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"...Noah fathered Shem, Ham, and Yefeth. Man began to increase on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them. The sons of God saw that the daughters of man were good, and they took themselves wives from whomever they chose. God said, 'My spirit will not continue to judge man forever, since he is nothing but flesh. His days shall be 120 years.' The nephilim were on the earth in those days and also later. The sons of God had come to the daughters of man and had fathered them. They were the mightiest ones who ever existed, men of renown."

- Genesis 6:1-4

This is a question for Christians, I guess, but also any other biblical scholars. What, exactly, were the nephilim? Is there any sort of consensus on this?

7/27/2005 9:50:18 PM

Some people think they're aliens or some shit.

7/27/2005 9:50:56 PM

ungodly, violent men from the union of the cainites and sethits
they talk about those groups in chapters 4 and 5 respectively

[Edited on July 27, 2005 at 9:56 PM. Reason : .]

7/27/2005 9:54:12 PM

giants duh - demons came and boned the womens and they got knocked up with giant nephilim babies

7/27/2005 10:17:52 PM

Bingo. The "sons of god" referred to in Genesis 6 above are in fact FALLEN ANGELS. This correlates to the "UFO" and "alien" phenomenon. There are "aliens" that have visited earth and taken people against their will. Those "aliens" are fallen angels.

Here is an excellent article I read on the issue. It is very long, but VERY insightful.

Fallen Watchers by Jason Guenther
http://www.ryanmcginty.com/fallen

7/27/2005 10:33:44 PM

you know
i agreed with salisbury boy for like 10 words

they are supposedly either angels who came to earth and fucked our women
or the mulatto offspring of such a union

7/27/2005 10:48:52 PM

And 120 years does seem to be the modern cap. Some French lady was supposedly 121 a few years ago, but she had no birth certificate. Same with a guy in Cuba, so who knows. . .

[Edited on July 27, 2005 at 10:55 PM. Reason : ]

7/27/2005 10:55:28 PM

maybe they are the thetons that Tom Cruise is seeking to rid himself of

7/27/2005 10:59:03 PM

Any serious answers? I've wondered this for years.

7/28/2005 9:27:13 AM

my answer was serious

7/28/2005 9:30:48 AM

Many biblical scholars believe that the nephilim is actually a shark riding on an elephant's back, just tromping around eating everything that they see.

7/28/2005 9:52:22 AM

my vote would be that they're another obvious fairy tale

7/28/2005 10:18:27 AM

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7/28/2005 10:22:25 AM

my answer was serious

7/28/2005 10:23:06 AM

Its a good band name. I'm going to go ahead make some "Nephilim" t-shirts.

7/28/2005 10:26:46 AM

You're a few years too late.

7/28/2005 10:27:11 AM

7/28/2005 10:27:23 AM

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"my vote would be that they're another obvious fairy tale"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Giant_(mythology)

