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Mtan Man214
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Beta testing is over and the game is awsome. But 15 bucks a month +retail software price seems a lil steep for a game. Anyone here planning on playing? or is it just way too much money?

11/19/2004 1:52:24 PM

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I guarantee you that there's way more than $15 a month in your budget that you're really wasting on things nowhere near as fulfilling as a good MMORPG can be.

11/19/2004 1:53:27 PM

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The game experience is unlike anything you find in a single player game or standard multiplayer games. I think its well worth the fee. Besides, if i stay at home just one night and play WoW instead of going to a bar, its already paid for itself.

11/19/2004 1:54:02 PM

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"I guarantee you that there's way more than $15 a month in your budget that you're really wasting on things nowhere near as fulfilling as a good MMORPG can be."


I'd challenge you to find one.

theres not much one can do with 350 a month after bills, food and gas.

Please dont jump to the conclusion that everyone is a spoiled rich kid

11/19/2004 1:56:47 PM

FroshKiller
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If you can't afford $15 a month on entertainment, you have no business owning a computer in the first place.

11/19/2004 2:00:07 PM

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Easy there dude. Im certainly no rich kid, and i have a pretty tight budget. But $15 for pretty equates to one night out drinking (usually i spend more).

SO again, if i even stay home one night, its already paid for itself.

11/19/2004 2:00:19 PM

Mtan Man214
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Well, seeing as schoolwork and work has to be done, a computer was a pretty logical buy.

I don't go out to the bars, and cook all of my meals at home.

I could easily budget the 50 for retail, and maybe even 5 a month. But i dont even pay 15 a month for highspeed internet.

It would cost 200 for the first year to play this game. Thats almost a full months rent

11/19/2004 2:08:06 PM

nastoute
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you're being stupid

almost everyone throws away 15 buck a month

easily

11/19/2004 2:13:08 PM

Mtan Man214
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yeah everyone does throw 15 bucks away a month, but on a college budget, i'd rather spend that money on something that i use more than 4 hours a week, and can get something beneficial out of it.

I guess i'm the only one that feels that paying retail price and then having to paying 150 a year is a bit absurd for a video game.

11/19/2004 2:20:40 PM

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it is absurd

but that's the nature of pay to play

and unless you pay

YOU CAN'T PLAY

get back on bittorent and go steal yourself a game cheapskate

11/19/2004 2:22:24 PM

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180 a year

11/19/2004 2:34:17 PM

Mtan Man214
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150 a year if you buy 2 6 month subscriptions

or 170 a year, since you get a free trial month

11/19/2004 2:37:59 PM

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"Well, seeing as schoolwork and work has to be done, a computer was a pretty logical buy."


Computer labs. You're paying for them anyway.

Anyway, you're not paying that much a year for the game. The game is merely the frontend for a larger service. What you're paying for is continued development of new content and the maintenance of a vast community of players. MMORPGS are experiences, hobbies, not just games.

11/19/2004 2:52:43 PM

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"theres not much one can do with 350 a month after bills, food and gas."


um, are you kidding me? that's like $12/day in disposable income. yeah, it sounds like you're really hard up.

11/19/2004 2:54:28 PM

Mtan Man214
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that would be 350 minus gas minus food minus bills which leaves about 50 a month for a dinner out

11/19/2004 3:33:30 PM

nastoute
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welp

time for your poor ass to get a second job

11/19/2004 3:39:09 PM

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well if youre only gonna play it 4 hours a week then yea this game isnt worth buying even if you have the money really

11/19/2004 3:39:14 PM

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how much is WoW in stores?

pretty sure i'm gonna pick this bad boy up.

no use in getting into a MMORPG unless you're there for the startup IMO.

11/19/2004 3:42:07 PM

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Looks like Mtan Man was just being a fucking idiot.

That wasn't a real question, was it you stupid faggot? "Is it just way too much money?"

We all know it isn't, so we tell you so... and now you have your excuse to cry about how poor you are, and how we're all "spoiled rich kids" because we are fucking intelligent enough to put 15 dollars away a month to play a game.

