FroshKiller:

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"...they should've included the fucking statue..."

6/21/2005 2:27:10 PM

giant statues of are stupid in general

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[Edited on June 21, 2005 at 2:36 PM. Reason : bwhaahhahahahahahahah gg on next page ]

6/21/2005 2:36:02 PM

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"7. DC Comics let Batman fans decide the ultimate fate of Jason Todd, the second Robin, by calling a 900 number to vote whether he should live or die. This was a completely ridiculous story that culminated in the Joker being named the Iranian Ambassador to the United Nations by Ayatollah Khomeini. As if that's not retarded enough, the Joker attempted to kill the entire UN with poisonous gas, was thwarted by Superman sucking all the gas into his super-lungs with his super-breath, and tried to get away with it by invoking diplomatic immunity. Batman stories are dumb as hell sometimes."

Wow, that's so ridiculous I wouldn't believe it if the comic didn't already exist.

6/21/2005 3:07:20 PM

What batman statue? Was this in the comic? pics?

6/21/2005 3:23:51 PM

Batman - on the forefront of insulting our nation's political enemies since 1941

6/21/2005 3:24:59 PM

this thread is ridiculous. The movie was good, stop discussing all of this peripheral shennanigans.

I think some people want to hijack this thread and turn it into a classroom fru-fru discussion for comic book 101.

Stop trying to sound so intelligent and turn around and take whats comin to you.

6/21/2005 4:21:45 PM

I disagree that the movie was good, and I will continue to provide rock-solid fucking reasons for that. It's like people going to Burger King and thinking they're getting good coffee. There's much better coffee out there, people should have higher standards, and I'm helping to educate those who would otherwise be satisfied with a subpar product.

[Edited on June 21, 2005 at 4:27 PM. Reason : Post #37,373.]

6/21/2005 4:27:27 PM

of course, a lot of people hate coffee in general

6/21/2005 4:30:42 PM

thats fine, but every one of your 'rock-solid' reasons are all whining about comic book deviations. Its not about the movie, its about whats missing or whats taken too far a stay from the books.

thats just stupid. Only fanboys will care for this type of education..

6/21/2005 4:35:48 PM

I'm pretty sure my major non-comic complaints about the movie were how fucking stupid the whole second half was with the dumb action sequences and how the movie was so terribly paced that it put me to sleep. Maybe you motherfuckers ought to get off this "omg fanboy" kick you're on.

6/21/2005 4:43:15 PM

OK well at least that is getting somewhere. You might have sneaked those in at some point in the thread but by far and large youve mainly been bickering about comic book 'mythos'. While the facts are this 'mythos' is far from public, but more just pure enthusiast.

These reasons are tangible (however nebulous and vague they are) yet still , up for debate outside of the niche comic book realm.

Still, I'd be willing to wager that if you took an average sample of a person who saw the film, 90% would disagree with you. Maybe if you were more specific.

6/21/2005 4:49:21 PM

The comics have been published and made widely available for over six fucking decades. How is that not public? You don't need any kind of fucking membership card to buy a fucking comic book.

Here is a movie about a well defined character with over half a century of storytelling behind him; lots of people have certain expectations about how the story will be presented, and I'm no different. There is absolutely nothing unreasonable about expecting a movie based on another work of fiction to preserve certain crucial elements of that other work; if I were complaining about the costume not being blue and gray, that'd be a fucking nitpick, but I'm talking about core aspects of the character that have been changed.

6/21/2005 4:53:25 PM

"I swear to God!"
"Swear to ME!"

6/21/2005 5:03:03 PM

hahah. Yes I know how long they've been in print. That doesnt make their active reading audience any larger. This is because the % of people to even crack a Batman comic falls in the ENTHUSIAST catagory, no matter how cool I think comics are in general.

But I promise you the 'mythos' of Batman wasnt assimilated into pop culture by the comics.

The vast majority of people know Batman from the Adam West TV series and accompanying movie. That legacy was carried for a couple of generations. Anybody can remember the silly space-ghost detectivish batman,. the 'boooooom' / 'thwaaaaaks'. and the run-around faggoty "holy _____"Robin.

At least until the 90s, when we were reintroducted to another version of the caped bastard by Burton. I still love that bomb-ass Prince soundtrack. Then the later sequels that drove them into the ground.

Now let me ask you, if you are going to reintroduce Batman into TODAYS pop culture and have it actually absorbed and not jeered at , why do you see this movie as so far off?