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"Just take a look at the many different news headlines from The New York Times and Washington Post which gained national attention during the 19th and 20th centuries: WASHINGTON POST HEADLINES: · AN INDIAN GIANT’S TOMB [Nov 18, 1883] · A RACE OF GIANTS [Mar 16, 1884] · THE BONES OF A GIANT [Dec 9, 1887] · INDIANS SEVEN FEET TALL [Feb 10. 1890] · Dug Up a Skeleton Eight Feet Long [Dec 4, 1898] · GIANTS IN THOSE DAYS; Monster Skeleton Discovered in the Miami Valley [Dec 25, 1898] · GIANTS' SKELETONS IN A CAVE [Jun 17, 1899] · EARLY AMERICAN GIANTS. ; Reasons for Believing that a Race of 20-footers Lived in Arizona. [Mar 11, 1900] · BONES OF GIANT ANCIENTS [Jul 3, 1903] · Giants’ Graves [Sep 20, 1903] · OLD TIME GIANTS [Oct 25, 1906] · GIANT IN ANCIENT MOUND [Jun 23, 1908] · SOME HISTORIC GIANTS [Aug 17, 1908] · FIND PREHISTORIC GIANT [Feb 3. 1909] · Giant Human Skeletons, 12 feet Long, are Found [Jun 22, 1925] · PREHISTORIC BONES REVEAL TRAGEDY OF GIANTS' LOST RACE [Nov 20, 1927] · Evidence of Giants Bared by Mounds [Jun 15, 1930] · 3 Huge Skeletons Of Humans Found [Apr 24, 1932] · WEIRD GIANTS of a DEAD PAST [May 29, 1932] · Oklahoma Indian Relics Unearthed; Thigh Bone of 9-Foot Man Found in Mound [Aug 26, 1934] · Largest Skull Ever Recorded is Discovered By Archeologist in Stafford County, Virginia [Jun 24, 1937] · Major Finds Grave of Giant Aleutian [Sep 16, 1944] · Giant's Skeleton Found by Soviets [Oct 30, 1945] · Mammoth Jaws Hint Existence of Prehistoric Giants [Jul 15, 1946] · Giant Skeleton [Feb 9, 1972] THE NEW YORK TIMES HEADLINES: · SKELETON OF GIANT FOUND [Nov 21, 1856] · Reported Discovery of a Huge Skeleton [Dec 25, 1868] · THE EARLY AMERICAN GIANT [Feb 8, 1876] · BONES OF ALLEGED BROOKLYN GIANTS [Feb 6, 1880] · TWO VERY TALL SKELETONS [Aug 10, 1880] · THE BONES OF A GIANT FOUND [May 25, 1882] · THE GRAVEYARD OF THE GIANTS [Jul 10, 1883] · SKELETONS SEVEN FEET LONG [Mar 5, 1885] · MONSTER SKULLS AND BONES [Apr 5, 1888] · SKELETONS OF A FORMER RACE [Jun 30, 1888] · SKELETON OF A BIG INDIAN [Aug 17, 1889] · A RACE OF INDIAN GIANTS [Feb 9, 1890] · MR. JEFFERSON'S CYCLOPS. ; A GIANT SKELETON UNEARTHED AT BUZZARD'S BAY [Jul 5, 1891] · A Race of Giants in Old Gaul [Oct 3, 1892] · GIANTS OF OTHER DAYS [Mar 3, 1894] · A TALL SKELETON FOUND NEAR PHOENIX [Mar 22, 1896] · GIANT SKELETONS FOUND [Feb 11, 1902] · FIND GIANT INDIANS' BONES [Sep 7, 1904] · GIANT RACE IN GREENLAND [Dec 19, 1904] · A NEW RACE OF GIANTS [Dec 25, 1904] · GIANTS' SKELETONS FOUND [May 4, 1908] · STRANGE SKELETONS FOUND [May 4, 1912] · FOUND GIANTS IN CHINA [Jan 27, 1914] · GIANTS' BONES IN MOUND [Jul 14, 1916] · Unearths Skeleton of Indian Giant [Jun 14, 1923] · FIND SKELETON OF GIANT [Mar 17, 1924] · FIND FLORIDA GIANTS' BONES [Feb 15, 1925] · GIANTS' BONES IN MEXICO [Jun 21, 1925] · GIANTS SURVIVE THE AGE OF FABLE [Jul 12, 1925] · HEADLESS GIANT BODIES FOUND IN PARIS GRAVES [Aug 7, 1925] · UNEARTH THE BONES OF TEN-FOOT GIANTS [May 14, 1926] · Skeleton of Giant Early Man Reported Unearthed in Mexico [Jun 9, 1930] · REPORTS FIND OF BONES OF MEN 8 FEET TALL [Dec 2, 1930] · EIGHT MT. CARMEL SKELETONS REACH LONDON [Jan 11, 1933] · Bones of Huge Man Reported [Feb 14, 1936] · HINTS ‘GIANT’ ANCESTORS [Jul 15, 1946] · GIANT BONES IN RUSSIA [Jan 29, 1947] · ‘Largest’ Ape Man Found in Africa; Indicated to Top 9-Foot Java Man [Dec 1, 1948] "

[Edited on July 28, 2005 at 11:49 AM. Reason : four]

7/28/2005 11:45:14 AM

you realize that these giants lived for maybe 20,000 years and existed before history?