FUCK YOUR COUCH

PS cry more

11/19/2004 3:46:17 PM

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Oh yeah also --

I made another thread about it, but in case nobody saw it -- I'm starting up a guild that's gonna go on a PVP server. Anybody who's interested in joining the guild (or just playing on the same server so the Tdubbers can play together) just hollar at me, I'll try to coordinate it.

11/19/2004 3:47:26 PM

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Even though I am addicted to FFXI, I am going to get WoW since it claims to not take up too much of your time. For those times, like last night, when I had two hours left that I could play when my party broke so I was stuck with not much to do for two hours except twiddle my thumbs. There wasn't enough time to get a party together or wait to get into one, and my decent farming spot was over camped. So it is times like those when WoW will be a nice change.

11/19/2004 5:19:34 PM

McDanger
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You're kidding. Stop playing that piece of trash game and do yourself a favor.

11/19/2004 7:09:58 PM

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If $15 a month is too much for you, but you're willing to pay retail...then go Guild Wars. I don't know when it comes out, but it's virtually an MMO and has no monthly fee. I played the 5 day trial thing awhile back and it's pretty sweet.

11/19/2004 11:30:21 PM

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I think the monthly fee will be worth it. Heck, I would have almost paid that to play when I got in the beta over a year ago.

11/19/2004 11:52:08 PM

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" more than 4 hours a week"


if thats how much time you spend playing a mmorpg per week then don't bother....

11/20/2004 6:00:40 AM

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i havent found a game that i can seriously get into for about 3 years. if this game keeps me hooked for a year+ i'd gladly pay for the game and the subsequent fees rather than buy a game every other month for 50 that i only play for a month. i think this game'll be worth it.

11/20/2004 1:09:58 PM

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I'll be making "the official" W.O.W. thread on Tuesday, the same day as the release, that way we can all join the same (Normal) server and make an NCSU guild.

11/20/2004 1:31:38 PM

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I'm already making a guild for a PVP server that I have a few people interested in... there are so many options in this game that it'll be impossible to make a purely NCSU guild (some people will want to play horde, some alliance... some won't want to be on PVP servers, etc).

11/20/2004 1:51:39 PM

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It is possible, you just have to want to join.

For the normal server, it makes no difference b/c you can be both horde AND alliance.

For the PVP server, HORDE is the way to go anyway, since every ten-year old on the east coast will want to make a gnomish mage.

We'll have to show them whose boss, undead mages :]

11/20/2004 2:27:55 PM

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I very much want to play that game... but I have a laptop with a pretty crappy video card... it did run the open beta, just not pretty. Occasional lag issues, but nothing that ever got me killed. Buuut... I don't think I can convince myself it's worth all that money. I don't like the pay per month scheme... I fear it'll go something like "man, I spent all that money on the game this month... I'd better go play it some more so I get my money's worth!" This would probaby have a negative impact on grades.

My goal is to take at least some of the time I would have spent playing WoW and use it to practice karate. That way instead of having a powerful character -- faster, stronger, better 1s and 0s -- I myself can be faster, stronger, better. I hope I can stick with that.

11/20/2004 2:36:40 PM

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If you feel as if you have to play wow to get your moneys worth, this is not the right game for you.

I play wow to own punkass bitches, simply put.

11/20/2004 2:42:53 PM

McDanger
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^^ Hey, you're the chick that can hyper-extend her elbow! Hahaha, I remember you because that, simply put, made a lasting impression.

11/20/2004 2:47:04 PM

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PVP servers are the only way to go guys

11/20/2004 2:54:28 PM

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^^ Had no idea my poor arm could leave such an impression. It makes some of the karate moves a bit difficult... have to be careful on some of the blocks, but it hasn't gone crazy yet. *knocks on wood*

I enjoyed playing around in the open beta a lot, I started Sunday and got up to a level 16 Tauren Hunter... but I shouldn't have been playing as much as I was. My willpower isn't as strong as it ought to be, and if I don't have the game, I can't lose to the temptation to play the game! I may try and convince a friend to let me mess around in the game occasionally... but I won't be playing it very seriously. Kinda sad... I like cooperative games, and this one seemed pretty good for it. Playing WITH my friends, sharing items, grouping, and so on... instead of a kind of game where we're all trying to kill each other! Of course, they all want to play PvP, and I'd rather not... I dislike being killed and I (generally) don't want to make other people unhappy by killing them... exceptions are made for assholes, though.