6/21/2005 5:21:33 PM

I don't think you understand that just because you don't like Batman doesn't mean he left popular culture.

6/21/2005 5:22:23 PM

the point is that there will be far more fans of this movie than there are fans of the comic book series

6/21/2005 5:25:50 PM

...until the hype wears off and they realize the movie kinda blows.

6/21/2005 5:28:49 PM

wtf are all these kids who flunked out of 100 level English doing in here

get them to a self esteem workshop already

the disagreements are wrecking their fragile egos

6/21/2005 5:30:08 PM

what the fuck does my grade in English have to do with whether or not I liked the Batman movie???


and i got an A in English

[Edited on June 21, 2005 at 5:45 PM. Reason : ]

6/21/2005 5:45:35 PM

Froshkiller is not a fan boy. Here's proof.

http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=301632&page=2#6470586

6/21/2005 5:47:30 PM

I don't think you understand self-parody.

6/21/2005 5:51:52 PM

^^...wow

6/21/2005 6:00:34 PM

Sonia, why do you have to blaze in like a limp sidekick and lend frosh ammo.


You dont even know what you are talking about unless you are looking down from your double major high horse. No one gives two shits about doing a grammar or spell check on their fucking posts ALREADY! Its a terrible, played out retort. Funny you bring up ego, its yours that seems to be at work.

Speaking of Robin, you remind me of a sharp-witted wonder boy sidekick to certain thread participants.

6/21/2005 6:06:58 PM

LOOK OUT, RADIOACTIVE MAN!

6/21/2005 6:11:08 PM

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"8. As thanks for his years of courageous service, Gotham City erected a giant statue of Batman in the style of the Statue of Liberty in Gotham Harbor that served as a lighthouse. One Gotham businessman built a house in the shape of Batman's head and shoulders. Seems like most everyone has forgotten about that kind of thing."

I believe all of that was pre-Crisis, which was when Golden Age bullshit reigned Supereme. The bulk of Batman Begins was based solely on events that were written POST-Crisis, such as Year One, and even Dark Knight Returns.

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"6. With the arguably minor exception of the Bat-nipples, everything Joel Schumacher did with the franchise was drawn from the comics themselves. That includes the giant props, the corny jokes, the outrageously implausible technology, and the big rubbery hard-on gayness. Batman is super queer."

The corny jokes was pre-Crisis as well, all of which should be considered non-existant, which is how DC treats it. The rubbery part isn't in comics, by the way, Batman's suit is depicted as skin-tight. The rest isn't what was wrong with Shumacher's Batman films. It was everything else that sucked, especially the neon, acid-trip bullshit.

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"2. The origin of the Joker as told in Alan Moore's Batman: The Killing Joke isn't considered canonical. The true origin of the Joker is unknown"

Wrong. That origin is very much in-continuity, considering quite a few recent stories have touched on it, both in Batman: The Man Who Laughs and the present story in Batman, which features a newly retooled Red Hood.

6/21/2005 6:12:35 PM

Oh and before I duck to avoid the bitch-cannon. I thought i'd mention one thing. Who the fuck are you calling 'kids' anyway.


time to duck frosh's batarangs and your skittery boy-wonder verbal wit powers. Oh NOES!

6/21/2005 6:12:51 PM

recently batman thought metallo was the guy who killed the waynes, but that was proven a plant

they never mentioned the name joe chill

6/21/2005 6:15:28 PM

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"recently batman thought metallo was the guy who killed the waynes, but that was proven a plant they never mentioned the name joe chill"

There was a period in continuity where Joe Chill was considered the Waynes' killer, but that was retconned out of existence. Their killer is presently unknown.

6/21/2005 6:16:38 PM

Spell check? Rhetoric.

6/21/2005 6:18:40 PM

^sentence fragments

6/21/2005 6:20:34 PM

Hi kettle.

Out of morbid curiosity, does anyone think they're going to change my mind about this movie over the Internet? Just because I didn't think this was the greatest adaptation of Batman ever on screen doesn't mean anyone else should feel defensive about it.

6/21/2005 6:25:07 PM

sup pot

6/21/2005 6:26:04 PM

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"wtf are all these kids who flunked out of 100 level English doing in here get them to a self esteem workshop already the disagreements are wrecking their fragile egos "

Don't backpedal now that you've been called out. Fuck a fragile ego. I only starting flaming b/c you sounded arrogant as hell, kid.

