouses dress.

11/12/2008 12:24:04 AM

yeah.... have to agree w/ ^^
while I do think the abortion issue is overblown in Presidential elections, at least the President has an indirect say on abortion, insomuch as he appoints/nominates Supreme Court justices, who at the moment are the only way Roe v. Wade could possibly be overturned.

Congress doesn't really have jack-shit to say or do with abortion, except for the potential to block supreme court justices they may disagree with. Senators and Representatives running on pro or anti-abortion platforms are being disingenuous with their constituents w/r/t the powers that they will hold when elected to office. (on a side note - when visiting my grandma in FLorida before the election, there was a local TV ad for the county sheriff who said "and I will ensure that marriage stays only between one man and one woman", and my reaction was "ok, as county sheriff, you plan on ensuring this how.....?")

Even with 6 years of Republican Legislative and Executive rule, it's still up to individual Supreme Court Justices to retire whenever they want, so therefore, not many of the more liberal judges were likely to retire while a Republican was in office. And those justices who were replaced still faced the possibility of filibuster by the minority, so a blatantly anti-abortion justice would still not be appointed even with full Republican rule.

[Edited on November 12, 2008 at 12:32 AM. Reason : .]

11/12/2008 12:32:22 AM

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"Again, I didn't say that he was a practicing Muslim, or that he believed in Muslim theology. But he was a Muslim by most my definitions. "

The real issue is most McCain voters either think he is currently a Muslim or used to be, and nearly a third of them think he "still has too many connections." On top of that, a quarter of them are ignorant of his religious background. 75% of McCain voters are ignorant, misinformed, and have irrational suspicions about him. This is frightening and troubling to me, and it should be to you and everyone here.

11/12/2008 12:33:46 AM

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