11/20/2004 3:55:05 PM

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Well if the point of the game is PVP, then it's not ruining their good time by killing them.

Sometimes the best fun I have in a PVP game is when I fight the zerg and get wiped out, laughing the whole time.

11/20/2004 4:09:37 PM

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gosh man i always play PVP and i never get mad..you have the choice to play PVP or not..if you choose to play PVP then obviously you are planning on killing other people and dying yourself some too. Ive never known anyone to get pissed off that someone else killed them in a PVP...thats the fun of it. i think maybe youre confused saltwterkiss.

also i played PVP on open beta and i went around with a group...sharing loot and trading items to each other that each of us needed and we never attacked each other all being orcs and in the same group and stuff..PVP does not mean total chaos

11/20/2004 4:13:22 PM

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*shrug* Perhaps I'm just strange... but I usually format my strategies in games so that I die as few times as possible. In games like Halo, this often means I don't get the most kills -- but I'm happy when I have the fewest deaths, and when my kill/death ratio is very high. I liked CS, the few times I played it, because the lack of respawn encouraged this sort of cautious behavior. I'm cautious in other types of games, too -- I never once died when I played through Fable. The only major exception to this was a character I had on a MUD that constantly used the teleport spell (moved you to a random room). Great for exploring, but I constantly ended up in nasty areas and consequently lost all of my equipment.

It wouldn't so much be me choosing to play PVP -- it would be my friends choosing to play PvP, and me choosing to play with them. I think (if I were playing) that the benefits of playing with my friends would outweigh my dislike for PvP... but I would prefer to be able to play with them and still opt to be a "non-combatant." I won't hurt you, so you can't hurt me... I did try PvP briefly in the beta... it was amusing watching people swarm around in a herd, but it didn't really leave me with any sense of accomplishment. The death system in WoW is nice, pretty forgiving... but still. I just don't like dying. Maybe I'm "too attached to my character", maybe I'm just a wuss... but I would rather stay alive and do something other than try to smash someone else's character.

11/20/2004 5:09:04 PM

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i know about 10-15 ncsu guys playing WoW and we're all going Alliance on a PvP server. If you're interested in getting on the same server let me know and i'll keep you updated on which one we get on. going to make an ncsu guild most likely.

wow i'm a nerd.

11/20/2004 5:24:29 PM

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wow i'm a nerd."


Only because you're playing alliance.

11/20/2004 5:50:05 PM

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someone detail the races fro alliance and horde

and the pros and cons of each

11/20/2004 9:04:52 PM

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I would have loved to have seen the stats on how many characters of each race there were on the server... I really wondered whether more people were playing alliance or horde.

I didn't get to enough places to see the racial makeup... I was mostly in Mulgore, Durotaur, or The Barrens (with a couple of brief trips to Booty Bay and Ashenvale), so mostly I saw Taurens, Orcs, and Trolls. And a good number of night elf raids with the occasional human/dwarf/gnome.

11/20/2004 9:12:56 PM

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Not sure about there are pros and cons of different races per se.... so i'll list them and the classes they can be as well as racial bonus skills:

Dwarves:
Hunter, Warrior, Paladin, Priest, Rogue

Stoneform (Active) Activate to gain immunity to poison, disease, and bleed + 5% AC bonus - lasts 20 sec - 3 min cooldown
Gun Specialization (Passive) Dwarves get +5 to Gun Skill
Frost Resistance (Passive) All Dwarves get +10 Cold Resistance
Treasure Finding (Passive) Activate to see treasure chests on mini map - lasts until canceled

Gnomes:
Warrior, Rogue, Mage, Warlock

Escape Artist (Active) Activate to break out of a Root or Snare effect - 1.5 sec cast - 1 min cooldown
Expansive Mind (Passive) Increase Intelligence by 5%.
Arcane Resistance (Passive) All Gnomes get +10 Arcane Resistance
Technologist (Passive) 15 skill bonus to Engineering

Human:
Warlock, Warrior, Mage, Paladin, Priest, Rogue

Perception (Active) Activate to increase stealth detection radius by 10 yards - lasts 20 sec - 3 min cooldown
The Human Spirit (Passive) Increase Spirit by 5%.
Diplomacy (Passive) 10% bonus to faction point gain.
Sword Specialization (Passive) Humans get +5 to Sword skill.