6/21/2005 6:35:14 PM

Who the hell are you?

[Edited on June 21, 2005 at 6:38 PM. Reason : If your name begins with K oops]

[Edited on June 21, 2005 at 6:38 PM. Reason : While we're backpedalling can we go to page 9 with my original complaints?]

6/21/2005 6:36:25 PM

you askin me or him?

6/21/2005 6:39:13 PM

hahah, what type of tripe question is that. Are we measuring post-count differences? If so, thats really pathetic.

6/21/2005 6:42:00 PM

i guess she was talkin to you

[Edited on June 21, 2005 at 6:47 PM. Reason : ]

6/21/2005 6:47:39 PM

question: how long has it been since you've seen batman and batman returns?

i haven't seen the new film yet, but can guarantee it's going to have a hard time beating burton's standard in one and two. burton did well to capture the dark art of the comic/story. returns is going to be especially hard to outdo.

just give me a batman that bleeds and drives a tank.

[Edited on June 21, 2005 at 7:01 PM. Reason : .]

6/21/2005 7:00:24 PM

i love batman and batman returns. Returns is my fave followed by the first. I'd have to see Begins at least a couple of more times before I decided where they go in order to those two.

You do have to seperate this version of batman from Burton's. Totally differnet cinematic display. Which I think is great, hollywood is bogged down with tons of remakes and redos. Shit look at our next big summer movie thats looming

6/21/2005 7:07:36 PM

dukes of hazzard looks funny though. i don't care if it's a remake or not.

don't quote me on that though, i haven't seen it yet.

6/21/2005 7:09:54 PM

Batman Returns is fucking weak. Michelle Pfeiffer (sp?) and Danny DeVito played their characters well, but other than that there's nothing in the plot or action that is in any way compelling. As much as I hate the Batman universe that Joel Schumacher created, Batman Forever is at least salvageable due to Jim Carrey's funny, spastic performance.

6/21/2005 7:10:08 PM

see i totally disagree

i loved batman returns. LOVED it.

forever was aight, too.

6/21/2005 7:12:24 PM

i really enjoyed the movie. comparing it to the others is a bit rough, simply because as it has been discussed; they're all vastly different.

6/21/2005 7:31:27 PM

In my darkest of hours I was never as much of a lamer trekkie as some people seem to be over Batman.

6/21/2005 11:33:00 PM

SPIDERMAN DID NOT KILL GWEN STACY

6/21/2005 11:42:44 PM

Who the crap is Gwen Stacy?!?!! She wasn't in either of the movies!!

6/22/2005 2:00:11 AM

HAL JORDAN IS THE ONE TRUE GREEN LANTERN

6/22/2005 2:12:16 AM

Spider-Man killed the hell out of Gwen Stacy and a rock is more interesting than Hal Jordan!

6/22/2005 2:41:39 AM

Nolan, et al, get gutter on Katie Holmes and Robin:

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"Actress Katie Holmes has been rumoured to have been dropped from a "Batman Begins" sequel according to sources for Page Six. Movie bosses have been thrilled with the response to "Batman Begins", but Holmes wont reprise her role as district attorney Rachel Dawes reportedly because Warner Bros. is angry her engagement to Tom Cruise has stolen media attention away from the movie. "Everyone is in agreement that the movie's strength is with Christian Bale, Michael Caine and Morgan Freeman. [Holmes] won't be in the sequel ... the next romantic interest will be a much stronger actress. Warner is happy that people are now focusing on who'll be playing the Joker rather than Katie and Tom" says a source for the paper. Even amongst its swath of positive reviews, many cited Holmes performance as the one flaw amongst otherwise unanimously acclaimed performances. Meanwhile, Director Chris Nolan apparently spoke with Laceby News about whether he'd come back to direct a sequel - "If David's writing it, Christian's still Batman, and everyone else is returning.....me not returning would be like the only student of a graduating class skipping the big day to wash the car" said the British helmer. He dropped some other hints such as "Like Begins, one clear cut villain isn't the plan [though]" and the likelihood of Robin appearing "The studio wasn't interested in Robin. We weren't either. This is a young Batman, so Robin's a few films....not for a few pictures anyway. Dick Grayson's still in a crib somewhere. I seriously doubt I will even be involved when Robin's in the franchise" says Nolan. "

6/23/2005 12:46:02 PM

gotta resign gary oldman too, Gordon is vital

6/23/2005 6:23:40 PM