7/28/2005 1:31:16 PM

How exactly do giants become extinct?

7/28/2005 1:39:24 PM

could not produce viable offspring, could not feed, or were destroyed by other hominids.

How the fuck else do you think they became extinct.

your question is like asking, how did the neandrathals become extinct.

7/28/2005 1:41:13 PM

i don't imagine that giants would have many natural predators.

7/28/2005 1:45:51 PM

dear jesus fucking christ. Think during the time period assface. It's not like they were competing against lemurs. There Megafauna out there. And the giants they are refering to are not 20 fucking feet tall

you have to be officially the dumbest person ever.

[Edited on July 28, 2005 at 1:51 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on July 28, 2005 at 1:51 PM. Reason : .]

7/28/2005 1:47:49 PM

its official now?

What were these giant animals that ate giant people? Mastadons? Ooooh, ooooh, dinosaurs? Did they eat people too? Why did people survive? Surely you have all the answers.

Why was a race of large people less apt to survive than normal size people? Thats what I'm asking.

[Edited on July 28, 2005 at 1:54 PM. Reason : .]

7/28/2005 1:52:26 PM

who said anything about predators. I said competitors. And yes, a fucking mastadon would easily kill a 10 foot tall hominid.

7/28/2005 1:53:40 PM

a mastadon would also easily kill a normal hominid. so why are the big people extinct?

7/28/2005 1:55:33 PM

Fields of the Nephilim is a band

7/28/2005 1:59:44 PM

firstly, They were never humans. the giants were mainly ape

Secondly, you are a fucking retard if you cannot discover how they became extinct so easily

thirdly, competition for food

fourthly, how long development of the offspring largely affects survivability

fifthly, no one knows for sure, but we do know them to be extinct.


Next thing I know you'll be asking about Piltdown Man and how he became extinct.

7/28/2005 2:01:54 PM

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"They were never humans. the giants were mainly ape"

And how do you know that?

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"Secondly, you are a fucking retard if you cannot discover how they became extinct so easily"

Its understandable if they were giant apes, but you have yet to show this.

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"thirdly, competition for food"

So why were you giant apes so bad at getting food?

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"fourthly, how long development of the offspring largely affects survivability"

Well, no shit. Evidently you are also acutely aware of giant ape growth cycles.

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"fifthly, no one knows for sure, but we do know them to be extinct."

We know that they don't presently exist. Do we know for certain that they did at some point?

I was hoping for an intelligent discussion, but you're obviously not capable of one. You would rather present your ideas along with insults in the hopes that namecalling would somehow help your case.

7/28/2005 3:23:11 PM

I cannot hold an intelligent conversation with someone who is naturally unintelligent. do some damn research yourself first, then will have a discussion as to why the became extinct.

7/28/2005 3:24:51 PM

did david pwnt a 10 foot tall ape?

7/28/2005 3:25:25 PM

can you hold an intelligent conversation about the ancient giants of the bible, anyway?

7/28/2005 3:26:54 PM

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"I cannot hold an intelligent conversation with someone who is naturally unintelligent."

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"You would rather present your ideas along with insults in the hopes that namecalling would somehow help your case."

Case in point.

7/28/2005 3:27:30 PM

listen. If you want an intelligent conversation, you'll have to bring something to the table instead of asking grade school questions. I will not hold a story time with you, because obviously, you are not capable of self thought.

7/28/2005 3:28:44 PM

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"You would rather present your ideas along with insults in the hopes that namecalling would somehow help your case."

Please share your knowledge oh wise one.

7/28/2005 3:30:25 PM

here is a better idea

open a fucking book or

http://www.google.com

7/28/2005 3:33:47 PM

But you are the source of all knowledge.

Please do more than talk shit.

7/28/2005 3:36:30 PM

who the fuck let chit chat into the soapbox?