Night Elf
Hunter, Druid, Warrior, Priest, Rogue

Shadowmeld (Active) Activate while immobile and out of combat to enter stealth mode - lasts until canceled - no cooldown
Quickness (Passive) Dodge chance increased by 2%.
Wisp Spirit (Passive) Become a wisp when dead with movement speed increase of 50% (25% faster then normal ghost)
Arcane Resistance (Passive) All Night Elves get +10 Nature Resistance


Horde:

Orc
Hunter, Warlock, Warrior, Shaman, Rogue

Blood Fury (Active) Activate to increase Strength by 25% but take 5% health loss every 3 seconds - lasts 20 sec - 2 min cooldown
Hardiness (Passive) 25% resistance to stun and knockout effects.
Command (Passive) Pet melee damage increased by 5%.
Axe Specialization (Passive) Orcs get +5 to Axe skill.

Troll
Hunter, Warrior, Shaman, Rogue, Priest, Mage

Berserking (Active) Activate when "Wounded" to increase melee and spellcasting speed by 25% - lasts 20 sec - 2 min cooldown
Regeneration (Passive) 10% health regen bonus, 10% active in combat.
Beast Slaying (Passive) 5% damage bonus to Beasts
Throwing Weapon Specialization (Passive) Trolls get +5 to Throwing Weapon skill

Tauren
Hunter, Druid, Warrior, Shaman

War Stomp (Active) Activate to stun opponents within 5 yards - lasts 2 sec - 2 min cooldown
Endurance. (Passive) Max Health increased by 5%
Cultivation (Passive) 15 skill bonus to Herbalism
Nature Resistance (Passive) All Tauren get +10 Nature Resistance

Undead
Warrior, Warlock, Mage, Rogue, Priest

Will of the Forsaken (Active) Activate to become immune to fear, sleep, and charm effects - lasts 20 sec - 3 min cooldown
Cannibalize (Active) Increase health regeneration by 200% while consuming a corpse - lasts 15 sec - 3 min cooldown
Underwater Breathing (Passive) Underwater breath increased by 4x
Shadow Resistance (Passive) All Undead get +10 Shadow Resistance





[Edited on November 21, 2004 at 12:40 AM. Reason : ()]

11/21/2004 12:30:52 AM

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Here is a listing of where a lot of the pvp guilds are going to be playing and what sides:
http://www.afraidyet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1079

Apparently, the East/Central PvP server will be Archimonde and the Pacific/Mountain PvP server will be Blackrock.

My guild (Kali Compton) is going to be playing Alliance on Pacific.

Edit: I also heard that several Wal-Mart's around the country have put it on the shelves early. I was near the one on Glenwood tonight so I checked it out, they didn't have it. You can't play until Tuesday regardless, but they haven't said what time Tuesday that the servers will come up.

[Edited on November 21, 2004 at 12:49 AM. Reason : .]

11/21/2004 12:45:15 AM

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Im going to be primarily on a non-pvp server with some friends, and some olf linkshell mates from ffxi, though im sure ill probably make a char on a pvp server at some point

11/21/2004 2:40:26 AM

Rofeletan
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Gonna be on probably a lesser pop PvP server but Won't start till after Christmas too broke to buy it now

11/21/2004 2:43:11 AM

Stimwalt
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Bous, I suggest telling your friends to go HORDE, otherwise you will be at the receiving end of our pwnage.

11/21/2004 11:15:31 AM

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i'm going to play with bous, i'm going to play with bous

11/21/2004 11:28:00 AM

McDanger
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I suggest everybody find a central time zone server to play on. During beta, I played both eastern and central time zone servers... the eastern ones were clogged with european players who don't have a server of their own. Ping in this game doesn't matter much at all... and the difference between like a ping of 80ms to the central server over 50ms to the eastern one won't matter at all when the server itself is experiencing processing lag.

11/21/2004 12:09:01 PM

StudentDrone
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All the servers are either in Virginia or California anyway.

11/21/2004 1:16:49 PM

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FroshKiller

What ever happened to your Orc Pirates idea?

11/21/2004 2:44:19 PM

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