7/28/2005 3:41:22 PM

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"I was hoping for an intelligent discussion, but you're obviously not capable of one. You would rather present your ideas along with insults in the hopes that namecalling would somehow help your case."

I give up.

7/28/2005 3:50:04 PM

how the fuck can I have an intelligent conversation with you when this is your first fucking question

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"How exactly do giants become extinct?"

7/28/2005 3:53:11 PM

Supposing that giants did exist, I'm curious as to why they were less fit to survive than homo sapiens. You then went off on your little giant ape/shit talking diatribe.

How this makes you more intelligent is beyond me.

7/28/2005 3:57:20 PM

The same reason why Megafauna went extinct.


If you were to use your brain, you'd realize

1) Large animals require more food to survive
2) The need for more food creates more competetion
3) Absence of food leads to death
4) extinction was caused by the unfittablity of the giant apes like Java man because they were not capable of competetition

[Edited on July 28, 2005 at 4:02 PM. Reason : .]

7/28/2005 3:57:52 PM

couldn't giants have been hunted down like dodos? if we like killing something we do a damn good job of it.

ask:
American Indians

[Edited on July 28, 2005 at 4:00 PM. Reason : d]

7/28/2005 3:59:28 PM

There are several theories regarding the extinction of megafauna - climate change and human activity being the two big ones.

If giants did in fact exist and were intelligent enough to interact with humans as the bible claims, then why weren't they intelligent enough to survive climate change like humans did? If they were larger than humans, than why were humans able to kill them off?

^ Indians were killed off by disease, destruction of their food supply, superior firepower, and various other reasons. None of these would have been major factors in the giant/man battle that you hint at.

[Edited on July 28, 2005 at 4:07 PM. Reason : .]

7/28/2005 4:05:10 PM

Neephytes

Seer Stones

Joseph Smith

its all French to me

7/28/2005 4:05:47 PM

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" If giants did in fact exist and were intelligent enough to interact with humans as the bible claims, then why weren't they intelligent enough to survive climate change like humans did? If they were larger than humans, than why were humans able to kill them off?"

had you bothered to do any research, you'd realize taht these giant ape men did not exist at the same time as humans.

[Edited on July 28, 2005 at 4:09 PM. Reason : .]

7/28/2005 4:08:44 PM

I thought Jason was being unfair to you at first, Mr. Joshua, but now I've changed my mind.

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"If giants did in fact exist and were intelligent enough to interact with humans as the bible claims, then why weren't they intelligent enough to survive climate change like humans did?"

Because—going by the Bible—God didn't warn them about the fucking Deluge.

7/28/2005 4:09:15 PM

it doesn't make sense to me that they would have the same numbers as homo sapiens, most likely less.

if the ratio is right, it doesn't matter how strong or intelligent the giants were.

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"Indians were killed off by disease, destruction of their food supply, superior firepower, and various other reasons."

Are you saying that this could only happen once to them? Can't homo sapiens target food supplies or carry infectious diseases that the giants' immune systems could not handle? Can't the humans' numbers equal the colonists' superior firepower?

[Edited on July 28, 2005 at 4:11 PM. Reason : nutsmackr made that easy]

7/28/2005 4:10:19 PM

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"If giants did in fact exist and were intelligent enough to interact with humans as the bible claims, then why weren't they intelligent enough to survive climate change like humans did?"

When the fuck did I start talking about the Bible? I'm talking about verifiable existance through artifacts and fossils

7/28/2005 4:12:47 PM

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"Because—going by the Bible—God didn't warn them about the fucking Deluge."

Wasn't the David and Goliath thing after the fucking Deluge? I might be wrong.

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"Are you saying that this could only happen once to them?"

No, I'm saying that Indians weren't hunted down like Dodos.

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"When the fuck did I start talking about the Bible? I'm talking about verifiable existance through artifacts and fossils"

Thats what I was talking about when I asked how they became extinct. I was curious as to how the bible explained the current lack of giants. You're the one who went down the giant ape path.

7/28/2005 4:21:20 PM